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What's your number 1 feminist ishoo?

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ladyblablah · 06/11/2014 10:25

I know there are so many, but which is the one that gets your goat

Mine is women wasting their lives, careers, self esteem and potential in shit marriages with shit men.

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mimithemindfull · 06/11/2014 20:49

AF nope I can't do it either .. Too much to be hacked off about although I do agree Capitalism is the root of many evils....
Damsilli I totaly agree with Zazzels and Petula. Also had to smile at your post earlier this afternoon re your comment 'no 1' . ironic since you accused me and others of pedantry on a recent thread re reporting of rape!!

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howtodrainyourflagon · 06/11/2014 21:01

For me it's sanitation issues. Women in India who don't have access to toilets and have to hold it in from dawn to dusk because they'll be assaulted if they dare to urinate outside during daylight hours. Girls who have to give up school when their periods start due to menstruation taboos and lack of sanitary products.

Then there's fgm.

Then housework. And the fact that barbie dolls don't just skew girls' views on female images but boys too.

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HurlyBurghley · 06/11/2014 21:01

This will seem so trivial compared to most things here, but what really gets my goat day in day out, is that men think it's perfectly acceptable to fall asleep on the sofa at any hour of the day. I see this with DH, my dad, my uncles, my friends' DHs, dads etc. Women are always too busy doing stuff.

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JugglingFromHereToThere · 06/11/2014 21:23

That's rather shocking of EasyJet micah - someone must have messed up there - surely it can't be actual company policy that any female doctors be "told off" for not declaring themselves as female (when not even asked to do so) Very strange

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mimithemindfull · 06/11/2014 21:27

Hurly I think this is a good illustration of the assumption of male privilege in real life and not trivial at all. I work my buns off all day every day ( other than now obvs! ) and have never ever had a crafty nap when other folk are busy. I would like to know when was the last time any one posting here had time to themselves and didn't feel guilty about it

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bigkidsdidit · 06/11/2014 21:30


I had a crafty nap when DH did bath time yesterday Grin
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OnIlkleyMoorBahTwat · 06/11/2014 21:34

They ask your gender at online check in for small turbo prop planes, where it must matter more than for jumbos.

I assume they use an average weight for men and women. They also make you stay in your assigned seat for take off and landing, even if there are spare sears, but they sometimes ask people to move, perhaps if they notice a few large people on one side of the plane.

Unacceptable though to assume all Drs are men though.

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OnIlkleyMoorBahTwat · 06/11/2014 21:36

Men seem to think they can go off and do their hobbies too without worrying about looking after their DCs.

How many mothers in comparison will just assume they can spend evenings and weekends doing their own thing.

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mimithemindfull · 06/11/2014 21:41

Yep exactly ilkley. Good for you bigkids!

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stargirl1701 · 06/11/2014 21:47

Violence in relationships. I am both shocked and depressed when I read Relationship threads here. It is stunning what a woman can come to perceive as normal.

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Moln · 06/11/2014 21:52

My biggest bugbear has to be that when a woman speaks up against or points out sexism it is belittled (by either making out she has no sense of humour or that it's simply not an issue)

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AnnieLobeseder · 06/11/2014 22:19

That point about men taking naps while women are busy reminds me. I was watching my stepmum knitting while watching TV the other week, and it got me thinking. Even though these days knitting, crocheting, doing tapestries etc aren't essential and women do them as a hobby, it still strikes me that it's women being busy even during their leisure time. Like it's so ingrained in us that we should always be engaged in some useful task that sometimes we can't even relax in front of the TV in the evening unless we are also actively doing something with our hands.

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PetulaGordino · 06/11/2014 22:26

That is a massive thing annie. I do the same thing. It has been instilled in me that I cannot be "idle". It was much discussed when I has ED therapy.

It's also not just keeping hands busy. It's productive hobbies, which can make clothes and presents and decorate the house. But can be done whilst the children are in bed without needing a babysitter, and can be tidied away without taking up too much space apart from stash in loft

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SundaeGirl · 06/11/2014 22:33
  1. Pornography

  2. Equal Pay

    Also) And people changing their working name to their new husband's. This shouldn't annoy me as much as it does, I admit. But it just does. I don't get annoyed about name change in general, or Mr & Mrs Fred on envelopes, just professional name change. Y'know, you worked for that name, got exams for that name, got respect for that name etc, don't subjugate that achievement.
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Hazchem · 07/11/2014 05:29

For me at the moment it's birth, partly because I'm gestating at the moment, partly as I'm still hacked off of DS birth because of my poor treatment. However when I start to unravel why birth is important it rolls into much bigger issues, bodily autonomy, sexism, lack of belief in women's bodies, disempowering female knowledge, lack of importance place on women's experience, violence against women, consent, service provision, choice, etc and those things are what fucks me off about our society in general.

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skolastica · 07/11/2014 06:07

The fact that, in staying at home to bring up my children, that this work is not valued at all, and therefore, neither was I.

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HurlyBurghley · 07/11/2014 06:44

Definitely Annie! My mum is always knitting - blankets for charity at that. Knitting needles are now banned on planes, she was horrified when they went on a long flight and she had nothing to do!

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YonicScrewdriver · 07/11/2014 07:21

Globally - that girls in many places are still excluded from activities/society when menstruating, limiting access to education etc.

Nationally - the attitude amongst many that as women can "choose" to have children, they should suck up anything that arises from this choice like pregnancy, birth, childcare issues.

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TonightTonight · 07/11/2014 07:49

It's the myth that none of these problems exist and that women have achieved equality; particularly the insidious idea that feminism is about choice - and everyone has absolute agency.

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redwarf · 07/11/2014 07:53

sexism - vawg

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YonicScrewdriver · 07/11/2014 07:58

A sneaky extra one... That casual sexism is still tolerated where casual racism or homophobia wouldn't be- eg a phone in about whether having a female pilot would bother passengers - a similar question with black or gay would simply not be asked.

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redwarf · 07/11/2014 08:06

and sanitation

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RabbitOfNegativeEuphoria · 07/11/2014 08:06

I'm not suggesting this is the number 1 issue - but heart disease in women is a massive massive thing. And it's not given the prominence in medical research that it should be - there's a genuine difference between the sexes in how it presents and what the triggers are and yet most of the research, detection and reaction focus is on make heart disease. This is one of the reasons why it's the number one killer of women in many countries (I'm not sure if it is the number one killer in the world). It's tied in with issues that affect both men and women but certainly the focus on the male issues wrt this is a feminist issue. I'd say.

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Justwhateverreally · 07/11/2014 09:44

The impact that the Internet is having on people's sexuality and how it is expressed. It is far far easier to access porn now, and the type of porn accessed is becoming much nastier. Really dangerously misogynist stuff is becoming 'normal' and filtering through into mainstream media like TV and music videos. And people are accessing this stuff at such young ages. It shapes what they think is normal and what is expected of them, and it is primarily women who will suffer because of this.
I also think it is driving a culture among young men of public shaming and aggression, for example gamergate.
And anything a young woman puts online or communicates privately that is ill-advised (naked pics for example) is almost impossible for them to get away from in future. I fear that a lot of young people will be negatively affected in their careers and later lives because of stuff they did when they were younger, we haven't really reached that point yet.

I'm rambling. I guess I could sum it up as - firstly, the mainstreaming of previously niche, dangerously misogynistic sexual tastes, and secondly, the erosion of privacy by technology.

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Morrigu · 07/11/2014 09:57

I had never thought of it in that way Rabbit. Not heart disease but many years ago DM presented symptoms, severe pain across the top of her back and sore jaw, feeling dizzy and unwell and I distinctly remember saying to her that could be her heart as I'd read about the different symptoms women get compared to men. Next day still unwell she rang the male gp and was told it was nothing Angry. Fast forward a few hours later and ddad rushed her to hospital knowing something wasn't right. She was told there if she had waited any longer she would have had a massive heart attack as she had an unknown heart defect. There definitely is a need for promotion of education regarding heart issues and women.

Another one for me is how single mothers are looked down upon yet single fathers are often regarded as heroes. We are both doing the same 'job' so why the difference in attitudes?

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