“Green Party : handful of people” in the party are undermining trans people’s “right to exist”

[letterem]

From Amelia Womack : She says tackling “all forms of discrimination and bigotry” within and outside the Green Party is “essential”.
In particular, she argues that “a handful of people” in the party are undermining trans people’s “right to exist”. This is in reference to a long term struggle in the party, where a small, unrepresentative group of members have opposed the Greens’ policies that support trans rights.

On you go , handful of people .

[notyourhandmaid]

For a minority group whose 'existence' is so often threatened, they sure are loud.

[Michelleoftheresistance]

I agree that "denying/undermining the right to exist" has got to be the biggest bollocky non-phrase of the bloody century. What does it even MEAN?

As far as I'm able to understand from reading as extensively as I can - since like you, I find explanations very thin on the ground - it's to do with the idea that identity can only exist if others consistently enact perceiving and treating you in a way compatible with your personal, inner sense of identity, and provide you with uninterrupted external validation of it. The identity only exists if externally validated and confirmed as if it was the truth, so interrupting that validation, or not co operating with that validation 'vanishes' that identity. It exists only with the uninterrupted support of other people. So to refuse validation 'denies the right of that chosen identity to exist'. If I'm wrong, please someone correct me, I've been asking for some time!

I could, at this point, wax lyrical and for some time about the unhealthiness there appears to be within this relying on external validation for happiness and sense of self as it is inevitably and unrealistically impossible to control others' perceptions, reactions, language, feelings and actions at all times. It goes against everything therapists normally support people to do. Also the desire to control others in this way shows concerning issues with expecting others - even total strangers on the street - to take a loco parentis type responsibility for your feelings, needs and wellbeing at all times instead of taking responsibility for yourself; issues with expecting care taking from others and standards of service provision from them with no reciprocation or social contract; and the issues inherent in not respecting that other people are autonomous beings, with different views, beliefs and choices who may not choose to put your needs and feelings above any other priority they have, or agree with your beliefs within their value system or other aspects of their life such as their faith, and may therefore say no to you. There is a fundamental disrespect for the equality of rights of others.

Bear in mind, the political lobby behind this want legal systems of punishment for those who do not provide this compelled service to them, and have already used these avenues.

The whole thing is disturbing.

[joyjester]

@SheWhoMustNotBeHeard

I'm politically homeless :(

Snap😥

[wellbehavedwomen]

@morningtoncrescent62

I just read the article posted by ItsAllGoingToBeFine about the former SNP women's officer, now in the Scottish Greens, and their claims about the SNP failing to take seriously their complaints of transphobia.

One of the many problems with the TRA tactics is that it's no longer possible to name and address transphobia. The term has become meaningless. When anyone putting forward an argument for women's rights is accused of bigotry and undermining trans people's rights to exist, we can no longer identify real bigotry and denial of human rights. I've no idea whether the SNP complainant was the target of actual transphobic attack (whether verbal or physical), because the term as used by TRAs has become empty of meaning. These extremists are doing trans people no favours.

I've thought that.

There were some really horrible comments under that swimsuit model linked the other day. Bunch of men asserting how non-gay they were, yes sirree, by being very unpleasant about a really gorgeous trans woman. Same with Damian Burr's vitriol about trans people, using a certain slur and mocking a suicide attempt. That's genuine transphobia. Can well imagine how that would go down if anyone located anything similar from eg Suzanne Moore, no matter how long ago it was.

Saying that humans can't change sex, that sex and gender are different things, and that women need single sex spaces, sport, and representation based on biology isn't transphobic. It's women as a sex class, advocating for ourselves. And if there were no actual conflict, there'd be no rage, either, because it wouldn't matter what we said or did: our provision would remain intact. It's like those people who were sure gay marriage threatened their own - nobody else's marriage has any impact on theirs, so it was a total nonsense. This is about our provision ,when males are to be allowed access. We are affected, directly, and some women will be harmed by it - severely so. And we have a right to advocate for our own interests when male people seek to co-opt it, given male people's proven extreme abuse and attempted total domination of female people, through history. We do not have to accept that an unproven, and unprovable, thought in a male person's head matters more than biological fact. And that is the demand. All else flows from that demand.

If transphobia now is anyone saying anything that doesn't place all trans people (though let's face it, what they really mean is male trans people: trans women) front and centre in every possible context, at cost to that group's own best interests, then no wonder transphobia is seen everywhere you look. Because other people do actually also exist, with rights and lives and vulnerabilities of their own.

As for anyone denying anyone's existence... I don't deny that the Pope exists. I just don't believe he is the human being closest to God, and that he should determine how I live my life.

The distinction is seemingly lost on some people.

[AnnieBarbour]

I’m interested I hearing from anyone in the Scottish Green Party who is experiencing harassment, cancelling or other abuse for questioning how the ‘trans women are women’ mantra impacts on all women lists and women Co- Convenor places.

[ListeningQuietly]

Every mother
who wants their daughter
to have the chance to excel in sport, business or the arts
needs to fight the
misogynist infiltration of women's spaces
by 1970s men and their enablers

[Aesopfable]

@wrongsideofhistorymyarse

The whole fearing for their lives thing is part of the fetish. They see themselves as tiny vulnerable women, unlike people with eyes.

Indeed, you just need to look at a TW serial derailing on here to see their fantasy image of ‘women’, divorced from the reality of what it is actually like to be a woman, is central to their ideology.

[thinkingaboutLangCleg]

Emma Cuthbertson, a former Women's Officer ... has told of how she feared almost daily for her safety and was the victim of attacks ... due to her being transgender.

Really, attacks? Or people voicing their disapproval of EC taking a Women's Officer job?