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To think that this woman is a greedy bitch?

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TheHairyDieter Thu 01-Nov-12 05:50:31

Greedy Bitch here

I believe that state handouts should be for people who genuinely need them. There is just not enough money to go around without giving them to people who are well-off. If Child Benefit was means tested, people on low incomes could be given more. That might be enough to get them off the dole and into work.

Honestly, this article had me seething. I hate greed sad

brrbrrwinteriscoming Thu 01-Nov-12 06:05:52

I hate having to give my hard earned money away to scroungers! so yes in my opinion yabu.

safflower Thu 01-Nov-12 06:05:57

How would taking the wealthier womans child benefit away and giving it to a low income person 'be enough to get them off the dole and into work'?

I dont understand. and actually i think yabu.

nellyjelly Thu 01-Nov-12 06:06:46

There is something to be said for a universal benefit for all parents but whilst the Govt is slashing means tested benefits to genuinely poor people, it is not sustainable and I can accept that.

Very ironic that the DM carries this article, given it's hatred of people on benefits as a rule. Clearly benefits are OK if you rich.

Hard to feel sympathy for the woman ini the article.

altinkum Thu 01-Nov-12 06:07:43

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safflower Thu 01-Nov-12 06:13:16

I am still wondering how giving more to those on the 'dole'as the OP says will encourage anyone back into work. Giving more money to stay at home hmm

Expect this thread will kick off big time as the day goes on.

TheHairyDieter Thu 01-Nov-12 06:23:55

I hate having to give my hard earned money away to scroungers!

But isn't she just as much of a 'scrounger' than someone on a lower income?

I am still wondering how giving more to those on the 'dole'as the OP says will encourage anyone back into work.

Because the extra benefit could make the difference between being able to work and pay childcare, rather than be stuck in the benefits trap. So many single parents for instance, would rather be working than on benefits.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 01-Nov-12 06:26:53

Yabu for referring to her as a bitch in your op. Pretty much invalidates what you have to say next. Sorry.

brrbrrwinteriscoming Thu 01-Nov-12 06:27:13

Tad ironic that the op says that she hates 'greed' and that * 'people on low incomes could be given more'* hmm

I am betting that she is one of those low income households that hates the greed from us high earning households!

Inertia Thu 01-Nov-12 06:34:52

The thing that annoys me most about the child benefit cuts is that the government are banging on about how unreasonable it is for poorer families to pay taxes to fund CB for better-off families - which is fair enough, if the money saved was to be passed on to the families that needed it more. However, there is no evidence that this money is actually going to support the less well off - their CB isn't increasing, other vital services and benefits are being cut.

TheHairyDieter Thu 01-Nov-12 06:40:20

I am betting that she is one of those low income households that hates the greed from us high earning households!

No brrbrrwinteriscoming, actually our household income is considerably more than that of the family in the article, and we live overseas at the moment, so no vested interest.

I just happen to think that we should look out for people worse off than ourselves.

brrbrrwinteriscoming Thu 01-Nov-12 06:48:40

well i happen to think that we work hard enough for our money without having to give almost half of it to the bloody gov.

I think that most, not all, people worse off then ourselves should go and get a sodding job and not have children until they can actually afford to do so without needing any type of benefit.

TheHairyDieter Thu 01-Nov-12 06:50:43

brrbrrwinteriscoming, your naivety is breathtaking.

WofflingOn Thu 01-Nov-12 06:51:40

Unusual to have accusations of greed from the other end of the scale, but OIP, YABU. Child benefit was originally designed to give mother's some autonomy from heir husband's income so that they could provide for their children. It is possible to be married to a wealthy man who is very tight-fisted and controlling, and the extra £100 a month paid to the mother can have a real impact.
If CB were means-tested in the future, that is a different scenario. She isn't greedy because she only took what she was entitled to. Not more.

brrbrrwinteriscoming Thu 01-Nov-12 06:52:02

well we are all entitled to our opinions.

WofflingOn Thu 01-Nov-12 06:52:53

Where did that random apostrophe come from? Apologies!

MrsCampbellBlack Thu 01-Nov-12 06:53:35

We'll lose our CB well - but I still think its unfair because of the reason mentioned on here lots, ie, that its not done on household income.

TheHairyDieter Thu 01-Nov-12 06:57:54

WofflingOn, she is greedy for suggesting that CB should not be means-tested.

Definition of greedy: "grasping, rapacious, selfish". I'd say that was a pretty apt description of someone on >100k per year wanting to take even more money from the public purse, at the expense of those less fortunate.

WofflingOn Thu 01-Nov-12 06:59:51

The same arguments are levelled at individuals at the other end of the line.
If you agree with means-testing, do you also agree to CB only being given for the first two children? After that, you pay your own way?

TheHairyDieter Thu 01-Nov-12 07:01:20

I think it's academic, because any shortfall in CB would be made up with other benefits, for those at the bottom of the scale.

WofflingOn Thu 01-Nov-12 07:04:59

For how much longer though? Everything seems up in the air at the moment and the general attitude from government seems unsympathetic towards the low -incomed and unemployed. Their definition of your 'state handouts should be for people who genuinely need them' seems very narrow.

ModernToss Thu 01-Nov-12 07:08:38

This is just the Daily Mail trolling for clicks, as usual (see also Brick et al).

Ignore it.

Greythorne Thu 01-Nov-12 07:09:31

that article is unbelievable

Diddydollydo Thu 01-Nov-12 07:10:45

brrbrrwinteriscoming what about those of use who waited to have children when they could afford them then find themselves redundant and with a husband who has left to be with his OW leaving us with nothing?

SunflowersSmile Thu 01-Nov-12 07:11:03

It should be bases on household income.

However, I feel the cut off point maybe should be round the time people say they can afford to put all CB in accounts/savings for their children rather than 'need' to use it for food/ clothes/ nappies etc. Perhaps these people don't 'need' the benefit.

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