A list of the sex acts banned today in the UK porn industry.

[ClawHandsIfYouBelieveInFreaks]

Spanking

Caning

Aggressive whipping

Penetration by any object "associated with violence"

Physical or verbal abuse (regardless of if consensual)

Urolagnia (known as "water sports")

Female ejaculation

Strangulation

Facesitting

Fisting


A link to the article in The Independent which explains more.

The newspaper claims that the "measures seem to take aim at female pleasure" and that they're "arbitrary" choices to make....I'm not sure what part of the list other than female ejaculation is synonymous with female pleasure though!

The writer is scathing about the bans.

Although veiwers in the UK will be able to continue to watch pornography including the above, it will no longer be legal to make such films here.

[PuffinsAreFictitious]

and why do all these weird men who come on here @ people when they froth?

Bit of a red flag in a poster to be fair.

[SolidGoldBrass]

People who think BDSM is inherently 'morally objectionable' are like people who think that one brand of imaginary friend is true and all the others wrong - biased dimwits.
If we start with the idea that we own our own bodies and get to choose for ourselves whether we risk the wellbeing of those bodies by taking up hang-gliding, ballet, potholing, kickboxing, extreme piercing or erotic asphyxiation, then it becomes easier to see what rules/regulations/laws ought to be in place. There should be a ban on coercion and deciet WRT porn performance, just as there should be a ban on coercion and deceit as applied to any other activity. People who have minority sexual tastes should be able to indulge them with fellow enthusiasts as long as noone unwilling is involved.

[uutiric]

"I'll keep my thoughts on BDSSM to myself, as there is a woman here with far more knowledge than either you or I. "

And how on earth would you know how much knowledge I have on the topic?

[PuffinsAreFictitious]

Thanks for the pa SGB. I think. Like I said, I'll be keeping my opinions to myself, but feel free to project whatever beliefs you like onto me.....

[PuffinsAreFictitious]

uu... still not answering the question then. Good good, so in keeping with your mystique

[FloraFox]

Inflicting violence, degradation or abuse on others is morally objectionable regardless of consent and regardless of whether I am personally involved. There is no bias nor dimwittery involved in that statement. I'm not going to make an analogy with some other moral situation. You either believe human beings are worthy of dignity and freedom from abuse, or you don't.

[SolidGoldBrass]

I believe human beings are entitled to freedom of choice and the full use of their imaginations, as long as they play their chosen games with people who are equally enthusiastic participants.

[WillkommenBienvenue]

I wholeheartedly agree with Florafox on this one. Human dignity is what this is about. If you want to degrade yourself and others solid, do it in private, one to one. It doesn't need to be filmed, broadcast or shared in any other way.

[FloraFox]

Role-playing the suffering and torture endured by real people for the sake of an orgasm is distasteful and morally objectionable. It degrades those involved and disrespects those whose real life experience is the basis of your fantasy. It doesn't belong in the public sphere.

[WetAugust]

I read in one if the broadsheets that the reason fir banning some sex acts was to 'regularise' what could be bought on DVD with what could be sourced elsewhere.

weird, unenforceable, and if it has been done for so-called commercial reasons then it's something that Parliament should be staying away from

[TheFriar]

Tbh if you look at porn, how many scenes do you have where women are looking like they are in pain? I mean real pain, not the made up one done for a film?
So many, so many of them.
And that's just with 'accepted ways' for porn.
If we don't want to allow inflicting pain on porn, then there is much more to do.

I agree with pp about the fact it's making some acts looking like the norm such as anal sex. As such I don't have an issue if you could see what is happening before the act, the preparation.
It's the idea that every woman should like it, that it's easy and painless whatever the circumstances, that it's clean that I have an issue with.
I have the same issue with deep throat.
I remember watching some porn as a young adult (so about 20 years ago) what was considered hard core is now main stream. Which also shows how we get used to violent acts. The same way that we are used to it on 'normal' TV.

[SolidGoldBrass]

But the whole point of the thread, originally, and of all the feminist objections to the list of banned stuff, is that this change in the law is leaving the most heteronormative, male-dominant porn alone and mainly targeting the stuff that features women in the dominant role and/or having orgasms. A lot of the porn producers objecting to this legislation are women who produce ethical/feminist/transgressive porn - Pandora Blake, Itziko Urrutiar, Nimue Allen etc.
A woman sitting on a man's face is banned now because of possible choking hazards, but a woman gagging and choking on a penis is still acceptable under the new regulations. That's why this law is not remotely feminist.

[TheFriar]

It's obvious that this law doesn't make sense at all. Regardless if it's just widening a rule/law already in place or not.

[AgaPanthers]

There is no list. This whole thing was made up by some twat at the Independent. Totally fabricated.

[almondcakes]

We have been told, numerous times, on this thread, that this list is an attack on women and gay people by law makers.

The list is not law at all. It is a fabrication created and circulated by pro porn people.

If people genuinely believe this list is an attack on women and gay people, could you now please justify why pro porn have created a fabricated attack on us? It seems morally indefensible to me (perhaps even morally objectionable!)

And in line with your conspiracy based arguments about the timing of the (fabricated) 'law', could you explain why this fabricated list has been circulated by pro porn people so soon after the banning of a very profitable type of porn that women campaigned against - revenge porn?

Or is that the two events are connected? And pro porn people felt under threat after public support for banning of revenge porn, so made up this list to deflect attention away from the real legal protection we have gained?

[almondcakes]

'I believe human beings are entitled to freedom of choice and the full use of their imaginations, as long as they play their chosen games with people who are equally enthusiastic participants.'


Except that may not be what BDSM is. If it was, why are 'sex positive feminists' leaving BDSM to set up role queer communities and stating that they are retroactively withdrawing consent they gave when part of the BDSM community?

[AgaPanthers]

There are laws, specifically the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008, which say:

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2008/4/section/63

"An image falls within this subsection if it portrays, in an explicit and realistic way, any of the following—
(a)an act which threatens a person's life,
(b)an act which results, or is likely to result, in serious injury to a person's anus, breasts or genitals,
(c)an act which involves sexual interference with a human corpse, or
(d)a person performing an act of intercourse or oral sex with an animal (whether dead or alive),and a reasonable person looking at the image would think that any such person or animal was real.
"

There are also various laws relating to child pornography.

And then there is the Obsecene Publications Act 1959, which provides

'For the purposes of this Act an article shall be deemed to be obscene if its effect or (where the article comprises two or more distinct items) the effect of any one of its items is, if taken as a whole, such as to tend to deprave and corrupt persons who are likely, having regard to all relevant circumstances, to read, see or hear the matter contained or embodied in it.'

There is however NO list of sex acts that are not allowed, such as female ejaculation, or face sitting or whatever other nonsense - it was more to do with the porn industry shoving itself in our face.

[Julietee]

I would like to assure a poster upthread (TheFriar, I think?) that if you're filming BDSM porn in the UK it is most certainly not for the money, which is shockingly poor, but for the love of BDSM. Therefore participants filming here are really unlikely to actually not be consenting and doing it for the money. And yes, obviously I speak from experience.

In fact, the most extreme S&M scenes I've filmed have also been the most respecful and boundaried. Ironically, by pushing filming these sorts of scenes out of the UK, women performers will actually be in more danger from unscrupulous and abusive producers.

Obviously, I completely agree with what SolidGoldBrass is saying (and actually I've worked with Nimue Allen!).
I really, really object to being told my sexuality is morally objectionable.

[SolidGoldBrass]

So how many of you made it down to the face-sitting outside Westminster|?

[YonicSleighdriver]

Sorry, SGB, I was washing my pubic hair...

[WetAugust]

Some really funny pictures of it on Twitter

[BreakingDad77]

I don't get how face sitting is claimed to be bad, is it just the asphyxiation side?

[YonicSleighdriver]

Yes, BD, it's where it links to asphyxiation.