Educating Yorkshire C4 9pm

[DameEdnasBridesmaid]

Am looking forward to this, RL Waterloo Rd?

[Sparklysilversequins]

I preferred Kam to Ryan tbh.

[WetAugust]

Beatback

That school was Eton compared to my DS's local comp. It really was a zoo!

I am appalled that they have an isolation unit which seems to be permanently staffed by someone. What a waste of resources.

But it's virtually impossible to permanently exclude children from State schools so the holding pen of isolation is probably the only way they can contain that disruptive element.

[timidviper]

beatback I too worry about the future of the country when I see programmes like this but I remember my grandparents saying this when I was young so I guess people have been saying that forever and a day

[PuppyMummy]

wetaugust We have an isolation room, staffed like the one there. Why is it a waste?

its a really valuable space for a pupil who has had a big behaviour issue to calm down.

It also means that if a pupil is disrupting a lesson they can be removed to somewhere else (what else would you do with them?)

It gives schools another avenue to try rather than a fixed term exclusion

It gives skilled staff a chance to work with pupils who have behaviour issues, one-one and build a relationship with them

[PuppyMummy]

and also its not 'Virtually impossible' to permenantly exclude if you have exhausted all avenues of support for that pupil and have documented evidence that you cannot meet their needs.

Isolation is not a long term 'holding area' for those at risk of permenant exclusion.
(and if it is then the school is failing its pupils).

[nennypops]

Beatback, I'm afraid you do sound old fogeyish, and the capital letters and quote marks don't help. Apart from anything else, they don't get the chance to be prefects just because they haven't been in isolation; the point is that being in isolation means they can't stand for election. They clearly have to demonstrate in other ways that they're fit for the job. Pay attention at the back!

[buss]

'in my experience disruptive students tend to have disruptive lives.

I haven't changed my view since seeing and hearing Kamrrems mum.'

What did Kammrem's mum do to support that view? How judgemental.

I like the Head and I like his approach. Obviously there is a lot that has gone on that we haven't seen.

The Head of Year 7 seemed ineffective though and who was the other woman who kept talking over her when they were both speaking to Kamrem?

[Dobbiesmum]

That was really interesting last night, it looks like Kammrem turned himself around aft his exclusion, I really hope he keeps at it. He reminds me of my DS in a way (although DS didn't get into that much trouble last year!). Bailey was a hoot and Ryan was a real character, if a little annoying..
It's interesting watching this and the documentary on Harrow school in the same week. In all honesty I think I preferred the Yorkshire school in a way. Hard to explain why though.

[beatback]

I was expecting "RITA AND SUE" to turn up with BOB waiting at the School Gates!

The very depressing thing is that at the moment on tv we have two joke Schools "BIG SCHOOL" BAD EDUCATION" one fantasy school called WATERLOO ROAD" which tries to shock, but all three schools are better schools than "THORNHILL" Waterloo Road looks by comparison like a place of higher learning.

If the television company involved wanted to show state education in a positive light why not for "Educating Yorkshire" did they not use Crossley Heath Grammar School.

Instead we have "SKY" television giving "HARROW" a free "MULTI POUND" overseas promotional campaign. This showing State Education in all the worst ways. An example of how unfortunate these kids are is that my niece thought her her best friend was a bit nice bit dim by only getting 1C "2Ds at Alevel. If only my Niece knew what "DIM REALLY IS".

[StephenFrySaidSo]

beatback why are you putting your own comments in quotation marks?

as for bailey- they didn't offer her a chance to be a prefect. she asked if she could and mr Mitchell told her that she couldn't if she went back into isolation. I imagine any other pupil who applied and then went to isolation would also have been told they had lost their chance at being a prefect.

[StephenFrySaidSo]

multi pound? what, like £4 or something? kerching!

"a place of higher learning" you mean like a college or university?

[beatback]

Stephen. Cos am a bit fick i was edukated at a skcool like Fornhull. Seriously my School was crap but it was no Thornhill.

I have just seen the promo for next week"s show and a kid called Danny Kendall gets voted in as Head boy .

I was thinking more like Harvard/Yale or our own esteemed oxbridge Colleges.

[beatback]

Sorry Stephen i was rushing out and i have just read it i meant to write a Multi Million pound Advertising campaign. I realise that because i am a bit outspoken,i am up for ridicule when my written words and sentences are incorrect.

please though have a bit of patience with me, after not having had the greatest Education and not writting for over 20 years i am learning as i write.

[Feelslikea1sttimer]

puppymummy are you a teacher at whitcliffe mount? My Boys came home telling me that they were asked but the head turned it down...

Fabulous show

[MrsCakesPremonition]

How on earth do teachers stand up in front of a class of girls who all have orange faces and giant eyebrows without laughing (or at least snorting with suppressed hysteria). I am in awe of them.

[PuppyMummy]

feels no, not a teacher there!

I think you get used to seeing them like that! I tend to just laugh in my head!

There was a trend a year or two back to foundtion and powder over your lips and not add coloured lipstick so it just looked like they had no lips!!

The eyebrow drawing thing came from a reality show set in Liverpool. Its a 'scouse brow'! (not my term)

[MrsCakesPremonition]

It looks like they've been experimenting with Sharpies .

[StephenFrySaidSo]

oh puppy I remember that look too!

there is a make-up artist from Dublin who posts make-up tutorials and she posted a spoof one of how to do your make-up for going back to school- it was hilarious. orange circle of foundation. bright pink cheeks. no lips. black eyes all over the eyelid and black eyebrows (this was a few years ago- not so much the trend now) I've watched it a few times it's that funny- and accurate.

[coco27]

How on earth do teachers stand up in front of a class of girls who all have orange faces and giant eyebrows without laughing

maybe because they have more manners and respect for the children?
The one thing that I did think was very touching was how fond the kids were of Mr Mitchell and the other teachers

[2ofstedsin24weeksistakingthep]

discogeek My grandad was the deputy head there for years, maybe he taught you?

[Wonderstuff]

Those saying the school was awful, what was so bad? The reality is this is how these kids arrive, with attitude, without any automatic respect for authority, I get a half dozen a year who can't read, teenagers who can't tell the time or know the alphabet.. Working with these kids is hard, it takes patience and understanding. But seeing them arrive as children with attitude and seeing them leave as (mostly) maturing adults with qualifications and ambition, is a real privilege.

If teachers give up on difficult kids their future is really bleak. I'm very proud to teach SEN and to teach in a school with a largely council estate intake.

[timidviper]

I don't think the school is awful Wonder but I am amazed at the lack of respect those children show. It might be the reality but it is very sad. I cannot believe any family finds that acceptable but I guess the homelife is part of the problem.

One of my previous jobs involved visiting childrens homes and secure units and I never failed to be struck by how great these young people were in the right situations with the right support. It's so sad that they didn't get that until they hit the rocks

I have the greatest respect for teachers who can deal with that, I just know I couldn't

[PuppyMummy]

wonderstuff Snap! I love my job.

I teach a class with a focus on literacy & numeracy they come mainly not being able to write a sentence or read one.
My main job has a specific focus on pastoral care and is very rewarding.

The kids on the programme are like mine and I wouldn't swap them!

[AcrylicPlexiglass]

88% of children at Thornhill got 5 A*-C GCSEs this year. That is hardly a failing school full of children whose education has been blighted, beatback. Quite the reverse.

[Nancy66]

I liked the head a lot. His approach is clearly working.
I imagine that, in a school like that, coming in with all guns blazing and being very strict and Victorian from the off would have backfired.

I thought Ryan was adorable and I liked Bailey a lot too.

Kamrran seemed very unpleasant. Seemed to treat others very badly/violently and then cried 'racism' when anyone retaliated.