“Green Party : handful of people” in the party are undermining trans people’s “right to exist”

[letterem]

From Amelia Womack : She says tackling “all forms of discrimination and bigotry” within and outside the Green Party is “essential”.
In particular, she argues that “a handful of people” in the party are undermining trans people’s “right to exist”. This is in reference to a long term struggle in the party, where a small, unrepresentative group of members have opposed the Greens’ policies that support trans rights.

On you go , handful of people .

[TheProdigalKittensReturn]

Members are trying to push back and ask why the environment doesn't seem to have so much importance

See, that's why I might once have considered voting Green. If they're not focused on the environment then what use are they as a party? It's a "you had one job" thing.

[DrDavidBanner]

"Denying my right to exist" just sounds so Kevin the Teenager, it would be comical if it wasn't so dangerous.

Everyone has the right to exist, but unfortunately there's really no way to provide people with the right to be seen as they'd like to be seen. Nobody seems to be able to figure out what to do about people who insist that the former and the latter are the same thing.

Exactly, its all so immature. We have a generation of adults who've not grown up and this is showing itself to be a real serious problem. On the one hand their demands are ridiculous and on the other they don't seem to be able to cope with day to day reality.

[Jeeeez]

I'm planning on writing to the party to say that I've changed my mind about joining it since reading Beatrix Campbell's resignation letter.
It might have an impact if lots of us do it..

[slug]

Ahh The Green party. Famous for referring to women as non men.

[Michelleoftheresistance]

on the other they don't seem to be able to cope with day to day reality.

No kidding. I'm still blinking on that tweet linked to this morning, about a TW whose friend put in a 23&me DNA request, and the TW was deeply distressed to receive back results of XY. The friend wanted to know couldn't 23&me do a trans inclusive test.... words fail.

This is where kind lying stops being kind in any way, shape or form.

[TheProdigalKittensReturn]

I don't even know what to say to the 23 and me thing. Just, no, no they cannot, because what you are asking for does not exist within the bounds of human biology, on account of us being mammals.

[TBHno]

I thought that the Greens were predominantly a single-issue party focused on saving the environment?

Why are they obsessed with this unrelated issue?

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

@TBHno

I thought that the Greens were predominantly a single-issue party focused on saving the environment?

Why are they obsessed with this unrelated issue?

Sadly they used to be single issue environment, and pretty good at that niche.

Now they are single issue queer/trans/oppression Olympics and have good people leaving in droves and being infiltrated by young woke entryists.

[morningtoncrescent62]

I just read the article posted by ItsAllGoingToBeFine about the former SNP women's officer, now in the Scottish Greens, and their claims about the SNP failing to take seriously their complaints of transphobia.

One of the many problems with the TRA tactics is that it's no longer possible to name and address transphobia. The term has become meaningless. When anyone putting forward an argument for women's rights is accused of bigotry and undermining trans people's rights to exist, we can no longer identify real bigotry and denial of human rights. I've no idea whether the SNP complainant was the target of actual transphobic attack (whether verbal or physical), because the term as used by TRAs has become empty of meaning. These extremists are doing trans people no favours.

[SarahTancredi]

And still no one asks why this one group of people is apparently so much more fragile than the girls getting shot at trying to access eduction. More fragile than victims of abuse, trafficking, modern day slavery, more fragile than the children who have to walk miles just to get water, more fragile than those on the front line in the army who have seen horrific things.

So fragile women have to pretend they no longer exist to aplease them.

When will these people wake up and realise they have been had .

[Tootletum]

Not that surprised given that every single article that talks about JKR's tweets never quotes any part of them, but just labels them as transphobic. Not even "perceived as" or "controversial" (cos saying women have rights is obviously terrible lies), but a statement of faxt that equates opinion with hate crime. It's all such utter bullshit. I don't even think trans rights is a big deal, they have rights, and most of them just want to be left alone and dissociated from Twitter nutters. But the lack of any freedom to even discuss complex issues on a public forum is shocking and bizarre.

[Michelleoftheresistance]

I don't even know what to say to the 23 and me thing. Just, no, no they cannot, because what you are asking for does not exist within the bounds of human biology, on account of us being mammals.

I can honestly, only think the expectation is that you should be able to apply for the test, telling them what you would like the results to be. They then pretend to do the test and send you the results letter with your preferred chosen results inserted and celebrated.

These are adults.

[highame]

These are adults. I doubt it😁

But it is making me laugh

[DrDavidBanner]

@SarahTancredi

And still no one asks why this one group of people is apparently so much more fragile than the girls getting shot at trying to access eduction. More fragile than victims of abuse, trafficking, modern day slavery, more fragile than the children who have to walk miles just to get water, more fragile than those on the front line in the army who have seen horrific things.

So fragile women have to pretend they no longer exist to aplease them.

When will these people wake up and realise they have been had .

When I first started living with my now DH my nan told me. "Set your boundaries and stick to them because he will try to cross them, he's a good man but it's just what men do. They can't help themselves". Its always stuck with me, it seems quite a sexist generalisation but these dudes will keep proving her point.

[BatShite]

'Right to exist' nonsense yet again. So sick of hearing this when I have yet to see anyone claim that trans people don't exist, nor anything of the sort. But its made out to be something thats said all the time. Infact the only people I have ever heard banging on about transpeoples right to exist..are TRAs.

[Apileofballyhoo]

@2Rebecca

It would be handy if they all went to the one party and that party became the party of identity politics and the oppression olympics and the other parties just got on with real issues

I was just thinking that very same thing.

[TheSingingKettle49]

So if feel i was born in the wrong body, I should have been 6ft tall and gorgeous and I decide to identify as a supermodel, but none of the modelling agencies will represent me and no fashion houses will pay me to wear their clothes because actually I’m a bit chubby and average looking are they denying my right to exist?

[Kantastic]

No kidding. I'm still blinking on that tweet linked to this morning, about a TW whose friend put in a 23&me DNA request, and the TW was deeply distressed to receive back results of XY. The friend wanted to know couldn't 23&me do a trans inclusive test.... words fail.

My partner got that done and I have a distinct memory of the website dancing around with trans inclusive language on that section! So it's not like the results were like "LOL UR A MAN HAHA," anyway bloody Google own them. So they literally had a problem with the genetic test saying "XY" on it...

okay wow it must be exhausting to live in that person's head, I want to take a nap just thinking about it.

[ScrimpshawTheSecond]

If I were wanting to take down a middling political party that presented some kind of threat then something like the self ID/GRA debate would be precisely the mechanism I'd use. Send in a few recruits to agitate and infiltrate, take over every debate no matter the issue, encourage anyone who sees the whole thing as lunacy to leave or be kicked out. Et voila, a zombie party that no longer has the teeth, conviction or unity to achieve what it was ostensibly set up to do.

[SarahTancredi]

If I were wanting to take down a middling political party that presented some kind of threat then something like the self ID/GRA debate would be precisely the mechanism I'd use. Send in a few recruits to agitate and infiltrate, take over every debate no matter the issue, encourage anyone who sees the whole thing as lunacy to leave or be kicked out. Et voila, a zombie party that no longer has the teeth, conviction or unity to achieve what it was ostensibly set up to do

Thing is that they have already seen where this leads. Lib dems and labor made themselves unelectable with this stuff and backed themselves into such a corner that that they ended up on radio and TV infront of hundreds of people saying that make raoists feelings were more important than anything else.

Why on earth would they pick up where they left off?

[highame]

And still no one asks why this one group of people is apparently so much more fragile

Just a thought but is there an idea that women are fragile, another stereotype without knowing what it means?

[SarahTancredi]

Just a thought but is there an idea that women are fragile, another stereotype without knowing what it means

Shows you how little they actually know about women doesnt it.

Our bodies take a right battering. Women are pretty hard-core.

Suffragettes were anything but meak mild and fragile...

[ScrimpshawTheSecond]

I don't know if the left have managed to join the dots, though. There still seems to be this utterly simplistic idea that anyone questioning the current ideology is a 'baddie ' and therefore to be cast out. Happened with Brexit, happened with the election, with Trump too. Just more hand wringing that everyone else is so awful and this nameless mass of people are suddenly racist/stupid/evil. (A section of the left perhaps enjoys the martyrdom of always being in the valiant losing side, too. I say this as a leftie.)

Instead of accepting that humans are human with divergent ideas and opinions.

[tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz]

I agree that "denying/undermining the right to exist" has got to be the biggest bollocky non-phrase of the bloody century. What does it even MEAN? I have asked so, so many posters on this board, whose default position is screeching"transphobe" and not one has been able to answer (along with every other question put to them). Not.One.
And "literal violence" is also such a load of crap. When did anyone get physically hurt from debate?

[Socrates11]

This is in reference to a long term struggle in the party, where a small, unrepresentative group of members have opposed the Greens’ policies that support trans rights.

Aye, lot smaller group since they chucked people out for asking basic safeguarding questions. Jenny Jones and Rupert Read were shut down & re-educated, whilst Lucas was bullied out of meeting up with WPUK. So unrepresentative eyeroll (Come on Lucas do a Rowling you're too sensible not to see through the absolute bullshit)

Practically a lifelong Green voter but not a chance in hell I'd vote for them now whilst they're spouting this cult nonsense.

As Magdalene Bern's so memorably said, "I'd rather be rude than a bloody liar", correctly sexing someone cannot be a crime/discrimination & has no bearing on their ability to exist FFS.