Jade Goody Programme on channel 4

[Witchofzog]

I was never a big fan of hers but this show is making me feel very sad. Jade was in her own way quite vulnerable and naive and she was treated horribly by the press. She did some stupid things on camera including stripping off (though the other contestants made no effort to tell her it wasn't the best idea and that awful Kate whatsherface looked positively gleeful) but I feel for her more now than I did then.

And to think she was so full of life and was taken so young is just heart breaking

[QueenofmyPrinces]

I just watched the final episode and found it very sad. I was in tears a few times.

What she did in CBB was awful and there’s no excuse for what she did and she should never be excused from it. However, watching a young woman die like that and her have to be faced with the prospect of leaving behind her two young boys is heartbreaking.

I have a 5 year old and a 2 year old and I don’t know how I would cope if I was told I had terminal cancer and wouldn’t live to see them grow up and leave them without a mother.

No matter what she did in her past she still gets my sympathies.

I just hope, that for lots of reasons, her son’s didn’t see and never do see that documentary.

[Celaeno]

[HelenaDove]

Im not minimizing her behaviour at all as the last line of my post at 1900 hours shows.


Racism is racism FULL STOP. It shouldnt matter what class the racist is percieved to be from But apparently in the UK it does


Nice try though!

[Celaeno]

HelenaDove

His excuses were accepted Jades wouldnt have been


Since she escaped criminal charges for her racist behaviour it’s impossible to know.

And yes Boris Johnson has disgusting views too.

I don’t understand the mindset of anyone who seeks to minimise jade goody’s behaviour. She was nasty and racist, and the fact that some other people are too, doesn’t change that.

[howrudeforme]

Paul Busseti is the guy mocking Grenfell tragedy?
If that’s him, it’s not about class, is it really. Read his back story and his dad was basically a nasty crook (who’s body was found in a suitcase) and he took on the mantle.

Jade was her own person but framed within the context of her awful upbringing. She was ignorant. She was brought up ignorant. I don’t worship her, but you can see how she was set up up as the ultimate ‘chav’ for our entertainment.

[HelenaDove]

Its ridiculous to pretend there arent class issues at play here.

[HelenaDove]

His excuses were accepted Jades wouldnt have been

Boris comments about piccaninnies and watermelon smiles didnt stop him from becoming PM.

[Celaeno]

Helena I’m not denying that Bussetti sounds absolutely vile. He was cleared of charges over some technical issue of evidence not being disclosed and uncertainty about who circulated the video.

My point was that it’s a strange comparison to make to try to argue that Jade was vilified more because she never faced any criminal charges over her racist behaviour, whereas he did.

Anyway racism is racism whether it’s a not very bright person from a working class background who holds those views or someone from any other background.

Jades views were disgusting.

[SandyB1]

TV at it's cheapest degrading low! quite disgusting! Leave the dead to rest in peace!

[HelenaDove]

No she wasnt But Bussetti and his friends wernt as vilified by the general public as she was.

Ive seen all sorts of mental gymnastics performed on his behalf such as the free speech card being played.

In court he got away with saying the ninja comment was nothing to do with the Grenfell residents but a nick name for his son.

Do you think people would have been so ready to believe Jade if she had said the poppadum comment wasnt about Shilpa?

And he also got away with saying the paper figures in the paper tower were NOT the Grenfell residents but him and his friends (which is how the narrative got changed that the ninja comment wasnt aimed at Grenfell residents) despite the fact that someone could/can clearly be heard that video saying "this is what happens when you dont pay your rent"

Racism is racism FULL STOP. It shouldnt matter what class the racist is percieved to be from But apparently in the UK it does!

[Celaeno]

Eh? Jade goody was never prosecuted for her racist comments.

[HelenaDove]

If only Paul Busetti and his friends were held to the same standard as Jade Goody was.

But in their case many are arguing that its only freedom of speech

Working class woman hend to higher standard than middle class man.

The hell you say.

[MorganKitten]

She was coached in the diary room about what to for tv time.
Also she was a racist. No time for that.

[Celaeno]

I’m just shocked that anyone whose seen the BB incident can deny that she was racist. She bloody well was. As were the two other girls with her.

Having a crap childhood and not being clever is no fucking excuse. Lots of people have a shitty upbringing but don’t turn into racist bullies.

I think anyone dying at her age, leaving young children is a tragedy. But please let’s not turn her into some sort of sainted figure. Her behaviour was horrible

[Honeyroar]

I watched the first episode the other day. I was never a fan of Jade at any point. She was just a fun loving, pretty stupid girl who did so well because she was just pliable for the media. It was quite an uncomfortable programme to watch. The journalists laughing were shocking (although why I’d have thought they’d have grown up and matured I don’t know!). Even the other contestants laughed at her in a kind of car crash, looking down on her way. The phone hacking and the subsequent break up of her relationship was shocking too.

I remember the CBB incident. She bloody was racist and was very much the loud mouth ring leader. Even if she “didn’t realise she was being racist” she knew she was being a nasty bully.

I was very sorry when she died. I’d have sympathy for anyone going through terminal cancer, but I was shocked at the wave of adoration that happened. The media just knew how to play her and run her life. She changed our world in a bad way, showing how stupid makes money and inspired a race to the bottom in reality tv!

[LittleSweet]

At the time I thought she'd been swept along by the other two girls. Also if you are the victim of an abusive childhood it makes your reactions more explosive and over the top. I didn't think she was racist. I thought she was under the influence of two stronger personalities and was very insecure in comparison to Shilpa, who is the opposite person to her. Shilpa had the confidence of education, money, class and beauty. Jade must have felt a sparrow in comparison to her swan.
I thought it was disgusting that Jade got most of the hate, when those other two, who had lead the situation in the first place.

[orangeblosssom]

I remember her being racist.

[Celaeno]

The vicar was a hoot. I wondered at first whether he was thinking WTAF is this all about, but actually I think he was genuinely entering into the spirit of it all.

I felt sorry for the two little boys though... they looked overawed and bewildered - which to be fair they may have done anyway at a big formal occasion, but it did make me wonder about them having cameras on them all the time.

It seems Jeff brazier has done them a real favour by keeping them out of the limelight since then. He came across as quite measured and thoughtful

[HangryPants]

The vicar was a bit of a character.

[JoxerGoesToStuttgart]

I wasn’t stating it as fact. Just a suspicion I have. It’s a discussion thread.

[Celaeno]

Well, who knows, you have no more idea than i or anyone else.

But clearly she consented because she wanted to get something out of it. That’s a simple fact which she never denied.

[JoxerGoesToStuttgart]

I strongly suspect that the idea to make as much money as possible for the boys and have a wedding and christening as part of that didn’t originate with Jade.

[Celaeno]

I don’t agree that the cameras would have been there for her last days if she didn’t want them. Yes she would have still been papped occasionally but no way would her dying days been filmed like that unless she’d asked them to. And that’s never been in question anyway: it was perfectly clear from the documentary that once she knew she was dying she made a decision to sell the baptism, wedding, and other aspects of her life to secure her sons’ futures financially.
I can’t blame her in a way- who knows how we’d react if we knew we had a few weeks left? The only part that left a bad taste in my mouth was the baptism... partly because that involved her boys, and their dad was so clearly uncomfortable with it. Also it’s purely an act to do with faith and I can’t help questioning someone who chooses to have their children baptised and sells the pictures to the press only when they know they are dying and they want to maximise their earning before they go.
But the wedding - that was something which jack as an adult consented to and imo fair enough if she wanted to make money from it. And the money was hers- no one can berate her for not giving it to charity.

[JoxerGoesToStuttgart]

And wouldn’t it have been nice if some of that money went to a cancer charity?

Oh come on! That was her money to do with as she pleased. She was leaving it to her motherless children. Yes of course she could’ve donated some but she didn’t and that’s fine too. (Personally, I think her indirect contribution to cervical cancer prevention was outstanding) the woman was told she had weeks to live, she was heavily medicated, in pain, exhausted, terrified of dying, terrified of leaving her children, trying to organise a wedding, a christening, negotiate media deals and navigate the wall of cameras that surrounded her every move (let’s face it- they’d have been there whether she wanted them or not), she was very likely in panic mode for much of her final weeks and not thinking rationally at all. let’s not start judging her for not donating to charity.

[SinisterBumFacedCat]

I think the bullying started of as inverted snobbery and descended quickly into racism. Inverted snobbery is encouraged amongst women because it keeps us in our place.

It’s very sad she lost her life so young and their sons lost their mother. But I don’t really understand the posthumous sainthood given to someone who behaved so badly so publicly.The last few weeks of media circus was as much for her craving publicity as her getting money for her children’s future. And wouldn’t it have been nice if some of that money went to a cancer charity?