Look! I just dropped $1million of bombs on your thread, so stop going on about #Russiagate (Trump cont.)(1000 Posts)
Old thread here: https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2893017-Dont-look-at-that-old-thread-its-FAKE-Look-at-this-one-Trump-cont
Sorry about the rubble and orphans
Caroline O. @RVAwonk 16m16 minutes ago
The # of Syrian refugees has now surpassed 5 million. Airstrikes won't solve this problem. #SyriaStrikes #NoBan
I notice I missed two zeros of the expense I went to bombing the last thread. That'll teach me to start a new thread in a hurry. It was $100million. The kind of fuck up even Trump could spot. Maybe.
Nah. It's just the sort of thing he'd do. Inspired!
Seth AbramsonVerified account @SethAbramson 5h5 hours ago
(THREAD) The evidence that Trump's completely ineffectual military strike on Syria was just an empty political gesture is now overwhelming. pic.twitter.com/hI6sBgIQX1
(1) If he was worried about the Syrian people, he had numerous better options: allow refugees to come to U.S.; humanitarian aid; safe zones. pic.twitter.com/9XL1xvisxH
(2) If he was interested in degrading Syria's air force, he wouldn't have given Putin advance notice. Putin then gave Assad advance notice.
(3) The result of giving both Russia and Syria advance notice of the air strike was that they moved their troops and bunkered their planes.
(4) One indication Putin knew the strike would be no threat to him or Syria is Russian air defenses didn't try to take down any tomahawks.
(5) If Trump was interested in degrading Syria's flight capability in Homs, he wouldn't have left an air strip untouched. But he did that.
(6) GOP Congressmen and retired generals were saying this air strike would be ineffective. Which is why Trump consulted Putin, but not them.
(7) In 2013, Trump saw the same pictures of chemical-weapon devastation and opposed air strikes. So his "conversion narrative" is a farce.
(8) The strikes successfully pushed Russiagate coverage off the front page. We were talking about Nunes and Kushner scandals, now we're not.
(9) Incredibly—bizarrely—Trump somehow struck Syria with 59 Tomahawk missiles without articulating even a single coherent strategic aim.
(10) For all the talk of Trump's Syrian about-face, he's no more committed to ousting Assad than a week ago, when he expressed no interest.
(BONUS) Trump and Putin can now look like they're at odds—helpful for Russiagate—when in fact Trump's ineffective strike didn't harm Putin.
(UPDATE) Reuters confirms Syria has continued launching strikes from the base Trump hit. This was the most ineffectual US strike in decades.
(PICS 1) Notice that the airfield is still usable. Only one of five aircraft shelters was destroyed. "Damaged" shelters mean intact planes. pic.twitter.com/C1ezEitfgz
(PICS 2) Those runways are easy targets for laser-guided missiles. But Reuters confirms at least one is intact enough to launch warplanes. pic.twitter.com/F8MsgeB1V5
(PICS 3) Here are more intact runways and "damaged" shelters with intact planes beneath them. If the Navy wanted these gone, they would be. pic.twitter.com/s9gttrMFnC
(POSTSCRIPT) I intend no criticism of our military here. I think they followed their orders to the letter. Their orders were simply asinine.
Sami Ramadani سامي @SamiRamadani1 24m24 minutes ago
Holding historic 2003 picture of Powell peddling US lies on #Iraq WMD, brave #Bolivia UN envoy warns Security Council of new lies on #Syria pic.twitter.com/CEIOZMBzx2
Don't think the UN is buying it either, perhaps??
Perhaps that's why he was making so free with the missiles - he thought they were a fraction of their real cost.
The HillVerified account @thehill 21m21 minutes ago
#BREAKING: US preparing new sanctions against Syria hill.cm/hy6sxcf
Washington PostVerified account @washingtonpost 24m24 minutes ago
Syrian-American activists say they are skeptical of U.S. attack, intervention wapo.st/2nnk9Ve
Scott DworkinVerified account @funder 1h1 hour ago
Russia & Syria Worked Side By Side At Base That Launched A Chemical Attack
#trumprussia #russiagate #syriastrikes www.buzzfeed.com/mikegiglio/russia-and-syria-worked-side-by-side-at-the-air-base-that …
I cannot understand how anyone could be taken in by this.
And thanks, Mortificado, great thread title. The best
59 cruise missiles with 1000lb bombs and they can't destroy a runway?
Or reinforced hangers?
The thing is - Russia has said that 23 missiles missed. Spicer and Trump have form for not being forthcoming with the truth.
I suppose it was an overwhelming success and no one is allowed to say otherwise.
I imagine there are still some supporting Trump... after all, there are still some stupid people in the US, right? Witness....
NBC NewsVerified account @NBCNews 32m32 minutes ago
NRA employee accidentally shoots self at organization’s headquarters nbcnews.to/2ohyLox
Apparently shot himself while holstering his gun.
Jesus. He's going to start a nuclear war, isn't he? Just to distract us all from Russiagate.
Steve KopackVerified account @SteveKopack 22s22 seconds ago
NBC EXCLUSIVE: Trump’s Options for North Korea Include Placing Nukes in South Korea www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-s-options-north-korea-include-placing-nukes-south-korea-n743571?cid=eml_nbn_20170407 …
Oh Ginger, that NRA story is priceless!
I read on the Twitter feed that apparently Tomahawks are not ideal for pitting up a runway. But obviously that from media, not military sources.
George EatonVerified account @georgeeaton 43s44 seconds ago
Ed Miliband says he doesn't regret decision to oppose intervention in Syria during Last Leg appearance.
Interesting. Ed Miliband is against the strike. Tim Fallon and May support it. I've not seen Corbyn's take on it.
Mort Yeah - I had to chuckle quietly so I didn't wake the dcs.
Charles P. PierceVerified account @CharlesPPierce 14m14 minutes ago
Washington is void of any sense of restraint www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a54387/trump-syria-strike/ …
It was during firearms training too. 😂
If Trump cared about Syrian children, then he needs to do far more than this. Syrian children will continue to die and the war is not going away.
Nancy Youssef, نانسى
BuzzFeed's senior national security correspondent
Why no pockmarks in al-Shayrat runways? DoD says each one wld have cost $1.5 mil per Tomahawk missile and cld be fixed w/dirt, rock in days
Carl Prine @CarlPrinetweets
Military affairs reporter, San Diego Union-Tribune
1h1 hour ago
Replying to ***@nancyayoussef*****
Why would you spend $1.4 million for a TLAM strike on a runway when it can be fixed in 20 minutes with $30 worth of hot patch?
Chicago Mike 📎
Replying to ***@nancyayoussef*****
It was Kabuki Theater had Trump wanted to do real damage he would have used B-2's & J-sow or Bunker Busters to damage runways.
Pursuant to Protocol @NiceGuy2all 2h2 hours ago
Replying to ***@nancyayoussef***** @4thClassOfficer
Yep RRR is what it is called. Runway can be repaired within hours.
Graham @granic1962 2h2 hours ago
Replying to ***@nancyayoussef*****
Also, to actually crater the runway they would have to be dropped by aircraft, not ship launched cruise missile I believe.
Carl Prine @CarlPrinetweets 1h1 hour ago
Exactly. There are no Navy missiles that are the equivalent of the Tarmac shredding munitions that are dropped by parachute.
sose @desertTukut 2m2 minutes ago
Replying to ***@nancyayoussef***** @JaxAlemany
So instead we spent $200 mil on 58 tomahawks that did nothing
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