Sunday Register

[Pratchet]

Roll out the barrel
Present, no strikes that I know about
I saw a few people get deleted yesterday

I don't think we've lost anyone yet?

[AntiqueOlive]

Very useful strategies ^

[FermatsTheorem]

Re. derailing: I have two suggestions.

1. obvious non-seqitur, purely to goad, in no need of rebuttal. Ignore, but ignore in a constructive way. Scroll back up thread to the last genuine contribution and engage with that instead. Hopefully that way the conversation then moves on around the attempted derail.
   
   
2. Derail that needs rebutted. Do so briefly and factually. Summarise the fallacious argument/fake fact, don't quote directly. Do not give the troll the satisfaction of name- checking them (use a construction like "it is sometimes falsely claimed that.. "). Then move the conversation back on track, don't leave the rebuttal as the only thing in the post.

[tobee]

Damn I'm late again. It's Monday pm. No strikes yet.

[LangCleg]

Maybe we need a how to deal with derailing thread, which will of course have an attempt at derailment because some people just can't help themselves.

We need something because I tried to step in to help Joan yesterday - and express my own anger at the vile behaviour - but it's like water off a duck's back.

[Dragoncake]

I keep comparing GC posters to those brooms in the Sorcerer's Apprentice film. Smash one down and several lurkers pop up to take their place. Please keep going!

[LangCleg]

Also just look at all the lurkers stepping out of hiding! We're well past critical mass, I think.

Yes! It's brilliant. And I think we are.

[Amalfimamma]

Good morning no further strikes, but I did spend most of yesterday on the beach, no answer to Friday's email either.

[LaSqrrl]

Strategy? Yes. How about over at FT? Seems quiet.

[thebewilderness]

I do not know for sure but I think there are fewer staff on weekends so the disrupters are free to cavort all weekend and them MNHQ explains that the took down the whole thread because just deleting the disrupters who are preventing conversation from taking place would make the thread look... dunno? Some way they don't want, I guess.

[AngryAttackKittens]

Like dogs peeing on lampposts to mark territory, honestly.

[JoanSummers]

AAK lol Yeh, that would be a red rag to these muppets

[JoanSummers]

*undisrupted

That's a pain of an auto correct

[AngryAttackKittens]

Maybe we need a how to deal with derailing thread, which will of course have an attempt at derailment because some people just can't help themselves.

[JoanSummers]

Thank you for link and info.

my natural instinct is not to report anything

Mine too, I think people should see who these people are. But they are completely obstructing conversations from happening - every attempt to move on is blocked.

I try and ignore them and I can see others doing that too but if not everyone does it then the discussion just keeps going round in circles. So the choice seems to be:

• let them show themselves but never get to have a conversation undisputed
  
• report them and get accused of being an echo chamber
  

I think I'm at the point I'd rather report them, I'm sick of listening to pricks dicking around.

[thebewilderness]

www.mumsnet.com/info/netiquette

[thebewilderness]

This is the one that applies to the derailers.
"No trolling, misleading or deliberately inflammatory behaviour"

[AngryAttackKittens]

See this is where I struggle, because my natural instinct is not to report anything other than threats and blatant trolling. Presumably they know this based on the fact that most of us never do report the "you're evil!" stuff and are counting on us not reporting it.

[JoanSummers]

that one poster just takes over and the thread becomes all about them

Is this reportable? I mean does this break any MN rules that I can report for? Because the constant disrupting of women's conversation is driving me nuts.

[thebewilderness]

The thing that puzzled me is that the transgender advocates did not seem to grasp that the new rules applied to them too.
That thread is chockablock with item #3 from the new rules and the women are so used to having those accusations made against them here every day that they do not seem to realize they are no longer allowed.

1. Sweeping negative generalisations about any group, including trans people and gender-critical feminists, won’t be tolerated.

[smashyourglasses]

Shameful @MumsnetHQ. Lower than a pig's arsehole, infact.

[Picassospaintbrush]

Jeez that thread is hilarious bewilderness.

I honestly have not altered a word in a post so far and actually I think the quality of the debate has improved without all the tit for tat. Probably an unfortunate choice of words there but you get my drift. I am going to dream of bewilderness sailing her boat tonight.

[thebewilderness]

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/3279359-MNHQ-I-hope-you-know-there-are-some-of-us-who-fully-agree-with-your-new-rules

[MyRelationshipIsWeird]

All shall be well, and all shall be well and all manner of thing shall be well.

[Picassospaintbrush]

Everything will be fine.