Why do the British press hate people like me and my friends so much?

[GrinitchSpinach]

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Mumsnet (or Momsnet? poster not sure) gets a special mention because although our posts might seem reasonable at first, they hide an underlying "hateful garbage" aimed at persuading "honest nice women."

For clarity, this MNetter does not wish any trans person out of existence. I do wish trans people happy lives free from discrimination in housing, employment, etc. I am not concerned about potential grandchildren.

[SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed]

But tapioca is awesome stuff! Your post does explain why I never had to queue for seconds though.

I've bought the tinned tapioca, and tried to make it myself but I've never managed to recreate the wondrousness of school tapioca.

[Illyria47]

Tapioca, frog spawn, Semolina, mixed with jam, good.

[GrandmaSteglitszch]

It is tricky because I share a toilet with a transwoman at work; but I know her, she is absolutely sincere in her need and desire to be female. She IS female!

No, she isn't.
If I encounter that person in a changing room, I have no idea how sincere they are. They are a man in a women's changing room.

[LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD]

Feminine - not a woman though?

One issue now is that we just don’t know how to complain if we find a man in the ladies - or if we can approach them/reception/security even if they look like Bernard Blessed ‘just in case’ Dave feels like Doris.

It sounds like a very bad 2 Ronnies script when they used to do futuristic skits.

[ZuttZeVootEeeVro]

I wonder what the transperson in the opening post would do if they were alone in the toilets with a man? Would they assume they must be trans because why else would they be there? Would they feel threatened and let the staff know?

[OhHolyJesus]

Look kids. Get out of the house. Have a conversation about something other than yourself with someone new. Get a job. Deactivate your GoFundMe. Wear whatever the fuck you like, but do it outside in the fresh air. Pay your bills, finish your education, vow off selfies and go cold turkey on Tumblr.

Then when you have something substantial to talk about, which is not your navel, come back. Bring recipes and a sense of humour. A small gauge poly cutter would also be useful.

^ This!

Does anyone else feel like as much as I'm terrified for Brexit or No deal maybe all these woke young things need some real fucking hardship to stop feeling so bloody entitled.

I also feel like this trans ideology is being snuck under the back door whilst we all watch the Brexit debate roll on. There are still so many people who haven't a clue, or they just don't see it as a priority.

I saw a transwoman in the post office the their day. I took a second look because of the voice. I didn't feel threatened but if I was in a public women's loo I would.

I'm also really sick of the double standards. If a transwoman is a women then trans lesbians would want to have sex with them wouldn't they. Why don't they go into the men's loos...is it because they feel threatened, gosh why IS that?

[OhHolyJesus]

Sorry bold fail

[YetAnotherSpartacus]

Look kids. Get out of the house. Have a conversation about something other than yourself with someone new. Get a job. Deactivate your GoFundMe. Wear whatever the fuck you like, but do it outside in the fresh air. Pay your bills, finish your education, vow off selfies and go cold turkey on Tumblr

I get this. But don't forget that we are the ones who are raising them and who have power over how they are educated as children...

[Coyoacan]

we are the ones who are raising them and who have power over how they are educated as children

We do our best, but children naturally grow away from parental influence and peer group influence starts to take over.

[GeorgeFayne]

Oh, treacle looks like amazing stuff! (Yes, I love the Great British Baking Show, as it's called here.) I'd love to make a trip to the UK, and that's high on my priority list of things to eat. Haggis...not so much.

DanceLikeEmma You are RIGHT ON. So well said. A complete generation of narcissists.

And the parenting piece matters, too. I have parents of some teens afraid to limit (or in some needed cases, take) their teens' phones for threats of suicide.

I have a delightful family, (rural, religious), who, for the past ten years, have taken their children (all ages) to the city to work for a soup kitchen and help distribute blankets and supplies to homeless people. Their teens are wonderful young people, and are a light in this world.

Caring about more than one's self is critical for gratitude and happiness. Might explain the underlying depression that I suspect with this young person in the post.

[Micke]

she is absolutely sincere in her need and desire to be female. She IS female!

The trouble is that sincere belief doesn't change reality.

If it did, lots of women could have saved themselves a lot of strife.

[AnyOldPrion]

I’ve RTFT and still there’s no almond tart recipe.

But hey wimms! At least we seem reasonable at first.

Preens

[YetAnotherSpartacus]

We do our best, but children naturally grow away from parental influence and peer group influence starts to take over

Well clearly if there is a powerful peer group that thinks otherwise then many parents are not 'doing their best'.

I wasn't thinking of parents specifically btw. I was thinking of a range of influences including schools (and universities).

[Coyoacan]

I was surprised by your original comment, so I'm glad that I misunderstood.

[YetAnotherSpartacus]

I was surprised by your original comment, so I'm glad that I misunderstood

It just does not seem fair to blame young people when they don't have a lot of agency and when a lot of their behaviours are learned via their upbringing and education. Plus, a lot of adults mirror their behaviours!

[FlyingOink]

Caring about more than one's self is critical for gratitude and happiness. Might explain the underlying depression that I suspect with this young person in the post.
I don't want to go all meta, but this is really key.
What makes us learn to care about others? Interacting. The more distant you are from others, the less you care about them. Which is why a flood in Bangladesh with thousands dead elicits less sympathy, attention, money or news coverage than a single missing child in the UK. It is human nature.
Now young people are currently in situations where: they don't interact with their peers face to face as much as via a screen, and they barely interact with anyone else. Things like the Milgram experiments show that the more removed one is, the less empathy one shows.
They're less likely to have a decent job, or if they're very young, any job at all (because there's an adult on a ZHC doing it or it's been automated). So again less interaction with people who are different to them.
Online, it's very easy to live in a bubble or an echo chamber, and to feel real fear when that worldview is challenged (hence the real tears and real fears post the Trump and Brexit votes - people were shocked the people they never interact with don't think the same way they do).
I'm sure we will see an increase in personality disorders in the next ten, twenty years. There is an entire generation that is dissociated from other people, and their expectations are unrealistic. So they literally can't relate to others, operate in the "real world" or understand why they aren't getting anywhere in life.
In that scenario I can totally understand taking the pill that means instant attention, instant kudos and something to focus on.

[ChairmanMiaow123]

Yes, Angry you rang! 😉

The Chairman is in. 😊

Sheldon once told Penny that he didn’t want to have dinner with her (along with Amy & Bernadette), as he wasn’t up for ‘an evening talking about menstrual cramps and unicorns’. 🦄

And that’s clearly what we should all be doing right now. 😉

[terryleather]

Can't believe there is dissing of haggis on this thread, it's the food of my people!And it's nearly Burns Night........

[GeorgeFayne]

Flying Oink Completely agree!

TerryLeather My great-grandfather immigrated to the US from Scotland. His description of haggis was, well, not very appealing.

[OtepotiLilliane42]

I love Haggis! I am attending my first ever Burns Night dinner here in Dunedin, NZ (the Edinburgh of the South) and look forward to it.
We have a statue of Robbie Burns in the centre of our city to show our Scottish roots.

www.tripadvisor.ie/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g255119-i22542300-Dunedin_Otago_Region_South_Island.html

[FloralBunting]

Haggis is lovely. People just get their knickers in a twist because of the bare ingredients list, but if I told your your delicious rare steak was 'a chunk of nearly raw cow muscle' it wouldn't be very appealing either.

[LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD]

Or sausages- we know what really goes into a banger!

[LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD]

Foi gras, caviar?

[terryleather]

I think Floral and Lord have hit the nail on the head - I feel a bit myself when I read the description of it, yet it tastes delicious.

The veggie haggis is tasty too George and not so !

[LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD]

I like McSweens veggie haggis (not keen on Halls though).