The murder Sophie Moss, he'll serve 4 years

[katemuff]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9965751/Killer-choked-mother-two-33-death-jailed-four-years.html

So the "rough sex" defence continues, despite the assurance it was not admissible. Another vulnerable woman with mental health issues is killed, 2 motherless children left to deal with their pain and trauma for the rest of their lives. He get's 4 years.

Why don't women's lives matter?

[OhHolyJesus]

Some coverage here. Anyone got anything from our public state broadcaster?

[Copium]

Is there any actual evidence that the victim usually “enjoyed” and consented to strangulation and sex? Or do we just have the murderers word for it?

Strangling someone to death with your bare hands takes several minutes after the person is unconscious. It is intent to kill in itself.

Also, any man who enjoys strangling “consensual” or otherwise is a violent perverted and deserves to be ashamed. I don’t care about their precious kinks.

[Threewheeler1]

Jesus christ...
But you can get up to 7 years for stealing a dog.
Just where do women figure in the pecking order?
When are we going to see an end to the rough sex defence? Probably never. It'll still be around in some form or another, just like the 'nagging wife' defence. I have no faith anymore, none whatsoever.
It's disgusting.

[EmbarrassingAdmissions]

usually “enjoyed” and consented to strangulation and sex?

I gather another partner provided support that Sophie Moss participated in this within their relationship (not that I accept consent within one relationship necessarily confirms consent within another).

[MsTSwift]

Did anyone hear that msn on the Jeremy vine show eagerly explaining his fetish 🙄🙁. Was sickening - Jeremy vine obviously thought so too

[MrsTerryPratchett]

@EmbarrassingAdmissions

usually “enjoyed” and consented to strangulation and sex?

I gather another partner provided support that Sophie Moss participated in this within their relationship (not that I accept consent within one relationship necessarily confirms consent within another).

And this is a huge issue. I've consented to stuff with one partner that I haven't with another. And in one situation and not in another. It is terrifying to think that once I've given consent once, it can be used in Court.

Yet another thing to tell DD.

[Copium]

They’re basically saying if a woman consents to strangulation during sex at any point with any person, she therefore consents to her own murder.

[FannyCann]

usually “enjoyed” and consented to strangulation and sex?

I gather another partner provided support that Sophie Moss participated in this within their relationship

So another partner popped up to say he had strangled Sophie during intercourse and claimed she enjoyed it. But how can anyone know she consented or enjoyed it? She's not here to say. Perhaps, (being described as vulnerable) she was in an abusive relationship and then entered another abusive relationship?
How many men who enjoy this abusive behaviour actually obtain consent? I highly doubt many women consent to this. And of course they're going to say "she loved it".

[Copium]

Exactly. Of course he will say she liked it.

It’s terrible that the victim’s sex life and reputation was raked over the coals after her death. When she’s no longer here to give her side. It shouldn’t be relevant.

He strangled her for long enough to kill her. That is intent to kill.

I think his claims of “not remembering” are further proof that this was murder. Murderers often say that. Whereas a man who (somehow) genuinely accidentally strangled someone to death would be justifying why he thought she was ok and still alive.

[DdraigGoch]

Louise Pybus speaks out:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10004489/Sam-Pybus-jail-term-sparked-calls-judicial-review-wife-supports-them.html

[EmbarrassingAdmissions]

[quote DdraigGoch]Louise Pybus speaks out:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10004489/Sam-Pybus-jail-term-sparked-calls-judicial-review-wife-supports-them.html[/quote]
Louise – still reeling from the betrayal and shock of the past seven months – wants a review of Sam's sentence. For what she has rarely admitted publicly until now is that she knew only too well of Pybus's predilection for sexual violence – and was a victim of it herself, as she confessed to police officers investigating Sophie's death.
…
'Every time I wanted to break up with him he would threaten to kill himself,' she says. 'I knew he was emotionally abusing me, but that doesn't stop it happening. I remember thinking the only way either of us are getting out of this relationship is if one of us dies.'
…
'I could not believe that he got such a short sentence for taking someone's life and I felt galvanised to do something,' she said.

'That's why after staying silent for seven months, I decided to speak out.' Louise believes Sophie's vulnerability meant she was treated as a 'second-class citizen' by the police and the courts, and this may have made Pybus's defence appear more credible.

archive: <a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20210919010851/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10004489/Sam-Pybus-jail-term-sparked-calls-judicial-review-wife-supports-them.html" rel="nofollow noindex" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20210919010851/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10004489/Sam-Pybus-jail-term-sparked-calls-judicial-review-wife-supports-them.html

[guinnessguzzler]

Thanks for sharing this. For me, the final comment captures it all: 'Men need to start questioning why they get a kick out of strangling a woman'.

Well done to Louise for speaking out, it can't have been easy. RIP Sophie.

[Ghostsintheshelf]

"The CPS concluded there was not enough evidence that Pybus had intended to harm her. This meant he was charged with the lesser offence of manslaughter."

This line. He throttled her to the point where his hands were aching and she was dead. He clearly intended to harm her. The whole point of it, the sexual payoff for him, was in hurting/harming a woman.
I'm just thinking of rape cases where the woman's (the victim's) sexual history is dredged up, where her knickers are shown to the court to cast aspersions on her character.
And yet this man (the actual defendant, not the victim) who gets off on choking women - that doesn't seem to be used as evidence that this man had a deep, pathological urge to hurt and control women. The whole thing becomes glossed over as an accident like a bit of bad driving.

[SweetBabyCheeses99]

Considering leaving some sort of clause in my will that says I have never and will never consent to someone strangling me under any circumstances.

[Anotheruser02]

@SweetBabyCheeses99

Considering leaving some sort of clause in my will that says I have never and will never consent to someone strangling me under any circumstances.

I have actually thought reading these stories over the years that a national "I don't consent to sexual violence" database is needed where women can register their lack of consent, my friends think I'm daft but I've told two people that if I'm ever found in that state they need to stand in court and say that I did not and would not agree to that.

[katemuff]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10004489/Sam-Pybus-jail-term-sparked-calls-judicial-review-wife-supports-them.html

[Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g]

Well done to the Mail for publishing that article. Julie Bindle co-authored with Sanchez Manning. I hope his wife's views count for something with the Attorney General. I note she thinks he got the idea from porn that this was how he should, or maybe could, behave during sex, and she was also influenced by porn and social media into thinking at first that she had to accept it. Fortunately she eventually found the confidence to say she didn't want him to do those things. Unfortunately instead of re-evaluating his tastes and trying to unlearn them, he looked for another woman he could manipulate more easily. He is a danger to women. Four years is a ludicrously short sentence for what he has done and the risk he represents to society.

[Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g]

Bindel!

[FannyCann]

SweetBabyCheeses99
Considering leaving some sort of clause in my will that says I have never and will never consent to someone strangling me under any circumstances.
I have actually thought reading these stories over the years that a national "I don't consent to sexual violence" database is needed where women can register their lack of consent, my friends think I'm daft but I've told two people that if I'm ever found in that state they need to stand in court and say that I did not and would not agree to that.

Yes, I have wondered if "WeCantConsentToThis" would consider adding something like this to their website. Maybe with a request for a donation so those who can't afford to don't need to but those who can would more than cover the costs I'm sure.

The national publicity such a database/sign up would attract would surely take the conversation to a much wider audience and who knows, perhaps men would get to hear about it and sit up and take notice or revaluate their nasty predilections.

[FannyCann]

Here is the link to the site if anyone hasn't seen it. Utterly shocking and desperately sad to see the names and faces of women who have been killed this way along with the (often ridiculously short) sentences, with manslaughter as oppose to murder being common.

Fiona MacKenzie is on Mumsnet but I can't find her @ to link her.

wecantconsenttothis.uk/

[Anotheruser02]

perhaps men would get to hear about it and sit up and take notice or revaluate their nasty predilections.

I would certainly drop it into conversation with any new partner that I was on there.

[Ghostsintheshelf]

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/3715105a-2171-11ec-8cb7-e60ba8dbca61?shareToken=40499f450a4d99e81976cda2151e9019

His sentence is going to be reviewed. I hope this brings some comfort to her family.