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Sam Smith feels as much of a man as a woman because he likes wearing high heels and make-up

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Micaela64 Wed 25-Oct-17 10:45:38

I try to keep an open mind, but sorry, how does he know what it feels like to be a woman if he's never been one? He says he feels as much as a woman as a man because he likes wearing heels, make-up and fur coats... confused Is that all he thinks being a woman comes down to? These people say they're breaking down boundaries but it seems to me they're just reinforcing old stereotypes. Gender fluid sorts can be the most sexist people in how they express their male or female identities.

Wearing heels and make-up doesn't make you somewhat a woman... You're a camp gay man, get over it. grin

SpookghosttiAndMeatboos Wed 25-Oct-17 10:48:06

Yep, pretty sure that liking wearing heels, make-up and fur coats makes you ... a person who likes wearing heels, make-up and fur coats..

Well, unless you're only wearing them because they're stereotypically feminine, and you're using them as a proxy so you can pretend to be a woman to feel sexy, then that's a fetish.

LunarGirl Wed 25-Oct-17 10:49:32

By that statement, I must not be a woman because I enjoy wearing none of those things.

ShowOfHands Wed 25-Oct-17 10:53:01

It's quite hard of thinking but common. I wear trousers a lot. I don't feel like a man. I'm dressing up as Nymphadora Tonks on Saturday. I don't feel like a witch.

Reducing being a woman down to clothes choices is spectacularly dense.

ShowOfHands Wed 25-Oct-17 10:54:19

Unless Sam Smith has a uterus, in which case I take it all back.

Gileswithachainsaw Wed 25-Oct-17 10:58:48

Gotta love how woman Is now a costume you can just put on. Is it for sake in Tesco alongside all the witches and cats?

If I walked into the vets dressed as a cat asking to be neutered and microchiped id be leaving in a straight jacket

AssassinatedBeauty Wed 25-Oct-17 11:04:26

He doesn't know what to label it... well it's just having a personality isn't it? He likes make up, heels and fur coats (let's hope he means fake fur) - that's great for him, all power to his elbow. It has precisely zero to do with being a woman. He feels like a man who likes make up/heels/fur coats, no more no less.

BriechonCheese Wed 25-Oct-17 11:05:55

Don't you know girls and women can be anything they want to be and wear anything they want - within a very narrow band, otherwise they're a man or a boy.

MyWhatICallNameChange Wed 25-Oct-17 11:08:18

Well that makes me a man then as I wear trousers, flat shoes and no make up.

How come you never hear women saying that? hmm

WeatherDependent Wed 25-Oct-17 11:09:26

I must be a man then as I like wearing jeans and scratching my bum wink

Try been bent over double with monthly period cramps then tell me you’re a woman you pillock!

NoLoveofMine Wed 25-Oct-17 11:16:40

Yep, pretty sure that liking wearing heels, make-up and fur coats makes you ... a person who likes wearing heels, make-up and fur coats..

Exactly. None of this is anything to do with being a woman and I find the idea it is belittling to say the least. Men should be able to wear heels, makeup and so on as much as they like but it doesn't make them women, in the wrong body or anything else. They're just men who want to wear heels and makeup. Many women and girls don't want to just as many do. This heavily gendering such things to the extent someone claims wanting to wear them is "feeling like a woman" is so regressive and patronising.

nauticant Wed 25-Oct-17 11:18:28

For some reason this brings to mind the phrase "all fur coat and no knickers".

headinhands Wed 25-Oct-17 11:22:12

I think what he means is he feels like he looks like what societies stereotype of a woman is.

I’m sat here in my jammies with greasy hair and a whiff of BO. Am I not allowed to feel like a woman atm?

Oliversmumsarmy Wed 25-Oct-17 11:29:11

I don't own any of these items. I do own and wear steel toe cap boots jeans, donkey jacket and a hard hat.

Now if he said he felt like a woman wearing that lot I might take him a little more seriously.

MrsJayy Wed 25-Oct-17 11:29:59

I am bent over in pain loosing blood and clots lying on the couch feeling like a greasy mess not a heel or fur coat in sight give it a try Sam it is a total hoot 😕

hingedspeculum Wed 25-Oct-17 11:30:25

He's not aware of the concept of effeminacy and the historic interlinking of it to homophobia, then.

MoistCantaloupe Wed 25-Oct-17 11:36:48

What makes him feel like a woman and not feel like a drag queen.
I don't even own a pair of heels.

MightyMikey Wed 25-Oct-17 12:03:09

I've been thinking about this, "femme" men feeling like women because they like stereotypical "femme" things that really don't equate to real life womanhood.
What I'm seeing to some extent is that some men are screaming to escape masculinity, they also don't want to be imprisoned by gender stereotypes. But instead of fighting for their right to express themselves as they like, they swop one gender performance for another.
Perhaps GNC men (gay or otherwise) should grow up and take responsibility like women did with the Woman's Movement and shake the patriarchy into allowing them to be free from their strict rules on how men should act. Women have (and still are) fighting the good fight for an end to this stupidity, to be seen as a human and not a performance/object.

What they shouldn't do is fall into the trap that the easiest thing is to say "I'm a woman because - insert whatever ridiculous femme performance".
Come on femme men fight for your right to be a man - no matter how soft/gentle, or badly you perform masculinity, you are men, just as any other man. To say you are women is cowardly and dishonest and trampling over the bodies of women who have campaigned so hard for equality.

Creatureofthenight Wed 25-Oct-17 12:07:38

It'll be so nice when we reach a place where a man - any man - can wear high heels without having to excuse it by saying he feels like a woman.

Lexilooo Wed 25-Oct-17 12:16:34

Whatever happened to the terms "cross dresser", "transvestite" and "drag queen"? Surely these are more appropriate?

Gileswithachainsaw Wed 25-Oct-17 12:18:54

That it would although given the favt that would deeply harm those who went as far as the surgery and screw over anyone who uses it to invade women's spaces it won't ever happen.

Far to many people would be forced to publically admit they lied, apologize and probably financially compensate

BelligerentGardenPixies Wed 25-Oct-17 12:26:31

Applauds MightyMike.

I couldn't wear heels even if I wanted to due to a foot issue, I hate fur and I'm too bone idle to wear make up except for special occasions.

I did grow four people in my uterus though but it's so hard these to days to know if you're a man or a women (according to the likes of Sam). It's a shame these words don't have a definition anymore.

Ekphrasis Wed 25-Oct-17 12:38:55

Yeah. Just like when I put a white sheet on I really feel as much like a living person as I do a ghost.

No love you’re playing dressy ups.

Ekphrasis Wed 25-Oct-17 12:40:58

It'll be so nice when we reach a place where a man - any man - can wear high heels without having to excuse it by saying he feels like a woman.

I think we passed it. Bowie and Prince did quite happily. Shame the world is regressing.

ArbitraryName Wed 25-Oct-17 12:40:59

It really irritates and saddens me that this kind of thing is presented as the cutting edge of progressive thought.

I think the terms cross-dresser of transvestite aren’t helpful because they still insist on crossing a (supposedly) real gender boundary, and the terms suggest that this is something out of the ordinary.

It would be much better if we could simply accept that there is nothing about wearing heels and dresses that is incompatible with being a man. If we want to ‘increase the bandwidth of gender’, let’s start by ditching the stereotypes and considering all the different things one can do and still be a man.

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