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Did I kick her dog?

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missbattenburg · 06/04/2019 10:09

Ok, I need a bit of a rant – and maybe to be told I behaved like a dick. There are 2 labs in the village that are friendly but have poor recall. Battendog has been on a long trailing lead lately as we’re working on trying to get distracted by other dogs. In the past he and this male lab have fought over treats. All blust and no damage. Battendog can guard food/toys against other dogs and we have been working on that.

Three times in a row the male lab (followed by the female) has run up to us in the field, often bringing a stick or toy with him. The owner has taken several minutes to get to us and I have struggled with the 3 dogs all milling around by my feet. Battendog looking like he might bust with frustration trying to get the stick and the labs also jumping up around my chest as they both want the hotdogs I carry. Tense moments.

The fourth time the lab helped himself to a mouthful of hotdog and as he withdrew his head from the treat pouch, scattered loads all on the floor around us. Battendog stood like a stone, tense and ready to fight. The lab hoovered all the treats up and came back for more. By this time the female was over and also jumping up. I had muddy pay prints around the collar of my shirt when I got back to give sense of how high they jump. The owner was on her way but still a long way away and recall was not working. I had Battendog’s lead in one hand and my other covering the treats to protect them.

At this point the owner claims I kicked her dog. I honestly cannot remember. What I do know is that I could not have deliberately taken aim and come onto contact with the lab with my foot with any force. It would be so out of character for me that I surely would remember it. What I can imagine doing is using my leg (both hands taken) to keep him away – maybe by raising the leg, maybe by using the side of the calf to push him, maybe by pushing my foot out to try and block him, maybe stepping forward onto that foot in a deliberate manner to try and block or cause him to step back. I definately remember swearing at him and telling him loudly and forcefully to get down.

Today I tried to approach her (we see each other often) thinking we might be able to talk it out. She basically had a go at me, saying my behaviour was “outrageous” and that there was no reason for me to go around kicking other people’s dogs.

I feel so shit about it. It’s a small village and I would hate to think anyone round here thought I was hurting dogs. Have I been a dick?

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Bookworm4 · 06/04/2019 15:03

The lab owner is in the wrong, she will be well aware of her dogs atrocious behaviour and is trying to deflect by blaming you. Jumping to shoulder height is unacceptable and potentially dangerous. Labs only mouth not bite is possibly the most ridiculous things I've read!! Of course they bite all dogs can, this misconception of friendly safe breeds needs to stop. I'm surprised if her dog has health issues that he's off lead, she sounds a right muppet.

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ABC1234DEF · 06/04/2019 15:07

I stand to be corrected but my understanding is that labs tend not to bite but mouth, even when they are boisterous

All dogs are capable of biting (even those without teeth!). Labradors top the list of breeds responsible for most dog bite injurie to humans and personal injury claims year after year

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OverFedStanley · 06/04/2019 16:09

I look at my interactions with humans in the same way as I train dogs- probably not the right way to go but hey ho Smile

What behaviour do I want to achieve? No interaction with the ladies dogs.

How can I achieve that? Keep out of her way Grin you will not change her, you can not train her dogs, you can report her but she will not change so all you can do is keep you dogs safe and away from her.

I would be walking away from her and always keep a very big distance between her and my dogs at all times - no interaction no problem

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BiteyShark · 06/04/2019 16:14

I think she sees the wide open countryside we live in and thinks it would be lovely if all the dogs could run free and play and interact with each other.

Arghhh I hate this especially as my dog only wants to play with me when we are out together and gets fed up when I take away his ball if another dog comes up as they tend to steal it.

Maybe I just need to chalk this one up to experience and accept I am probably going to get the cold shoulder and a few dirty looks if we pass in the street now.

I would declare that as a result Grin

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missbattenburg · 06/04/2019 16:18

Yes, you are all right. Grin Thanks very much to everyone who has answered - it has at least helped put my mind at rest that I am not some forgetful dog kicking fiend.

If any of you want to recognise me in the future - I shall be the one with her nose in the air, walking in the opposite direction to two bouncy labs. I'll also be the one with a hide as thick as a rhino's. I shall just have to rely on my decent reputation in the village to withstand the tales she will tell about me to others...

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FrangipaniBlue · 06/04/2019 16:21

FrangipaniPup has zero recall around other dogs, for that reason he is kept firmly on the lead.

If he's off leash and I see someone approach with another dog on a lead I clip him back in.

The only time he is unleashed and allowed to approach another dog is if the other dog is also off leash AND I have confirmed with the owner they are happy for me to "let him go"

My absolute pet hate is uncontrolled dogs running up to me when he is on his lead. He goes crazy wanting to play but at 20kg (only 7 month old) he can pull me off my feet!

YWNBU even if you had kicked the sodding dogs away Angry

(And I say this as someone who had words with a fellow dog owner only yesterday because she attempted to kick FrangipaniPup for doing nothing more than sniffing and wagging his bum at her precious little handbag dog Angry)

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missbattenburg · 06/04/2019 16:22

FrangipaniPup

I just said this out loud and it made me giggle Grin

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FrangipaniBlue · 06/04/2019 16:23

GrinGrin

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Greyhound22 · 06/04/2019 16:37

You'll probably find she has the reputation in the village and that everyone crosses the road when they see her and the ill mannered labs approach....

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SecretNutellaFix · 06/04/2019 16:49

I think she sees the wide open countryside we live in and thinks it would be lovely if all the dogs could run free and play and interact with each other.

I hope you don't have sheep in the fields around you because if they are out of control in a sheep field then the farmer whose sheep they are has the right to shoot the dogs on sight.

She's the sort of person who gives owners of big dogs a bad name. My neighbour has 2 young Labradors. They're big, loud and friendly. and are always on lead when in an unsecured area. Precisely because they ARE big, loud and friendly and see new people and dogs as their bestest buddies in the whole wide world and want to love them. She always has them under control.

Good work on trying to train your dog to be well behaved in public.

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Flobochin · 06/04/2019 17:00

Control you bloody ddogs or I will take measures to keep it off my person. If that means kick him away then so be it!!
Bloody cf owner imo!!
Your ddog was very controlled btw!! My Lurchers would have spontaneously combusted!!


Agree with this; keep dogs under control or leash them. I have smallish dogs and get pissed off with out of control dogs being a bloody nuisance. If a dog won't come to you on recall, it's out of control.

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fivedogstofeed · 06/04/2019 18:20

She should be absolutely mortified that her dogs jumped on you. To shoulder height ffs?
If they did that to someone less steady in their feet or less dog loving than you she'd have the police round. Angry

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pigsDOfly · 06/04/2019 19:10

She's one of those owners isn't she?

You do not have to tolerate her large dog's leaping all over you and just stand there and let them get on with it, you have a right to defend yourself by pushing them off, both with arms and legs. I think you'd remember if you lifted your foot and kicked a dog.

I imagine that other people in the village have had runs in with her and her out of control dogs so I shouldn't worry about your reputation.

I wouldn't bother to try to talk to her again, she sounds totally unable to see that her dogs are out of control. Definitely put your nose in the air and keep as far away from her as possible.

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longearedbat · 06/04/2019 20:42

You were not in the wrong at all. I had large 3 large dogs barrel towards me and my little dog (on the lead) and it is terrifying. The owner was visible in another field but there was a hedge in the way so she couldn't see what her dogs were doing, and she didn't care either. Shouting 'Control your dogs!' just got a rather bemused look. Yes, I fended them off with my feet, but I was still covered in mud and slobber, and I had to pick my dog up because I didn't know their intentions. In the past I have also had previous little dogs attacked by loose dogs, so I am very nervous. There is nothing quite like picking up a screaming small dog which has another dog attached to its leg or body, in an attempt to stop it from getting killed. There are some evil uncontrolled dogs about.
Report her to the dog warden.

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Theoscargoesto · 07/04/2019 09:25

Hi. I think, as PP and you have said, that you may have, in the heat of the moment, tried to protect yourself, the treats and/or your dog by moving your legs in some way but I don't believe that you could have unknowingly pulled your leg back and aimed a kick at the other dog(s). So I think your conscience can be clear on that point.

I also think you were very restrained in how you acted and what you said, and that the other owner is wholly in the wrong here. It's not ok for any dog to be jumping up and ignoring its owner's attempts to recall it. Sure, that happens, but when it does the correct response is to get to you as soon as possible, grab the dogs and apologise profusely for their behaviour, not to blame you for what happened! If, as others have said, the dog had behaved this way to someone less strong (who might have been knocked over by the jumping) or less calm in your reaction, things could have been a lot more serious, and I for one commend your composure!

One thing you said though about it being a village and everyone knowing each other: I think that adds a different dimension. But I guess that woman's attitude is well known and what will also be known is how you behave to your dog and around other dogs, and that you would not, and did not, hurt her dogs.

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