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What are you watching & reading? Will you do the Beshdel Test on it?

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Seabright · 24/01/2013 23:32

I have been trying to apply the Beshdel Test to what I've been watching lately.

The wiki entry in the link above explains more, but basically to pass the Beshdel Test a work of fiction must have:

A) At least two female characters
B) Who Talk to each other
C) About something other than a man

This evening I have watched:

  1. Rizzoli & Isles - pass, just
  2. The Good Wife - pass


And I'm reading an Ian Rankin novel at the moment (yes, my choice of tv and books is pretty limited - crime & murder!) which so far fails, but I'm only part way through.
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AmandaPayne · 25/01/2013 12:11

I have just finished reading Night Waking by Sarah Moss, which passes easily - even though the narrator spends most of her time on an island with only her husband and two young male children for company.

Also just read Life, Death and Vanilla slices by Jenny Eclair. Which I am 99% sure passed. The three central characters were all female. And Run by Ann Patchett, which passes.

I am carrying out an experiment, inspired by SGM on these boards to just read books written by women for a few months. Very refreshing!

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NotGoodNotBad · 25/01/2013 12:28

Yeah, Joan, The Hobbit doesn't stand a chance! Watched it in the cinema, and then DD2 asked who was my favourite character. I said Galadriel, as she was the only woman (in 3 hours or so). She gets about 5 min on screen I think. One of the kids pointed out there was a female hobbit early on, who even had a speaking part, she says something like "Good luck." Hmm

DD2 said her favourite character was the pony Myrtle - who after all is a female...

DH said there must be female dwarves, elves and orcs somewhere in order to reproduce, but I'm not so sure Confused.

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UptoapointLordCopper · 25/01/2013 13:04

In one of the Tolkien books it was explained (perhaps by a dwarf) that female dwarves look so much like male dwarves (or is it the other way round Hmm) that "people" often assumed that dwarves don't reproduce in the traditional way (!?) but are born of the earth.

Do I win a prize for remembering the most useless things I read? Grin

Or was that in the movies!? Anyway.

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StephaniePowers · 25/01/2013 13:19

I feel a bit sorry for The Master, since it's all about a very very controlling man and his mad cult of acolytes: surely no two people would have been permitted to talk about anything other than HIM? Grin

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meditrina · 25/01/2013 13:22

Right now: watching Tracey Beaker (with poorly DC) - pass
Rereading the Peabody series of Egyptological murders (Elizabeth Peters) - pass

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oranges · 25/01/2013 13:26

Reading Freedom by Jonathan Franzen. Pass

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MrsGeologist · 25/01/2013 13:27

TheDoctrine, Evie and the Queen talked about the dogs, so today's episode did indeed pass.

Mike the Knight is an odious little turd though, which cancels out any Bechdel test passes, I think.

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harrietspy · 25/01/2013 13:30

I'm reading Are You My Mother by Alison Bechdel. Passing test so far. Grin

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AmandaPayne · 25/01/2013 13:41

I think I have seen you talking about that one on your blog. I must put it on my list.

I am currently working away at my new local library (just moved) so going for books by authors I have enjoyed previously (Ann Patchett - I enjoyed Bel Canto. Although I couldn't be sure it passes, but for plot reasons very few on the characters can actually talk to one another as they don't speak the same language. I'd have to go back and look. And also see whether conversations through a male translator count!). Also, random books that seem light or just jump out at me from the shelves.

I have a couple of Atwoods coming up, which I would hope would pass. I just lurve her . I read 'The Year of the Flood' just before Christmas, which again would pass easily - and hence where I got my current name.

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greenhill · 25/01/2013 13:46

'Call the Midwife' failed because they were talking about abusive partners / prostitution and the doctor needing a button sewn on his coat by a woman because his wife had died. Odd. Considering it is marketed as being about babies, it is actually about the misery women find themselves in as caused by men.

Does listening to something count? The comedy series 'Clare in the Community' on R4 was a massive argument between Clare and Nali exploiting her previous role as the family nanny to Thomas, so failed.

Yet last weeks episode was about how Helen was committing massive fraud in relation to expenses, so passed as Helen and Clare were talking about work. Any male characters that talk to one another are normally talking about their relationships with women too.

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greenhill · 25/01/2013 13:55

sgm for the last 20 years I have only read novels by women or gay men (unless reading crime fiction), but in the last year I have started to read male writers again and have not been enjoying reading anywhere near as much as I used to. It may be time to give up on my heterosexual male writer experiment.

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ThreeBeeOneGee · 25/01/2013 20:40

Grin at harrietspy

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Schooldidi · 25/01/2013 20:57

I'm watching room 101 and it passes this week but often doesn't.

Earlier today I watched Charmed - pass, The big bang theory - pass but not in the first series I think.

I'm reading Magic Bleeds by Ilona Andrews - passes easily.

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JustAHolyFool · 25/01/2013 21:10

But how can Room 101 pass or fail? There's only one person on it a week isn't there? And they're always talking to a bloke?

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Schooldidi · 25/01/2013 21:12

Not any more, there are 3 guests who battle it out to get their thing put into room 101. Today there were 2 women as guests and they were debating which of their things should go in, so it passed. When there are 2 men and only 1 woman as guests then it fails.

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DiegaMartinez · 25/01/2013 21:21

Reading A Place of Greater Safety by Hilary Mantel. I think it fails. Which means Wolf Hall would fail too. Bit of a surprise.

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feministefatale · 25/01/2013 21:34

Wordgirl Passes with flying colours.

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drjohnsonscat · 25/01/2013 21:36

It's no coincidence that she won the Booker for books written in a man's voice which comprehensively fail the test. I love the books but hate the Booker.

I'm not reading anything atm due to lack of inspiration but I can identify the worst failure in film in 2012. Killing Them Softly. Hundreds of men. One unnamed woman in the entire 100 minute saga. She plays, guess what, a hooker. Honestly I don't know how they convince themselves this is ok.

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ImNotDrunkIJustCantType · 25/01/2013 21:39

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feministefatale · 25/01/2013 21:40

Parks and recreation yesterday which not only passed but had a specifically feminist plot and 30 rock yesterday passed too.

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feministefatale · 25/01/2013 21:43

oh and i watched ashes to ashes last night which i am pretty sure passed too

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badguider · 25/01/2013 21:46

I don't think there's a Rankin book that will pass as all his main characters are always male and the minor characters don't talk to each other much.

I'm reading a book about sailing in the caribbean - the female in the sailing couple often talks to local women about food and cooking.
And I'm watching Bones, where two female characters often talk about the case.

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NeverKnowinglyUnderstood · 25/01/2013 21:47

silent witness..
kind of passes.

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ArbitraryUsername · 25/01/2013 21:59

I'm reading specials (the third book in Scott westerfield's uglies series). It fails. The first book in the series would pass as the two main characters are female and they talk to each other about all sorts of stuff that isn't boys (it's teen fiction). I think the subsequent books in the series fail because the talk is generally about boys (sometimes slightly obliquely but the plot is driven by the main character wanting to get her boyfriend made into a 'special' so they can be together/she won't be repulsed by him any more). They do talk about other stuff too, but mostly it's all about how boys have come between them.

We're watching American restoration. Unsurprisingly it fails. There are no women in it at all.

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