What do you all think about male circumcision?

[Zippy1111]

Please hear me out instead of dismissing this post as a "whiny MRA post"

To be more specific male circumcision done on baby boys and young boys for non-medical reasons?

I am personally against it for these reasons:

-The foreskin is a part of the body and everyone should have the right to an intact body

-Babies cannot give consent

-The foreskin is full of nerves. Removal means less pleasure from sex/masturbation. The glans of the penis eventually becomes desensitized after rubbing against clothing instead of being kept lubricated by the foreskin.

-Last Nov a baby boy in Manchester bled to death after being circumcised (for medical reasons)

If it is to be done, I believe it is best for the boy to make the decision for himself when he becomes old enough

[SirBoobAlot]

I think the men suffering the long term damage, mental and physical, of circumcision would disagree that it is less barbaric.

[SirBoobAlot]

And what about the women that are too frightened to report a rape because of fear of not being believed / accused of lying?

There are more of those women than there are men who have been wrongly accused.

Both are wrong, but you can't say that men need more rights when that is a fear women live in every day.

[FastidiaBlueberry]

Oh stop with the bullshit about MRA's, the Southern Law Centre has named them as hate groups and they don't do that lightly.

There's a reason they are recognised for what they are.

[FloraFox]

I think the millions of men who are highly successful and powerful and quite capable of having sex and reproducing without tearing themselves apart would agree that it is less barbaric.

Zippy those issues are not caused by a matriarchal society and are therefore not equivalent to feminism. Why is it that MRAs can't just campaign for whatever social issues they feel strongly about without jumping all over feminist campaigns or women's issues? It seems like either MRAs want women to do the campaigning for them ("you're a feminist so you must be against [x thing that has fuck all to do with feminism] and you must do something about it") or these things get raised to silence women's campaigns (e.g. rape / false allegations).

[runningforthebusinheels]

Rape destroys many, many more womens' lives, Zippy, than false accusations of rape ruin mens' lives. Do you have any women in your life? 1 in 4 women statistically will be a victim of serious sexual assault in her lifetime.

In fact, the men in our lives are statistically more likely to be raped by another man, than to be falsely accused of rape.

Funny how we've moved sylphlike on to false accusations of rape, now. Any other subjects you want to cover?

[FloraFox]

So what do you call someone who is interested in both men and women issues? What about an equalist?

When equality is even remotely on the horizon, these issues will be redundant. Until then, only feminists are equalists because feminists are trying to achieve something that does not currently exist (equality). "Men's issues" are not about equality between the sexes.

[VisualiseAHorse]

Would you do it to a baby girl?

[VisualiseAHorse]

Sorry, meant to say...
Would you do it to a baby girl? Would you chop a piece of skin off her genitals for religious resons? I'm guessing no. So why do it to a boy?

[FloraFox]

Eh? Do what?

[HecateWhoopass]

Can I just ask - was this ever actually about male circumcision or did I just totally waste my time contributing when the intention was not to actually discuss what was outlined in the OP but to engineer some sort of attack or fight, hence moving on when circumcision didn't do it?

[FloraFox]

I'll leave that one for the people on this thread who were advocating circumcision ie nobody

[HecateWhoopass]

I was talking about the intention of the OP.

[WorriedTeenMum]

I have never understood why it is done for religious purposes. Surely it is an impertinence, a way of saying that God (whichever one) got the human design wrong and left what? A bit of sprue? Like an Airfix model?

If I was a God I would definitely be smiting for implying that I got the build wrong.

[WhichIsBest]

I am entirely in favour of male circumcision because there is evidence that it reduces rates of cervical cancer in women.



(I really only said that to try to make smoke come out of some MRA fellow's ears somewhere out there. MRAs are sooooo tedious.)

[AmandaPayne]

Hectate - No, I don't think it was ever actually about male circumcision. Though it doesn't mean your post was wasted. I had no idea that the sort of issues coming up in your family still happened these days. A number of people have said that. So we've learned something which is important about a human rights issue. That's more worthwhile than a lot of posts on MN (my own very much included)

[FloraFox]

Sorry Hecate that was for VisualiseAHorse not you.

[SolidGoldBrass]

Zippy: there are organisations campaigning to help the homeless and and indeed cure prostate cancer. Just like there are organisations campaigning to stop vivisection/save the NHS/promote global peace. People support and work for one or more organisations, depending on their particular priorities, but generally people working on (for instance) saving children in the developing world do not expect to be interrupted and told to divert their energies to fundraising for a donkey sanctuary - or vice versa. Feminism is for and about women, so while most if not all feminists would deplore non-medically-necessary male circumcision (as does anyone who isn't a superstitious idiot), feminists are not going to prioritize it as a campaign or a cause.

[FastidiaBlueberry]

Norty Whichisbest

[RowanMumsnet]

Hello

I'm afraid we've discovered, rather late in the day, that this OP is a poster who's been banned and re-banned many, many times.

We've deleted most of the OP's posts (other than the first one as then we might as well delete entire thread) but inclined to leave thread standing as a discussion.

Sorry for being slow on the uptake on this one.

[runningforthebusinheels]

Thanks Rowan.

These pesky MRA types must just love us so much - they can't keep away

[FastidiaBlueberry]

Imagine my surprise...

He'll be back tomorrow.

[seeker]

He's back already, I suspect.....

[TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub]

Thanks Rowan.