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to think the public have a right to know that same 'sex' wards are a lie?

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Barracker · 17/10/2018 12:20

"The Policy Commitment relates to gender, not sex"

The NHS told the Government in 2010 that they should be honest and tell the public that hospital wards would actually be segregated by self declared gender, not sex.

The NHS have a set of standards that differentiate between sex and gender. They know exactly what the definition of each is.

The Government insisted they would tell the public it was by sex. They instructed the NHS to use gender to segregate but tell us it was sex.
This was at the insistence of Andrew Lansley, the Health Secretary.

AIBU to think the public have a right to know when we are being deceived?

to think the public have a right to know that same 'sex' wards are a lie?
to think the public have a right to know that same 'sex' wards are a lie?
to think the public have a right to know that same 'sex' wards are a lie?
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LaurieFairyCake · 17/10/2018 12:26

I'm confused. It looks like from the documents it only applies to mixed sex wards - and they are described as 'mixed sex wards' to patients. So patients know they are not on a single sex ward?

If they are actually telling women they are on a 'women's single sex ward' and allowing intact men on the ward then that would be a problem.

MrsBB1982 · 17/10/2018 12:27

This was in 2012 and a new report was due in 2017 so this may not be the most up to date info. I think a lot has changed in that time. In my (admittedly minimal) experience when someone has identified as female but was born male (for example) we tried to find a side room rather than cause them distress by having to broach which bay/ward would be available to them

Barracker · 17/10/2018 12:34

The article linked to in Medium has all the documents.

The policy was a 2010 one called "Eliminating Mixed Sex Accommodation"

The first screengrab is documentary evidence that the policy segregated wards by gender, not sex, and that the data used to monitor and record breaches uses gender not sex.
But that the policy was called 'sex'

The second screengrab is from a review by the NHS Board after the policy had been in play for over a year. Where the NHS yet again question the misleading name of the policy, and once again reference the fact that the DOH insisted 'purposefully' that the policy should use the word sex, not gender.

The third screen grab is quotes from a document the NHS produced defining the differences between sex and gender, for monitoring and safety purposes.

All of the evidence is in the linked article.

Wards have always been segregated by self-declared gender.
What we were told is that they were by sex, and this was never true, and is not rue today.

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Barracker · 17/10/2018 12:35

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/200215/CNO_note_dh_098893.pdf

This is a 2009 document that is very clear that self declared gender must be accommodated instead of sex.

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HardAsSnails · 17/10/2018 12:37

This is really quite horrifying, I would assume that single sex means single sex.

Datun · 17/10/2018 12:46

So they know that mixed sex wards increase sex attacks. They know the public don't like them. They know they're a vote loser.

So they lie about them to deliberately mislead the public?

Its in the news a lot. With the NHS knowing they're lying!

Datun · 17/10/2018 12:46

Lots of people on here work in the NHS. I'm hoping someone might have some more information.

Duckyneedsaclean · 17/10/2018 12:51

I can confirm I was forced to place an intact transwoman on a female bay. I expressed concerns and managed to get the patient moved to a side room the next day.

Also a transman onto a male bay. In this case the other patients were largely young rowdy patients, some with a history of violence and someone had to watch the bay at all times for safeguarding.

Ridiculous.

Binglebong · 17/10/2018 12:58

This is awful. Not surprising but awful.

BeUpStanding · 17/10/2018 13:09

The deliberate deception is horrifying!

EmpressAdultHumanFemale · 17/10/2018 13:10

I wish I was surprised.

ZigZagZebras · 17/10/2018 14:20

That's awful, it's very different having male visitors around in the day when its busy and having a male in the bed next to you overnight when you're feeling vulnerable and possibly not fully dressed if in a gown for drips or able to move alone. In separate rooms is different but with just thin curtains between that usually have gaps at the corners that's awful.

Barracker · 17/10/2018 14:32

and showers, and bathrooms.

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Datun · 17/10/2018 16:24

And just by saying it?

How much more vulnerable can you be than when you're in hospital, ffs.

Dontaskmeihaventaclue · 17/10/2018 16:42

Our local hospital doesn't have single sex wards. All mixed. 4 or 5 bed bays would have either male only or female only, they wouldn't share toilets / bathrooms with opposite sex. There are plenty of single room's on each ward with own bathroom to get around difficult problems like this.

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