poster campaign aimed at men cuts rape rate by 10%

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in canada

i wish we did this here rather than the terrified woman as prey animal graphic with doomy text about how the onus is on you to prevent your own rape

ps canada i love you

that is v interesting, xenia about turkey. in my darker moments i wonder if women should be issued with guns and ammo at birth here

the alternative would be a world where women were actually and for real percieved as human, with all the attendant rights to bodily integrity, and not seen as some sort of intersting adjunct to the real people, men.

Who has actively denied anything?

You don't want us to talk about the group the poster was aimed at which is the biggest group of perpetrators and victims ie male on female. So who's denying things?

MNHQ have also sent me that post and it doesn't mention anyone by name. Which makes sense as it wasn't aimed at any single person.

CatherineMacauley

I may have to use that it is quite amusing.

SQ

"You don't want us to talk about the group the poster was aimed at which is the biggest group of perpetrators and victims ie male on female. So who's denying things?"

Perhaps you could point me to where exactly I said anything of the sort?

In fact, I've said that it should be talked about multiple times. You are the one who wants me to stop talking about rape victims, by claiming that in doing so I am somehow trying to silence you.

This campaign was a series of posters put up in male bathrooms of bars and other places where young people gather. It was a campaign aimed at men. There would have been no point in referring to female perpetrators because women would not have generally seen the posters.

If a similar campaign was set up that was aimed at preventing women commiting crime and placed in women's toilets, it would no doubt have to explode different stereotypes and be advertised in a different way.

So there is no reason to take issue with this campaign for not being more inclusive. Sexual abuse with victims or perpetrators from other groups would require other types of campaign because the context is different.

If you want money to be spent on campaigns about female rapists rather than male rapists, and you dislike this campaign as it shows a potential assailant who is male and a potential victim who is female, well then I don't know how else to take that.

There is a limited pot of funds for the general public for this type of thing and at the moment male on female is concentrated on. Male on male information and support is focussed within the gay community and places like schools where there might be vulnerable people who do not know where to access help. For child victims there are different methods again.

To say that campaigns of this type which are not targeted should focus on women who rape, is to focus on a tiny group to the detriment of a much larger one.

And I don't understand why anyone who calls themself a feminist would want to do that.

That is a good point - it's been that long since i read the article that i forgot the context for the posters

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This campaign was a series of posters put up in male bathrooms of bars and other places where young people gather

That is a shame. I thought maybe it was a wider one, like those awful TFL cab driver posters.

To me, posters of this type should be up in place of the ones that are up everywhere currently telling women that they are prey and they deserve it.

I am not exclusively concerned about female rapist situations - that was perhaps clumsy wording in my first post. I think that situations other than 'male rapists, female victims' should be featured in these campaigns - i.e. female rapists, and/or male victims.

I agree with your post, but I still think that maybe 1 in a 100 campaigns could feature a non-typical situation, which would be proportionate to the statistics.

I think ClothesofSand's post was the one which was most persuasive to me about why my criticism of this campaign wasn't fair. But I still think that other campaigns should try and be proportionate in their depiction of the perpetrator/victim make up, even if that just means that one poster/campaign in a hundred is a male victim.

Yes that makes sense eccles

And now I have to turn my computer over to cbeebies for a while

I certanily think it does no harm from time to time to draw people's attention to female violence against men but there is much less of it so it is less of a problem.

On guns for girls in Turkey I learned judo as a child. My parents wanted us to have some self defence. Getting girls to be strong - both my 20 something daughters run, marathons etc and I'm pretty strong actually physically, ensuring girls are fit and effectgive not silly pretty things spending hours on make up helps them.

Last night I watched half om youtube because I have twice been to Iran on business the Stoning of Sorya M (it is all there on youtube) and felt it was as much about the risks women run when they don't have careers, pick low paid work and are reliant on men for women as as much about sexism in Islam or male violence against women.

We can certainly equip our daughters to be less likely to be victims.

I think it's probably more useful to equip our sons, not to be perpetrators.

I don't think anyone would quibble about that eccles -an education campaign which tackled the perpetrators of each victim group proportionate to the known size of the problem, would seem a sensible idea.

Let's equip them all. The planet is safer now than ever which always amazes peopkle - less violence, less war so we are certainly doing pretty well with sons and we should pat ourselves as a planet on the back for that but not get complacent.