News on 1950s women’s Pension

[Immaculatemisconception]

Women's state pension: Compensation closer for Waspi campaigners www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57900320

[korawick12345]

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

I was refused a mortgage in 1995 as l was working 4 days a week with no husband to help me. Even though l was warning enough to cover the payments. Part time employees (usually woman ) weren’t allowed mortgages without a second signature.

I think this post just serves to illustrate how fortunate you were with regard to house prices rather than whatever you think you were saying! Not many people now would be able to manage to buy a house on a single part time salary!

[Willowkins]

There is more historical data should you be interested in looking it up but I just wanted to add that it's not history for some people but their life.

[MildredPuppy]

That average age for birth is for women born in 1970 i think. The average age for a first time mum was more 22.

[korawick12345]

No one is saying that women didn’t have a more challenging time in the past but they also benefited as a generation in some ways. Overall I don’t see that they should be compensated for failing to make adequate plans for something that was public knowledge.

[0blio]

I was 21 when I had my DD in the early 70s. And I was sacked just for being pregnant.

But we had it easy in those days

[korawick12345]

@MildredPuppy

That average age for birth is for women born in 1970 i think. The average age for a first time mum was more 22.

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/conceptionandfertilityrates/bulletins/childbearingforwomenbornindifferentyearsenglandandwales/2015

No that was in 1970 so women born in about 1943!

[ArseInTheCoOpWindow]

I think this post just serves to illustrate how fortunate you were with regard to house prices rather than whatever you think you were saying! Not many people now would be able to manage to buy a house on a single part time salary!

Yeah you are so right of course. I was fucking loaded.I had the proceeds from a previous house via divorce which enabled me to buy it.

However, prior to that ex Dh and l couldn’t meet our repayments as interest rates were 15%

But yeah, we had it so easy…🙄Thatcher made sure of that.

[Nat6999]

It wasn't until 1988 that married women were allowed their own tax records, until then their tax information was attached to their husband's record & he had to complete the tax returns.

[MildredPuppy]

I reading that data different than you. To me it says 1 in 5 women born in 1943 had given birth by the age of 20

[korawick12345]

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

I think this post just serves to illustrate how fortunate you were with regard to house prices rather than whatever you think you were saying! Not many people now would be able to manage to buy a house on a single part time salary!

Yeah you are so right of course. I was fucking loaded.I had the proceeds from a previous house via divorce which enabled me to buy it.

However, prior to that ex Dh and l couldn’t meet our repayments as interest rates were 15%

But yeah, we had it so easy…🙄Thatcher made sure of that.

Well if you defaulted on a previous mortgage that’s probably why you couldn’t get a new mortgage rather than the fact you were part time!

None of this is remotely relevant though as no matter how you slice it you can’t argue that housing is not less affordable now than in the past. Anyway as I said in my original post SOME women benefitted from house price increases and free university education no one has suggested that this was universal.

[heyday]

I guess it has been hard on a lot of women. Most of us thought that we would receive our pension at 60 but the age has crept up and up with many of us not entitled to a pension until we reach 67 now.

[korawick12345]

@MildredPuppy

I reading that data different than you. To me it says 1 in 5 women born in 1943 had given birth by the age of 20

Yes so 20% as you would expect with an average some will be above and some below. It does somewhat undermine the pp who stated the vast majority of women had children in their late teens and early 20s. Obviously some did but the average age for a woman to give birth was 27.

[tealappeal]

Whatever happened to female solidarity? Or is that an outdated concept? And why does it have to be a competition about who had it hardest? Every generation has its own challenges.

[MildredPuppy]

@korawick12345 i really think you need to open the spreadsheet.
Fertility rate for women born in1950 aged 20 is 124, aged 25 its 137, aged 30 its 103, aged 35 its 39. Then you need to factor in 1 in 5 were younger than twenty.
There are a lot of women having babies by 25.

[Moooooooooooooooooo]

@GreyhoundG1rl

Sorry the facts don’t agree with you
😂
You mean your selective interpretation of the facts.

Definitely down to interpretation

I’m a 50’s baby. I had my first baby in the 70’s aged 20 during pregnancy and turned 21 by the birth. I was classed as an elderly prima gravida

[korawick12345]

[quote MildredPuppy]@korawick12345 i really think you need to open the spreadsheet.
Fertility rate for women born in1950 aged 20 is 124, aged 25 its 137, aged 30 its 103, aged 35 its 39. Then you need to factor in 1 in 5 were younger than twenty.
There are a lot of women having babies by 25.[/quote]
No one is suggesting that some women weren’t younger but given that we are talking about women born between 1950 and 60 it’s simply not true that they were a generation or group of mothers who had no maternity rights! Like I said I am not saying there weren’t challenges but some of the posts on this thread ARE referencing things that don’t really apply to this cohort

[ArseInTheCoOpWindow]

Well if you defaulted on a previous mortgage that’s probably why you couldn’t get a new mortgage rather than the fact you were part time!

We begged and borrowed from relatives to meet them. The mortgage was declined because l was part time and for no other reason.

[tealappeal]

Having rights and being able to exercise those rights were two different things against a background of sexism and misogyny...

[korawick12345]

@Moooooooooooooooooo
Given that elderly prima gravida was coined in the late 50s to refer to first time mothers over 35, you are definitely speaking complete bollocks

[ArseInTheCoOpWindow]

Yes, l always think Life on Mars summed up the 70’s for women,

Denigrated and marginalised deliberately.

[ArseInTheCoOpWindow]

@Moooooooooooooooooo
Given that elderly prima gravida was coined in the late 50s to refer to first time mothers over 35, you are definitely speaking complete bollocks

I was referred to as one in 1993 age 29.

[CarrieBlue]

The generation that voted for Brexit, who took no notice of information about pension changes. They had it all and consistently pulled the ladder up behind them.

[Viviennemary]

Elderlh prima gravida at 21. Absolute nonsense.

[korawick12345]

[quote ArseInTheCoOpWindow]@Moooooooooooooooooo
Given that elderly prima gravida was coined in the late 50s to refer to first time mothers over 35, you are definitely speaking complete bollocks

I was referred to as one in 1993 age 29.[/quote]
Entirely possible as there have been cut offs as low as 25 in some cases depending on risk, however generally it would be 30 and above. What it wouldn’t be applied is a19/20 year old!

[tealappeal]

@korawick12345 My mother was classed as an older mother at age 31 in 1975, so that doesn't fit with what you've read. Even if that was the official definition, it doesn't reflect what was actually happening at the time.