News on 1950s women’s Pension

[Immaculatemisconception]

Women's state pension: Compensation closer for Waspi campaigners www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57900320

[tealappeal]

For many of the WASPI women who really need this extra payment financially (and no, they're not all rolling in fantastic pension money) this will mean they are less reliant on other benefits. Although I think they should all be entitled to it, as the ombudsman has declared they weren't informed on time, I also wonder if the amount is an issue, could it be means-tested? For example, I know a WASPI woman who is looking after an aging parent and an adult child (with SEN) who would really benefit from the extra payment, but I can imagine there are others who have had final salary pensions, where morally, I understand the need for some sort of closure and acknowledgment of the unfairness, but don't necessarily need the money.

[AimingForSerenity]

@Bythemillpond Why do you think people are lying when they say they never read a newspaper or heard a news bulletin.
Lots of people don’t buy newspapers and don’t watch the news. Plus people didn’t have the internet, phones or computers so you could be in blissful ignorance about a lot of things.
I am in this age group and I can assure you, as others have upthread, it was on the TV/radio and in newspapers and magazines for ages before it happened. It was widely discussed by people we knew and I know at least one friend had advice from the company she worked for. Sadly there will always be some people who claim to have been living under a rock if they think they will get money for it and, personally, I don't think they should be pandered to at the expense of children. Ironic they want female solidarity while they show none to the young

[Bythemillpond]

Of all the pro-WASPI arguments I’ve seen on this thread, this is the bleakest. It assumes that younger women are like you

The ‘thing’ that has ‘happened’ to you has already happened to younger women - we have to wait until at least 66 to get state pension and our pension age is likely to rise again under the most recent set of proposals - but we’re not crying about injustice, pretending we never read a newspaper or listened to a news bulletin and demanding that our state pension age is rolled back to 60. Nor do I expect to do so in the future if benefits are changed to my detriment. Why? Because younger people, who have it worse than me in many ways, would have to pay for it

What do you mean like me?
I am too young to be a WASPI woman
Why assume it is just about moving the date of when you can retire.
Anything could happen and if the government think you are not going to fight because of some form of altruism then you leave yourself open to be walked all over.

Why do you think people are lying when they say they never read a newspaper or heard a news bulletin.
Lots of people don’t buy newspapers and don’t watch the news. Plus people didn’t have the internet, phones or computers so you could be in blissful ignorance about a lot of things.

[Iamthewombat]

Anything could happen and you could end up grateful that there is a precedent in place.

Of all the pro-WASPI arguments I’ve seen on this thread, this is the bleakest. It assumes that younger women are like you.

The ‘thing’ that has ‘happened’ to you has already happened to younger women - we have to wait until at least 66 to get state pension and our pension age is likely to rise again under the most recent set of proposals - but we’re not crying about injustice, pretending we never read a newspaper or listened to a news bulletin and demanding that our state pension age is rolled back to 60. Nor do I expect to do so in the future if benefits are changed to my detriment. Why? Because younger people, who have it worse than me in many ways, would have to pay for it.

[Iamthewombat]

Why are you get people being asked to meet the cost?

Do you mean ‘why are younger people being asked to meet the cost’?

Where do you think the billions of compensation you are requesting will come from? Down the back of Rishi Sunak’s sofa? It will come from general taxation, and the bulk will be drawn from increasing income taxes, including NI.

If you and the other WASPI women have stoped working, you won’t be paying much tax, will you? So the burden will have to fall on younger generations.

[IvorHughJarrs]

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

There seems to be a lack of awareness from this campaign that the money would have to come from somewhere and that would be from younger people rather than a mythical money tree

When National Insurance was set up, it was always the case that younger supported older. But it’s cyclical, young people will support you when you’re older. That’s how it’s meant to work.

The problem with this system is that it assumes the situation would remain as it was at the time of setting up when people died relatively young and had more children. Higher life expectancy and falling birth rates mean this is no longer sustainable
I still think this campaign is based, solely, on greed.

[ArseInTheCoOpWindow]

Funding

[ArseInTheCoOpWindow]

Why are you get people being asked to meet the cost?

Dental charges were introduced to pay for Britain’s role in the Korean War. We’re still finding that now judging by the charges.

[Bythemillpond]

Iamthewombat

We won’t be asking younger people to fund exceptional pension compensation

You don’t know that. Anything could happen and you could end up grateful that there is a precedent in place.

[Iamthewombat]

We won’t be asking younger people to fund exceptional pension compensation. That is the difference. The cost of the compensation the WASPI women are asking for has been estimated at between £30 Bn and £215 Bn, the latter if they were to get what they really want, which is to have their pensions backdated to 60 rather than their previous state pension date under the 1995 and 2007 acts.

You are asking younger people to meet that cost on your behalf as a special one off, and claiming that they should be happy to do so because of female solidarity. Come off it.

[ArseInTheCoOpWindow]

There seems to be a lack of awareness from this campaign that the money would have to come from somewhere and that would be from younger people rather than a mythical money tree

When National Insurance was set up, it was always the case that younger supported older. But it’s cyclical, young people will support you when you’re older. That’s how it’s meant to work.

[Iamthewombat]

OK, so they know that younger generations of women would have to pay the compensation they are asking for, which would run to many billions, but they are still presenting it as a campaign of sisterhood and solidarity?

And anyone who points out this hypocrisy is a ‘piece of work’?

It doesn’t present the WASPI campaigners as people capable of logical and reasoned debate, does it?

You’ve thrown the kitchen sink at the pro-WASPI argument, even resorting to insults and claims that you have somehow paid back the entire younger generation of women by, er, occasionally looking after your own grandchildren. That will be great comfort to the women who will have to work until they are 68, or even longer in the unlikely event that your misconceived quest for compensation succeeds.

[echt]

[quote ufucoffee]@IvorHughJarrs there is no lack of awareness. The WASPI women know the compensation they want will have to come from somewhere. But they only care about themselves. I'm embarrassed to be the same generation. [/quote]
All compensation comes from somewhere. You think the WASPI women don't know that?

[ufucoffee]

@IvorHughJarrs there is no lack of awareness. The WASPI women know the compensation they want will have to come from somewhere. But they only care about themselves. I'm embarrassed to be the same generation.

[IvorHughJarrs]

There seems to be a lack of awareness from this campaign that the money would have to come from somewhere and that would be from younger people rather than a mythical money tree.
When state pensions began a significant number of people died before pension age and many more died within not many years whereas my mother is now in her 31st year of receiving a pension. There had to be some adjustment to reflect life expectancy and, despite being a similar age to these women I think it is nothing but greed to expect younger folk to fund this

[OhamIreally]

Yeah I suspect more "misterhood" than sisterhood going on.

[Immaculatemisconception]

@Iamthewombat

You ought to educate yourself, then you'd be entitled to an opinion on this.

You, earlier in the thread. Aimed at a different poster, but you’re rather living in a glass house if you’re going to start complaining about ‘name calling’, eh?

you'd be much more compassionate if you educated yourself

Ditto

I absolutely stand by both those comments. Some of the rubbish posted on this thread is astonishing.

Hardly name calling, just the truth.

If you want name calling, I'll agree with another poster and say yes, wow, you are a piece of work.

[PortMerrionCentre]

But be very clear, it was already too late for these women to make up the shortfall by then

But most of those women wouldn’t have been in a position to make up any “shortfall” anyway. What would they have done? Nobody ever says what the WASPI women would have done differently if they had received personalised letters. I think they’d have just had to keep on working like everyone else whose pension age has increased

[Willowkins]

I was born in 1960 so have no skin in the game but I do remember the policy to equalise men's and women's pension ages.

It was in the news.
For years and years and years.
Many options were put forward - including at time of high unemployment, putting men's retirement age down to 60.
But nothing ever happened.

So I don't blame women for thinking that it (whatever IT was) might never happen. The moment that the decision was made to raise women's pension age to 65 and the subsequent acceleration of pension age changes, then those affected should have been informed by letter. Unaccountably it took over a year for that to happen. But be very clear, it was already too late for these women to make up the shortfall by then.

These women just want equity and it's very sad that some people on here don't get that.

[CarpeVitam]

@Iamthewombat

*"Don't give me the sisterhood and solidarity nonsense"
*
WOW! Aren't you a piece of work! 🙄

[Knittingnanny]

@korawick12345 I know! I was just trying to be lighthearted! I know I can’t help everyone, just using it as an example that I’m not just “taking” but “ giving” a bit as well if you see what I mean.

[ufucoffee]

@Immaculatemisconception

I'm outnumbered by women who are after money lying about it

[korawick12345]

@Knittingnanny

You sound very bitter.
I’m doing my bit to help your generation by providing free childcare ( very willingly) for my grandchildren so that my adult children/step children can work full time.

Seriously- you are helping your own daughter out, that benefits me not one iota! It’s not helping a generation it’s helping your family 😂

[korawick12345]

[quote devuskums]**@korawick12345* @OceanTurtles* I am guessing, maybe wrongly, that you are both not eligible for state pension just yet. Let's just hope when you are eligable the government doesn't just add a few more years of working just before you are supposed to retire. If the government get away with it for the women born in the 50s, they are far more likely to think they can get away with it for you too.[/quote]
Like I said I am assuming that there won’t be a state pension as we currently know it so a few more years added on is the absolute least I am expecting