Reading the Guardian

[littlebitupset]

Always read the Guardian but didn't fully realise what was happening to Suzanne Moore until she left. Am horrified at her treatment.

I'm now conflicted with some of the remaining columnists, who I previously admired but now wonder how they can stay and, in my opinion, look like they support the signature list that went around even if they didn't sign it. (I don't know who did sign it).

Hadley Freeman springs to mind the most.

Where is the solidarity?

[Defaultname]

@NewlyGranny

To quote Wilde - or Lady Bracknell - it "...reminds one of the worst excesses off the French Revolution."

And as history shows, revolutions turn and devour their children. Watch and wait.

That speech continues "....Mr.Worthing,...try and...produce, at any rate one parent, of either sex."

"Either sex"! As though there are only two!

Time to pull down the Wilde statues, surely!

[GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman]

As for the Spectator on Kindle being free with Prime, I've found a 28 day free trial. I'll have another look.

[SophocIestheFox]

One of my loveliest, kindest, smartest friends absolutely adores OJ. She’s in her seventies as well, and not otherwise prone to wokeness. It’s mystifying. We just never talk about him, she knows I think he’s a self satisfied twerp 🤣

[boatyardblues]

I’ve finally got around to reading the list of signatories. What were journalists like Simon Hattenstone thinking? Despicable behaviour. Ugh.

[TammyTwoSawnson]

Just read the list of signatories. One of them was a friend and the last time I spoke to her was about gender critical feminism. I was under the impression she was gender critical too.
But I've just checked and yup! She's unfollowed/unfriended me on all social media.
Sigh.

[RealityNotEssentialism]

@TammyTwoSawnson

Just read the list of signatories. One of them was a friend and the last time I spoke to her was about gender critical feminism. I was under the impression she was gender critical too.
But I've just checked and yup! She's unfollowed/unfriended me on all social media.
Sigh.

Wow. It’s amazing that you can cut a friend out of your life over a difference in opinion rather than debating the issue with them. It really shows how cult-like this movement is. I have friends who feel differently to me about immigration or Brexit. I do sometimes avoid those topics with them but I’d never cut them out of my life. They’ve been there for me in the past and political views are not the foundation of our friendship.

I think the woke movement teaches that the only reason someone is a Tory voter is that they are an inherently bad person. That’s obviously total bullshit but it explains why some people refuse to associate with anyone who doesn’t think the same as them. Their hate is starting to transfer from tories to centrists now, so I reckon I’m in for it soon! It’s their loss. This woman was never much of a friend to begin with.

[OneEpisode]

Hi @andyoldlabour
There are lots of IT type people on that www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sr64n9 list.
I’m sure I read that the trans person that had already resigned was in IT.
Suzanne wrote “ I was discussed at ‘conference', the newspaper morning meeting open to all — it looks like equality, but some people sit on the floor and others get seats — and it was reported that a trans woman employee, who had resigned some weeks earlier, resigned again that morning, because my words had made her feel unsafe.“

A scrum is a group of people doing usually IT development. Agile is a newer project delivery technique, basically delivering in stages. The “master” is the person coordinating the developers.
Somehow “agile scrum master” is an ok job title for any gender/ethnicity.

[ScribblingPixie]

@GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman

As for the Spectator on Kindle being free with Prime, I've found a 28 day free trial. I'll have another look.

www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B08MTS8QB5?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&storeType=periodicals&pageType=FEATUREDOC&pf_rd_p=422dd008-73bb-4436-a5e2-e6f1415ba3dd&pf_rd_r=SDXSK8XBGQGZ67SR50T5&pf_rd_s=center-6&pf_rd_t=47101&ref_=dbs_o_r_shv_s6_422dd008-73bb-4436-a5e2-e6f1415ba3dd_10&pf_rd_i=dbs-desktop-prime-pr-magazines&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-21

[ScribblingPixie]

Maybe it was just a one-off freebie? Admittedly I haven't properly explored this area of Amazon so sorry if I've got it wrong.

[andyoldlabour]

OneEpisode

Thanks for that explanation, you are right there were a lot of IT based people who signed that.