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UK Establishment Closes Ranks as Organised Child Sex Abuse Network Leads Back to No. 10

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ttosca Fri 04-Jul-14 19:19:34

For decades, vulnerable children from care homes and other institutions were booked to order by rich and powerful men, for sex. This is the allegation put forward in ‘Nightmares at Elm Guest House’, in an interview with Chris Fay of the National Association for Young People in Care. As another significant member of the Conservative party is about to be outed this weekend, we take a closer look at these allegations and ask: how much longer can the UK establishment keep this story suppressed?

settingsitting Fri 04-Jul-14 19:47:59

You already have a thread about this.

CFSKate Sat 05-Jul-14 07:27:04

ICanHearYou Sat 05-Jul-14 07:32:59


CFSKate Sat 05-Jul-14 08:27:51

200 police on phone hacking case
30 police on Yewtree (celebs)
7 on Fernbridge (MPs/VIP child abuse)

"Mr Cameron said he understood mounting concerns about what happened to the dossier handed over to then Home Secretary Leon Brittan by Tory MP Geoffrey Dickens in 1983.

He said: ‘That’s why I’ve asked the permanent secretary at the Home Office [Mark Sedwill] to do everything he can to find answers to all of these questions and to make sure we can reassure people about these events.’"

What if the answers are found, and they are not reassuring?

CFSKate Sat 05-Jul-14 11:47:22

staverton Sun 06-Jul-14 00:12:53

This is huge!! The former Home Secretary accused of child rape. Why is there not more discussion on MN?

AnyaKnowIt Sun 06-Jul-14 00:21:08

He was questioned under caution last month [shocked]

AuntieStella Sun 06-Jul-14 00:27:29

There has probably been no discussion as the news is breaking only now.

Avoiding to the BBC article on this, a man was interviewed in connexion with an allegation of rape of a woman over the age of 18 in 1967. It's not clear when she went to the police.

Various newspapers are naming the man (who was not an MP in 1967) but it seems the police haven't named him.

Wannabestepfordwife Sun 06-Jul-14 07:07:41

Fantastic article by Simon Danczuk names are beginning to leak out and I really don't think he will stop pushing until all is uncovered

gatofeliz Sun 06-Jul-14 07:27:40

Lets hope that the true horror and extent of these crimes are now thrown into the mainstream media and those responsible are held to account so the victims that have survived get some sort of justice.

Does anyone know what has happened to the young American journalist who finally got access to Jersey?

AuntieStella Sun 06-Jul-14 07:45:07

Nothing 'happened' to the journalist and the visa ban expired some time ago.

CFSKate Sun 06-Jul-14 08:13:49

Tory grandee Leon Brittan insists missing dossier on VIP paedophiles was handled in "normal" way

114 secret files on paedophile cases missing, admits Government

Is that the "normal way" then?

AuntieStella Sun 06-Jul-14 08:26:07

Yes, it's common enough to be "normal"

When something can be conspiracy or cock up, it's almost invariable cock up.

And the amount of stuff that has been lost (in all sorts of departments) at times like moves to a new building and transfer of paper records to fiche (later scanned) or computer based systems is huge.

What we don't know is what sort of instruction the secretary of state was issuing. Was it "you look in to this" (just to get it off his desk, because it wasn't apparently important enough), or a genuine instruction to investigate. Or a Sir Humphrey moment where you say something that is actually beyond reproach, but leads inevitably to long grass.

The registry procedures and eventual filing could vary depending on which of those (or other possibilities I've missed) it might have been.

I hope investigators are looking closely at where the document went next, and which officials were involved. Even closely held documents would have been seen by a number of people and all their recollections need to be checked.

staverton Sun 06-Jul-14 09:54:26

This is just the tip of the iceberg.
Spotlight on abuse blog is well worth a read.

staverton Sun 06-Jul-14 09:56:53

I'm sure there are monumental cock ups. But the loss of these files were not one. They were destroyed. It will all come out (I hope!!)

claig Sun 06-Jul-14 10:07:53

'When something can be conspiracy or cock up, it's almost invariable cock up.'

That's what they always tell us.
We know they're incompetent, but not that incompetent.

settingsitting Sun 06-Jul-14 11:12:42

Anyone know how he died?

CFSKate Sun 06-Jul-14 11:18:10

There may have been establishment cover-up of child abuse claims to 'protect the system', says Lord Tebbit

That Simon Danczuk article is a must read, and the pictures are interesting too

Tom Watson MP petition:- Petitioning David Cameron and Theresa MayEstablish a national inquiry into allegations of organised child abuse

perfectpeach Sun 06-Jul-14 11:47:32

They weren't lost, they were destroyed or deliberately misplaced. The MPs wife conveniently destroyed the copy the MP kept after he died, and just in case she hadn't I suspect people came looking for it. The MPs son described how they were professionally burgled twice but nothing was taken according to the DM

AuntieStella Sun 06-Jul-14 11:51:34

I've looked at another BBC article, which says that 527 files are 'potentially' relevant and that 114 of them are missing destroyed or just 'not found' (no idea what the difference between that and just 'missing' might be).

The crux is how rigorous the current enquiry will be. Some of the missing files might turn up. There's no indication about the likely relevance and importance of the unavailable files, nor indeed of the many which are available. Neither is it clear whether the files contain unique material or if individual documents were copied to several files. There's still a lot of material to work on. If the located files contain most or all of the key information, then it will be possible to reconstruct the chain of events (and identify whether any gaps are suggestive or random).

There was quite a lot of pressure in the 90s and 00s for government departments to reduce their records (to cut costs) and a lot of the rigour on record keeping was lost. This sort of muddle was a a risk in that policy.

As long as the investigation team is competent, has broad TORs and full access to all material they request then it remains possible that they will nail what went on. Anyone know when they expect to report? For I think that's the key thing.

AnyaKnowIt Sun 06-Jul-14 11:52:34

So we are to believe that when brittan when he said he knew nothing about it. Then that the files were passed on but heard nothing back. Now 114 files are missing and we are suppose to believe that its a cock up?

AuntieStella Sun 06-Jul-14 11:58:17

Personally, I'm reserving judgement until the investigation has reported.

The actual files themselves may or may not be relevant as much hangs on what information is in the located ones. I hope the investigation team will be competent.

claig Sun 06-Jul-14 17:03:24

Wannbestepfordwife and CFSKate recommended reading Simon Danczuk's article in the Daily Mail. I have just read it and it is staggering.

claig Sun 06-Jul-14 17:05:38

About £100 million was spent on the hacking trial. I hope more is spent on what went on over all this. This is so shocking, it beggars belief.

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