Asking to be spared jail due to gender vulnerability

[CoffeeTeaChocolate]

www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8684523/amp/Transgender-woman-faces-jail-giving-14-year-old-girl-Valium-Hungry-Jacks.html

This actually makes me incredibly angry.

[SerenityNowwwww]

I always told DS to find a policeman or security guard (or someone in uniform), or ‘a lady with children’.

[NearlyGranny]

I always told my DC when young to approach someone behind a counter or a lady with a child in a pushchair/pram if they were lost.

Poor little runaway teen. She trusted the wrong person. How can the perpetrator plead vulnerability?! Shameless.

[SerenityNowwwww]

You just don’t give random stranger teens Valium. I’m not sure what the motive was in giving them that or anything that happened between the two.

But they are a bit long in the tooth to be taking such a silly and dangerous action. The law should stand - without fear nor favour.

[RiotAndAlarum]

What a pity this female child wasn't spared an overdose (other drugs in her system, but maybe they could only pin the Valium on Willan) due to her multiple vulnerabilities (young/ female/ runaway).

[Signalbox]

In a similar situation I guess if a woman identified as a man but there would be obvious danger for her being placed in a male prison so she could get out of going to jail that way?

I don't think so because trans men are housed in the female estate because they are female and would be at considerable risk in the male estate. It's interesting that you don't hear reports of trans men applying to be transferred to the male estate isn't it?

Trans women are also at increased risk in the male estate but in most cases placing them in the female estate would not be safe for the women already housed there. It doesn't seem like an insurmountable problem but I guess it's another case of anyone trying to deal with it gets call transphobic and so it'll just rumble on until something really serious happens and they have to do something about it..

[KittyValentine]

... offenders will start identifying as women to avoid jail time...

Yep, this! It’s becoming the new plea of insanity.

[gardenbird48]

I will be thankful for small mercies then Signalbox - thank you for that clarification.

In a similar situation I guess if a woman identified as a man but there would be obvious danger for her being placed in a male prison so she could get out of going to jail that way?
I wonder how that would go down with Judge Mooney. I'll keep that one up my sleeve in case of need.

[Signalbox]

The case won't have set a legal precedent gardenbird as it was only crown court. I imagine if these defences start happening (and are successful) on a regular basis then something will have to be done about it as offenders will start identifying as women to avoid jail time.

[gardenbird48]

so that legal precedent means that in the UK, so an offender now claim to be a woman in order to avoid jail and in this case, this repeat offender now has their bona fide 'get out of jail card' - the absence of a GRC. Thus making a mockery of the people who have gone to the trouble of obtaining a GRC - in the same situation, they would have been sent to prison (albeit likely a woman's prison).
That judge really didn't think that through did he?

[Signalbox]

Is there any legal basis for this being argued, does anyone know?

This has happened before:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8050985/Transgender-woman-spared-jail-attacking-man-claw-hammer.html

"We live in a society which acknowledges and embraces diversity and allows and encourages people to live the life they want to. Sometimes society does not make the necessary or appropriate adjustments in all ways it can to reflect the adjustments of society as a whole.'

The judge said although Le Fey had chosen to do wrong and could be punished by prison, she had no choice in the type of prison she went to.

'There are circumstances where it can be regarded as disproportionate in a society that acknowledges diversity, but has a lack of resources otherwise to deal with it,' Judge Mooney continued"

[MarieIVanArkleStinks]

I find it desperately sad if the girl thought this person was being safe due to TWAW.

It makes me incandescent with anger. See activists? THIS is what it costs women and girls to be 'polite'. Because it 'isn't hurting us'.

Grrrr.

[Cailleach1]

It would be absolutely disgraceful if this perpetrator was not punished appropriately for their actions. The victim would be the one deprived of justice.

[Cailleach1]

Yes. I used to tell my son to approach the staff/reception or a woman with children if he got separated from me.

[CuriousaboutSamphire]

I say Ladeeze.. you seem to have misplaced your nice!!!!

[Poota]

Perhaps Willan could identify as a cat burglar in prison, instead of someone who drugs girls for undisclosed purposes, so the other prisoners won't be tempted to unwelcoming behaviour? That should be effective.

[DrDavidBanner]

Its not their gender identity that puts them at risk. Everyone knows predatory paedophiles are fair game in prison.

[CoffeeTeaChocolate]

I find it desperately sad if the girl thought this person was being safe due to TWAW. Poor, poor girl.

[FireUnderTheHand]

@NiceGerbil

My point is that the girl probably approached someone she thought was female.

Who drugged her and took her home and ???

This sort of thing is a crime that almost always is carried out by men.

If the girl had thought this was a middle aged man would she have asked for the phone.

I'm sure you see what I'm driving at.

I expect she thought this person was safe as a part of the most vulnerable population ever. Because TWAW thus TW and women are the exact same, you see? Educate yourself, don't be a bigot.

Disclaimer/read: satire; all conjecture on my part but it had to be said

[ShootsFruitsAndLeaves]

It might be that gaslighting led the victim to incorrectly believe that Willian possessed a risk profile of a female, not a male.

[MarieIVanArkleStinks]

A grown up 61 year old is crying vulnerability over a 14 year old runaway girl?

This just isn't possible. Willam belongs to THE most oppressed group of people, in the history of the world, ever. The end.

The group that's never experienced masculine privilege, or doesn't have on average a more aggressive hormonal make-up/higher testosterone levels and XY chromosomes together with a bigger skeleton, larger hands and feet, denser muscle mass, greater height, and far more significant physical strength than your average female. And many (men, that is) are not backwards in coming forwards when it comes to using that strength against women and even children.

But misgender them and that's 'literal violence'. And yes, of course, the old protestation 'that never happens!' How could I have been so lax!

[MoltenLasagne]

@CuriousaboutSamphire

Momentary lapse, my arse. Seized an opportunity, more like!
Not that this ever happens, of course!

Exactly my thought. How likely is it that someone goes from zero to drugging a 14 year old runaway?

[nancybotwinbloom]

The TW is concerned that their gender will put them at risk behind bars?

Who from? Men or women? It's not their gender as to why they are at risk.

Let's face it, men and women in prison will both want to twat this fucker as there are no good reasons for giving a 14 year old
Valium.

[Whatwouldscullydo]

Yes it does matter as many children are taught to approach shop person/ police/ person with kids/ woman if they need help

If she felt able to ask for help or knew who to go to she probably wouldn't have run away from home.

[NiceGerbil]

Yes no one knows what happened while she was unconscious.

I know what my guess would be.

[SerenityNowwwww]

A grown up 61 year old is crying vulnerability over a 14 year old runaway girl?