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Look! I just dropped $1million of bombs on your thread, so stop going on about #Russiagate (Trump cont.)

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illegitimateMortificadospawn Fri 07-Apr-17 22:01:05

Old thread here: https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2893017-Dont-look-at-that-old-thread-its-FAKE-Look-at-this-one-Trump-cont

Sorry about the rubble and orphans confused

cozietoesie Fri 07-Apr-17 22:03:02

Thanks, illegitimate.

illegitimateMortificadospawn Fri 07-Apr-17 22:03:03

Working linky

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2893017-Dont-look-at-that-old-thread-its-FAKE-Look-at-this-one-Trump-cont

GingerIvy Fri 07-Apr-17 22:03:10

wow New thread already. Thanks, Mort

GingerIvy Fri 07-Apr-17 22:03:36

Caroline O.‏ @RVAwonk 16m16 minutes ago
The # of Syrian refugees has now surpassed 5 million. Airstrikes won't solve this problem. #SyriaStrikes #NoBan
www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/syrian-refugees-unhcr-report_us_58dcd05fe4b0e6ac70926ca5?ncid=engmodushpmg00000004

illegitimateMortificadospawn Fri 07-Apr-17 22:06:28

I notice I missed two zeros of the expense I went to bombing the last thread. That'll teach me to start a new thread in a hurry. It was $100million. The kind of fuck up even Trump could spot. Maybe.

cozietoesie Fri 07-Apr-17 22:08:22

Nah. It's just the sort of thing he'd do. Inspired! grin

GingerIvy Fri 07-Apr-17 22:09:27

Seth Abramson‏Verified account @SethAbramson 5h5 hours ago
(THREAD) The evidence that Trump's completely ineffectual military strike on Syria was just an empty political gesture is now overwhelming. pic.twitter.com/hI6sBgIQX1

(1) If he was worried about the Syrian people, he had numerous better options: allow refugees to come to U.S.; humanitarian aid; safe zones. pic.twitter.com/9XL1xvisxH

(2) If he was interested in degrading Syria's air force, he wouldn't have given Putin advance notice. Putin then gave Assad advance notice.

(3) The result of giving both Russia and Syria advance notice of the air strike was that they moved their troops and bunkered their planes.

(4) One indication Putin knew the strike would be no threat to him or Syria is Russian air defenses didn't try to take down any tomahawks.

(5) If Trump was interested in degrading Syria's flight capability in Homs, he wouldn't have left an air strip untouched. But he did that.

(6) GOP Congressmen and retired generals were saying this air strike would be ineffective. Which is why Trump consulted Putin, but not them.

(7) In 2013, Trump saw the same pictures of chemical-weapon devastation and opposed air strikes. So his "conversion narrative" is a farce.

(8) The strikes successfully pushed Russiagate coverage off the front page. We were talking about Nunes and Kushner scandals, now we're not.

(9) Incredibly—bizarrely—Trump somehow struck Syria with 59 Tomahawk missiles without articulating even a single coherent strategic aim.

(10) For all the talk of Trump's Syrian about-face, he's no more committed to ousting Assad than a week ago, when he expressed no interest.

(BONUS) Trump and Putin can now look like they're at odds—helpful for Russiagate—when in fact Trump's ineffective strike didn't harm Putin.

(UPDATE) Reuters confirms Syria has continued launching strikes from the base Trump hit. This was the most ineffectual US strike in decades.

(PICS 1) Notice that the airfield is still usable. Only one of five aircraft shelters was destroyed. "Damaged" shelters mean intact planes. pic.twitter.com/C1ezEitfgz

(PICS 2) Those runways are easy targets for laser-guided missiles. But Reuters confirms at least one is intact enough to launch warplanes. pic.twitter.com/F8MsgeB1V5

(PICS 3) Here are more intact runways and "damaged" shelters with intact planes beneath them. If the Navy wanted these gone, they would be. pic.twitter.com/s9gttrMFnC

(POSTSCRIPT) I intend no criticism of our military here. I think they followed their orders to the letter. Their orders were simply asinine.

GingerIvy Fri 07-Apr-17 22:10:39

Sami Ramadani سامي‏ @SamiRamadani1 24m24 minutes ago
Holding historic 2003 picture of Powell peddling US lies on #Iraq WMD, brave #Bolivia UN envoy warns Security Council of new lies on #Syria pic.twitter.com/CEIOZMBzx2

Don't think the UN is buying it either, perhaps??

illegitimateMortificadospawn Fri 07-Apr-17 22:10:53

Perhaps that's why he was making so free with the missiles - he thought they were a fraction of their real cost.

GingerIvy Fri 07-Apr-17 22:11:15

The Hill‏Verified account @thehill 21m21 minutes ago
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#BREAKING: US preparing new sanctions against Syria hill.cm/hy6sxcf

GingerIvy Fri 07-Apr-17 22:12:22

Washington Post‏Verified account @washingtonpost 24m24 minutes ago
Syrian-American activists say they are skeptical of U.S. attack, intervention wapo.st/2nnk9Ve

GingerIvy Fri 07-Apr-17 22:14:50

Scott Dworkin‏Verified account @funder 1h1 hour ago
Russia & Syria Worked Side By Side At Base That Launched A Chemical Attack

#trumprussia #russiagate #syriastrikes www.buzzfeed.com/mikegiglio/russia-and-syria-worked-side-by-side-at-the-air-base-that

BoreOfWhabylon Fri 07-Apr-17 22:15:43

I cannot understand how anyone could be taken in by this.

And thanks, Mortificado, great thread title. The best

Orlantina Fri 07-Apr-17 22:16:18

59 cruise missiles with 1000lb bombs and they can't destroy a runway?
Or reinforced hangers?

The thing is - Russia has said that 23 missiles missed. Spicer and Trump have form for not being forthcoming with the truth.

I suppose it was an overwhelming success and no one is allowed to say otherwise.

GingerIvy Fri 07-Apr-17 22:18:24

I imagine there are still some supporting Trump... after all, there are still some stupid people in the US, right? Witness....

NBC News‏Verified account @NBCNews 32m32 minutes ago
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NRA employee accidentally shoots self at organization’s headquarters nbcnews.to/2ohyLox

Apparently shot himself while holstering his gun. hmm

GingerIvy Fri 07-Apr-17 22:21:08

Jesus. He's going to start a nuclear war, isn't he? Just to distract us all from Russiagate.

Steve Kopack‏Verified account @SteveKopack 22s22 seconds ago
NBC EXCLUSIVE: Trump’s Options for North Korea Include Placing Nukes in South Korea www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-s-options-north-korea-include-placing-nukes-south-korea-n743571?cid=eml_nbn_20170407

illegitimateMortificadospawn Fri 07-Apr-17 22:22:18

Oh Ginger, that NRA story is priceless!

GingerIvy Fri 07-Apr-17 22:22:23

I read on the Twitter feed that apparently Tomahawks are not ideal for pitting up a runway. But obviously that from media, not military sources.

GingerIvy Fri 07-Apr-17 22:23:20

George Eaton‏Verified account @georgeeaton 43s44 seconds ago
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Ed Miliband says he doesn't regret decision to oppose intervention in Syria during Last Leg appearance.

Interesting. Ed Miliband is against the strike. Tim Fallon and May support it. I've not seen Corbyn's take on it.

GingerIvy Fri 07-Apr-17 22:23:46

Mort Yeah - I had to chuckle quietly so I didn't wake the dcs. grin

GingerIvy Fri 07-Apr-17 22:24:25

Charles P. Pierce‏Verified account @CharlesPPierce 14m14 minutes ago
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Washington is void of any sense of restraint www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a54387/trump-syria-strike/

illegitimateMortificadospawn Fri 07-Apr-17 22:26:00

It was during firearms training too. 😂

Orlantina Fri 07-Apr-17 22:26:01

If Trump cared about Syrian children, then he needs to do far more than this. Syrian children will continue to die and the war is not going away.

GingerIvy Fri 07-Apr-17 22:29:34

Nancy Youssef, نانسى‏
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Why no pockmarks in al-Shayrat runways? DoD says each one wld have cost $1.5 mil per Tomahawk missile and cld be fixed w/dirt, rock in days
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Carl Prine‏ @CarlPrinetweets
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Replying to ***@nancyayoussef*****
Why would you spend $1.4 million for a TLAM strike on a runway when it can be fixed in 20 minutes with $30 worth of hot patch?
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It was Kabuki Theater had Trump wanted to do real damage he would have used B-2's & J-sow or Bunker Busters to damage runways.
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Pursuant to Protocol‏ @NiceGuy2all 2h2 hours ago
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Yep RRR is what it is called. Runway can be repaired within hours.
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Graham‏ @granic1962 2h2 hours ago
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Also, to actually crater the runway they would have to be dropped by aircraft, not ship launched cruise missile I believe.
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Carl Prine‏ @CarlPrinetweets 1h1 hour ago
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Exactly. There are no Navy missiles that are the equivalent of the Tarmac shredding munitions that are dropped by parachute.
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sose‏ @desertTukut 2m2 minutes ago
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Replying to ***@nancyayoussef***** @JaxAlemany
So instead we spent $200 mil on 58 tomahawks that did nothing

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