News on 1950s women’s Pension

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Immaculatemisconception Tue 20-Jul-21 14:37:48

Women's state pension: Compensation closer for Waspi campaigners www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57900320

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Immaculatemisconception Tue 20-Jul-21 17:57:42

I for one find it interesting and possibly exciting news.

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korawick12345 Tue 20-Jul-21 18:19:43

TBF i find its hard to get on the side of people who will have a far greater pension entitlement than I ever will and SOME of whom also benefitted from things such as free university education, massive house price inflation etc. Most younger people I know have taken the default position that we expect there will be no pension to speak of by the time we get to that age.

Willowkins Tue 20-Jul-21 18:50:06

Weren't women from the 50s the ones who were paid less, were discriminated against in terms of grammar and university places, were expected to give up jobs if they got married or fell pregnant, weren't allowed bank accounts, or mortgages unless accompanied by a man, couldn't even buy a pint in a pub? Given all that, I think they deserve some compensation.

korawick12345 Tue 20-Jul-21 18:58:55

Willowkins

Weren't women from the 50s the ones who were paid less, were discriminated against in terms of grammar and university places, were expected to give up jobs if they got married or fell pregnant, weren't allowed bank accounts, or mortgages unless accompanied by a man, couldn't even buy a pint in a pub? Given all that, I think they deserve some compensation.

Well my mum was born late 40s and none of those applied! It sounds more like you are thinking of the 30s. Regardless that isn’t the issue in question!

MouseontheLouse Tue 20-Jul-21 19:47:41

No, Willowkins is spot on.

Also, why do younger people keep predicting there will be no state pension when they retire? It's nonsense - stop catastrophising!

TBF i find its hard to get on the side of people who will have a far greater pension entitlement than I ever will and SOME of whom also benefitted from things such as free university education, massive house price inflation etc

The vast majority didn't go to university back then, they left school at 15 and worked. When they became pregnant they didn't get SMP nor were their jobs protected. They didn't get 30 hours free funding for their toddlers.

If an injustice has been done to women you should "get on side" - not make mealy mouthed statements.

Orf1abc Tue 20-Jul-21 19:53:53

To refuse to support the WASPI women because you've got it even worse than them, is a race to the bottom mentality. I support them because they're trying to hold the government to account for maladministration, and that sets a path for current and future injustices that do directly affect us.

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ArseInTheCoOpWindow Tue 20-Jul-21 19:55:34

If an injustice has been done to women you should "get on side" - not make mealy mouthed statements

Exactly

I was born in the early 60’s. Women were expected to marry and be supported by their husbands.

There were no workplace pensions, no childcare support financial or otherwise, no protection against discrimination when pregnant or when sexually harassed. The majority didn’t go to university. It was worse for the women before me who were expected to give up work when they had children.

It really pisses me off when people who have no idea what life was like then make stingy statements.

MildredPuppy Tue 20-Jul-21 19:59:26

My mum was late 40s for her year of birth and the score to get into grammar was higher for her than her brother as there were less places for girls. She left school at 15, She couldnt get a mortgage without her husband or dads signature and she didnt get maternity leave. She wasnt asked toeave on marriage though and she was allowed a bank account just not credit.

GreyhoundG1rl Tue 20-Jul-21 19:59:44

Well my mum was born late 40s and none of those applied! It sounds more like you are thinking of the 30s. Regardless that isn’t the issue in question!
It would have been the sixties before she'd have been doing most of that stuff so your point is irrelevant.

korawick12345 Tue 20-Jul-21 20:04:16

GreyhoundG1rl

*Well my mum was born late 40s and none of those applied! It sounds more like you are thinking of the 30s. Regardless that isn’t the issue in question!*
It would have been the sixties before she'd have been doing most of that stuff so your point is irrelevant.

As were the waspi women, so it’s completely relevant. People are carrying on as if they were all downtrodden 50s housewives when that isn’t accurate. Even the oldest waspi women weren’t 20 until 1970 so the vast majority of them were not having children until after the 75 maternity act etc. I also said some women with regards to university etc but despite the fact that I put it in capitals some op seem unable to read it.

LividLaVidaLoca Tue 20-Jul-21 20:04:29

Mum is affected by this.

As far as she’s concerned it’s outrageous that the government can just refuse to pay her the money she was always promised.

She didn’t know anything about the change until it was too late (not exactly interested in news and not on social media).

MyDcAreMarvel Tue 20-Jul-21 20:05:22

This was known in the 90’s , no personal letters were needed. Waspis still got their pensions young compared to other generations. They also how much lower house prices and could afford to live on one income.
Time to stop being grabby and move on.

MyDcAreMarvel Tue 20-Jul-21 20:05:47

*had

AaronStampler Tue 20-Jul-21 20:06:59

the score to get into grammar was higher for her than her brother

This was partly because because there were more places for boys than girls but also because girls did better on average in the 11+ exam. Still true today!

ArseInTheCoOpWindow Tue 20-Jul-21 20:08:35

Well my mum was born late 40s and none of those applied! It sounds more like you are thinking of the 30s. Regardless that isn’t the issue in question

She must have lived in the future then. The Sex Doscrimination Act in 1975 was a landmark. It allowed women to have their own bank accounts and to get a credit card.

Willowkins Tue 20-Jul-21 20:08:46

Sadly it's true Korawick. Well done your mum if she was one of the 41 thousand women taking their first degree in the 70s and 80s (which is when I am assuming that women born in the 59s would have been eligible) but there is no denying that there were 119 thousand men there at the same time.

SusanBAnthony999 Tue 20-Jul-21 20:09:46

This cohort of women has had a rough deal but I think the prospects of significant financial recompense are vanishingly small given the mess the economy is in with Covid.

MildredPuppy Tue 20-Jul-21 20:10:05

Lots of women had babies aged 20-24 in the 70s.

Whoarethewho Tue 20-Jul-21 20:10:41

They don't deserve a penny the was published in acts of parliament decades before it was enacted. If they can't be bothered to plan appropriately it isn't my issue. They chose to rely on something that was never going to materialize.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow Tue 20-Jul-21 20:10:47

Even the oldest waspi women weren’t 20 until 1970 so the vast majority of them were not having children until after the 75 maternity act etc.

This is such shit The majority had their babies in their late teens and very early 20’s at that time. It shows how you have no idea about life at that time. Later motherhood started in the late 80’s

newnortherner111 Tue 20-Jul-21 20:11:46

Wasn't Jeremy Corbyn slated for supporting their case?

RainingYetAgain Tue 20-Jul-21 20:12:06

Life is so different now. I was born in mid 50s and refused a mortgage as a single woman in 1976 because the Halifax Building Society didn't lend to single women. When I finally got a mortgage with my now DH we were paying 15% interest. In the 4 years between finding a house on my own and with him, the cost of a 3 bed doubled.
Lost out on the state pension but paid for it for over 40 years.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow Tue 20-Jul-21 20:13:59

I was refused a mortgage in 1995 as l was working 4 days a week with no husband to help me. Even though l was warning enough to cover the payments. Part time employees (usually woman ) weren’t allowed mortgages without a second signature.

korawick12345 Tue 20-Jul-21 20:16:34

ArseInTheCoOpWindow

*Even the oldest waspi women weren’t 20 until 1970 so the vast majority of them were not having children until after the 75 maternity act etc.*

This is such shit The majority had their babies in their late teens and very early 20’s at that time. It shows how you have no idea about life at that time. Later motherhood started in the late 80’s

Average age for motherhood in 1970 was 27. Sorry the facts don’t agree with you

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