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TTC Thread #3

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Daffodil21 · 15/08/2020 12:15

Continuing the previous thread:


TTC Thread #2 www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/3941503-ttc-thread-2

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Aokbaby · 15/08/2020 12:53

Hi everyone just keeping my place! Hope everyone is keeping well. I'm on another thred and a lovely lady got her bfp after trying soya isoflavones for one cycle,so think I'm going to try that next cycle. Baby dust to all 💕 x

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Aokbaby · 15/08/2020 12:53

Thanks for setting up @Daffodil21 x

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Daffodil21 · 15/08/2020 13:33

Thanks @Aokbaby I have never even heard of that but doing some research now, and it does look promising. I found a really useful post on another thread so I'll copy and paste it below if anyone else is interested

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Daffodil21 · 15/08/2020 13:34

Copy and pasted from another thread:


Soya Isoflavones are derived from soya beans. They have been dubbed “the natural Clomid,”
As they work in pretty much an identical manner.
Just like Clomid; Soya Isoflavones work by tricking your body into thinking its low on oestrogen. Your body then kick starts production of FSH (Follicle-stimulating hormone) followed by LH (Luteinizing hormone) Which are both necessary to release Healthy Eggs during ovulation.
FSH is released at the start of the menstrual cycle; it stimulates the growth of an immature egg into a fully matured egg. When the egg has matured your body then releases a surge of LH. LH is the hormone that tells the ovary to release the egg.

WHEN?
You take Soy Isoflavones, like Clomid, on either CD 1-5 , 2-6, 3-7 , 4-8 or 5-9.
If you take soy Isoflavones during the later time bracket, for example CD5-9, you shall strengthen the egg that has already started growing producing a healthier egg. The earlier in your cycle you take It, the higher your chance of releasing multiple eggs but these eggs will not be as mature as the eggs grown from taking Soya later.
A lot of women will choose the middle cycle (3 -7) allowing time for a strong and healthy egg to develop without erasing the chance of a second egg being developed and released.

1-5 = you produce more eggs, and ovulate sooner, with a stronger ovulation.

2-6 = you produce more eggs that usual, but not as many as taking it 1-5. Eggs may be more mature, and ovulation will be slightly more strong than 1-5.

3-7 = The best of both worlds, a few more eggs, and all eggs will be strong & mature, and ovulation will be alot stronger than 1-5.

4-8 = No more eggs will be produced, but the ones already there, will be matured alot more than usual, and ovulation will be very strong. Ovulation may only be brought forward a teeny bit.

5-9 = You'll have one very mature strong egg, from the ones you already produced on your own. Ovulation will either happen when it usually does, or a few days later, but your egg will be of great quality.

DOSE?
The dose is really down to you but you should always use the lowest amount that works for you.
With Clomid the starting dose is 100mg. Soya Isoflavones are said to be half the strength of Clomid, so it makes sense for the starting dose to be 100mg.
The trouble with 100mg of soya is that the capsules tend to come as 40mg. So you have a choice of starting at 80mg.
Some women change the dose on different days. So they may start at 120mg for the first 3 days then give an extra boost for the last 2 days with 160mg.

As I have said though, use the lowest dose possible for yourself. If you ovulate using 120mg/day stick to that for a few cycles. GIVE IT A CHANCE. It is said that it takes 3months to get the full benefits of what you are taking. NEVER EXCEED 200mg/day.

OTHER BENEFITS?
The following potential health benefits are attributed to Isoflavones:
Reduce heart disease risk
Protect against prostate problems
improve bone health
Reduce cancer risk

SIDE EFFECTS?
As with any medication, taking Soya Isoflavones may cause side effects such as:
Nausea
Headaches
Dizziness
Hot flushes
Night sweats
Cramping
Diarrhoea
Lack of fertile cm
Thrush
Obviously the higher the dose you take the higher your chance of experiencing side effects.

DO NOT TAKE SOYA ISOFLAVONES WITHOUT CONSULTING A DOCTOR IF YOU HAVE ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:
Breast cancer, hepatic disease, prostate cancer, kidney disease, taking hormone treatments, thyroid disease, and allergies to soy, peanuts or other legumes.
Soy Isoflavones should not be taken while breastfeeding or pregnant.
Soy Isoflavones may interact with the following medications; androstenedione, antibiotics, clomiphene, DHEA, contraceptives and other female hormones, finasteride, raloxifene, red clover, tamoxifen, testosterone and other male hormones, thyroid hormones, and toremifene.
NOTE: Just like Clomid, Soya Isoflavones may not help some women at all!
Although research carried out on FF has shown that 77% of women taking Soya Isoflavones on the stated days at the stated doses, got there BFP on their first cycle taking them!

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Bam27 · 15/08/2020 14:05

@Daffodil21 thanks for crating the new thread 😁 glad to see you got your static smiley, finally! Will you be able to have your progesterone test done this cycle now?

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Welliedays · 15/08/2020 14:24

I'm on another thread and there's a girl trying the soy for the firsr time this cycle! I've bought some incase I don't get lucky this time. You can get them in tesco - tesco own make just ignore the fact they say menopause on them!

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Daffodil21 · 15/08/2020 14:43

I've just read through almost an entire 600 post thread on the soy thing and I don't think I'm going to try it. A woman's doctor on there was concerned that she had taken it, and when she had an early scan there was just an empty sac. The midwife strongly advised against taking it, too

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Aokbaby · 15/08/2020 15:14

Oh really @Daffodil21 I haven't done any research into soya at all myself, so thanks for reading. It's so hard to know what to do, for every person something has worked for there's another person saying do not try, complete confusion🙈🙈

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Bramleyapples13 · 15/08/2020 21:06

There's a fair number in the TWW now 😂 if the soy affects CM that won't help me as that's a massive natural sign for me 😒 @Daffodil21 you should have been within the window if you DTD last night?

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Welliedays · 16/08/2020 07:59

I TESTED!!

(I think it's pink) but please don't say congrats yet, I'm too scared it will go wrong again! I only tested because last night I convinced myself I was making up symptoms (especially after that stupid negative) so I wanted to so I could mentally prepare for AF arriving. Still not going to count her out, but at least I know I'm not making up my symptoms!

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Aokbaby · 16/08/2020 09:13

@Welliedays I can definitely see a second line, eeek!! You said no congratulations so Fingers crossed 🤞x

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Welliedays · 16/08/2020 09:19

Thank you @aokbaby, I really really hope it sticks this time!!

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Aokbaby · 16/08/2020 09:25

Me too, can I ask what symptoms you were experiencing? 💕

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Bam27 · 16/08/2020 09:29

@WellieDays That's a clear second line there 😁 How many days PO are you?

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Aokbaby · 16/08/2020 09:31

Sorry forgot to tag @Welliedays 🙈

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Daffodil21 · 16/08/2020 09:38

@Bramleyapples13 we didn't dtd the night before the static, but we did yesterday morning after I got it. Then I stupidly told DH about the static and bam. Too much pressure so last night wasn't a 'success' 🙈 I'm not doing OPKs next month though

@Welliedays I see a line too! Keep us posted! When are you next testing? How many DPO are you?? So exciting!

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Welliedays · 16/08/2020 09:44

@Bam27thank you 😘 I'm not totally sure, possibly 11, but I don't track, I just use flo as a rough guide. I'm cd24 today and AF due cd27. I only tested as I had the spotting on Thursday, if not I'd have waited until the day AF is due.

@aokbaby symptoms are abit hit and miss but this past week I've had sore boobs, mainly my nipples (and most noticeable when running down the stairs and more recently when I hug my husband and they get squished 😂), massive increase in hunger - I've been eating chocolate bars like they're going out of fashion, definitely an increase in toilet trips - I had a pint of alcohol free cider last night and I went to the loo 3 times while drinking it 🙈, light headed when I stand up too quickly, extreme tiredness.. I've been going to bed an hour earlier than usual and yesterday I had an afternoon nap which is not like me at all, I also can't stop yawning! I have also been waking up early (also not like me 😂) and been having the most weird, really vivid dreams. The most telling sign was what I am now sure was implantation spotting on Thursday and since then a lot of quite milky, wet CM which is not usual for me at all (I don't track CM, but I know when I see something unusual, if they makes sense). I had some mild cramping Thursday/Friday too. I think that's the main things anyway... I don't really 'feel' it this time (I did with my chemical) but I'm maybe trying not to!!

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Welliedays · 16/08/2020 09:45

@daffodil21 I think I' about 11dpo but I actually have no idea. I think I had implantation on Thursday which is why I tested today. I'll probably test again the day AF is due... So Thursday!

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Daffodil21 · 16/08/2020 10:54

@Welliedays I'm so so glad that turned out to be implantation bleeding for you! I hope I wasn't too negative about it at the time, it's just that I've been caught out by that (both ways!) before and it made AF arriving worse.

Keep us posted!

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Welliedays · 16/08/2020 10:59

Ahh don't be apologising @daffodil21 you were only echoing what I was thinking. Tbh I only tested this morning so I could mentally prepare for AF arriving!!

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Daffodil21 · 16/08/2020 11:32

@Welliedays I do that pretty much every month for exact same reason 😂

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Welliedays · 16/08/2020 11:39

@daffodil21 My husband said to wait until tomorrow, but I'd rather have a Sunday to get over it than a Monday 😂

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Bam27 · 16/08/2020 11:42

So I'm 5 days PO now and I just googled "when does implantation occur" 😂 as if I didn't know already, why can't we resist the urge to Google? It really is a bit strange to Google things you know the answer to 🤣

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Welliedays · 16/08/2020 11:50

@bam27 I do exactly the same!!

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Daffodil21 · 16/08/2020 11:53

@Bam27 I do exactly the same too 😂 I'm really going to just try and forget about it this month though (ha) the in-laws are staying from Friday until Wednesday, which should help distract me for some of the tww!

@Welliedays did you tell him you were doing the test or did you just do it? I never tell my DH 😂🙈

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