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Problems with Ritalin and being bullied....help! (long, sorry)

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Chocol8 · 08/10/2004 18:47

I wonder if I could pick your rather clever collective minds about a couple of things:

Firstly, my ds's school have reported that in the last fortnight or so that there is a "fluctuation in his behaviour" in the afternoons. I can't say that I have noticed this at weekends, but will monitor it this weekend. Apparently, he "fidgits, is unable to sit on carpet in one place, crawls around, shouts out and makes noises". I suggested it may be due to a growth spurt and his med may need to be increased, however I was not happy to do this until I have spoken to his consultant.

I am seeing his teacher next week to speak in more detail. However, the second thing is that my ds is being bullied.
Last week he was forcefully pushed from a standing position to the floor by his head and into a lying position. Then a "big boy" took a jump into the air balled himself up and landed on my ds's chest. He was unable to breathe in without sharp pain for quite a while and was obviously very distressed and upset.

I received a note telling me that he had a hurt himself on the chest but there was no bruising! For Gods sake he is all skin and bone with not an ounce of fat on him at all - especially on his breast bone. He did have a mark that showed up a few days later however.
Various incidents have happened more recently one where he had his shoes taken (don't ask me how) and he was left with just socks on on a muddy field. Today he was tied to a tree with a skipping rope and kicked. I am told that his teachers and dinnerladies are keeping an eye on him in the playground...yeah right! He wears a bright orange anorak for a very good reason ffs, to attract the dinnerladies attention incase he gets any hassle. It's obviously just not working.

I called to speak to the new headmistress as I know she has zero tolerance on bullying, but she was busy and I spoke to the monosyllabic deputy head who just said that they would not be taking action unless it happened again. He could not see (maybe cos he is male??) why I was so upset at the jumping on chest incident.

I realise that his peers cannot figure why he is different, they just can't work it out but they know instinctively that he is. He is such a friendly, helpful little soul (when on his Ritalin) and is having a really hard time understanding why his "friends" are hurting him and picking on him all the time. It seems to be the national passtime to pick on him at the moment! What can I do, what can I tell him? I feel like saying he should punch them back but I can't. How far should I take this? I told my ds that I am going to write down all that he remembers about the incidents and speak to his teacher about it. Should I insist that the headmistress is present when talking about this?

Any suggestions gratefully received, sorry it is so long.

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mrsforgetful · 11/10/2004 11:17

i hope you are ok- i bet you found it hard leaving him at school today.

my nearly-8 yr old Leigh sounds alot like your son...though it's my 10yr old Tom who is ADHD&AS.

Leigh talks constantly and without any concern that i have not got a clue what he is on about...he's into YuGiOh trading cards now....i am absolutely at my wits end as of all the 'obsessions' he has ever had this one is the most tediously boring for me!

Reason i mention leigh is when i read what you said about how your son had said about his face being scratched etc....made me think of 'HOW' I HAVE TO CAREFULY TEASE OUT OF LEIGH EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED AT SCHOOL EVERY DAY.....i always say to him 'how was your day' and he will usually say 'terrible'......i then get quite specific....i ask him WHERE WAS HE/WHO WITH/DOING WHAT/WHAT WAS SAID/BY WHO/HOW DID HE FEEL/DID THE TEACHER HELP......looking at it here it looks like a right old interagation....but my reason is that OFTEN (but not ALWAYS) he has MISINTERPRETED a situation or what has been said etc....this is often due to his literal way of looking at things. Obviously this CANNOT apply to your son being tied up with a skipping rope or being hung by a dinner lady- but maybe will help with the 'mini-meltdowns/anxieties' that he has....like the taps running- Thomas finds the teacher shouting upsetting so i frequently go through a coversation which goes....'you look stressed-was it noisy-were you told off-was it the rest of the class-did you get to work outside the class on your own today-etc'

i feel that often our kids come home having suffered 101 different issues that they cannot filter them out themselves....and they often mix up the contens into such a muddle that this is when the teachers/heads say they are lying.

sometimes with leigh i have to TELL teachers that it is his 'all or nothing/black & white' thinking that causes problems...last week i asked him to read some of his school reading book in bed- he said he wasn't ALLOWED as if he did he then had to do what they call READ WRITE & DRAW.....about what he read....i said he was still allowed to read for 'FUN'...but he refused -then choosing another 'home- book to read instead.....i checked with the school and as i knew- he was allowed....ofcourse.....but yet another example of how rule bound he is- and i make a point of telling the teacher all these 'minor' things as they all add up.

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pinkshoes · 11/10/2004 21:06

It saddens me that your son is having these problems and I can understand the heartache this causes you. But what saddens me most is that he is being given a drug which, in America, is labelled as a Schedule II drug alongside Cocaine, Opium and Morphine (Schedule II drugs are defined as 'with a high potential for abuse; a high incidence of physical or psychological dependence.').

From what I have read ADHD is something dreamed up by psychiatry without any scientific backing.

Yes, children are highly active (I have brought up 3 of my own) and yes, they often have a short attention span, they can scream for hours on end and make you feel like screaming! But that doesn't mean they have a disease. A child hitting out and running around in a crazy fashion (as examples) is evidence that something is wrong - the child is upset about something to say the least - and drugging him/her is not going to enable finding out what is wrong so that the problem can be dealt with.

I found some interesting websites that have opened my eyes on the subject of ADHD and Ritalin. Listed here are a few of those:
www.ritalindeath.com
www.adhdfraud.com
www.cchr.org/issues/adhd/adhd/information/index.htm

There are reasons for the so-called 'ADHD' - learning difficulties, bullying, allergies, excess sugar and many more. Drugging children is just creating a future society of "quiet" "well adjusted" drug-addicted adults.

I know it's tough but think of your child's future, what this is doing to him in the long term.

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Jimjams · 11/10/2004 21:14

Oh FFS- Unless you have lived with ADHD then I don't think you have any right to give out this sort of misinformation. The situation in the States is very different from here- here most people working with ADHD believe that ritalin etc is UNDER-PRESCRIBED. Children with ADHD aren't "lively" - they are way beyond what could be considered normal behaviour. And it is not a "disease" it is a developmental disorder, and yes that does make a difference. If you look at the physiology and metabolism of a child with ADHD (and autism etc) you find that it is usually very, very different.

I have 2 children - third on the way. DS1 is autistic, DS2 is NT and it makes me laugh when people say "oh all kids are like that" about some autistic behaviour or other. I have an NT child as well and believe me if you think that having a child with a developmental disorder is the same as having a lively NT child then you really haven;t got a clue.

Fuming.

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Jimjams · 11/10/2004 21:17

And no my child isn't "drugged" but if it helped him live with his condition then he would be. Or maybe he's hitting out and running around in a crazy fashion because the world is a crazy place to him - he can't talk by the way (age 5)- maybe he's just upset- yeah right!

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dottee · 11/10/2004 22:49

Arrghh! Chocky! Just caught up with the thread. I'm so sorry you and ds are going through this. It's the last thing you both want.

As a parent governor myself, please DO approach the Chair of Governors (especially as you know her/him). The school should have an anti-bullying policy in place and it should be being adhered to. You also need to see the Headteacher.

I'll send you an e-mail.

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Chocol8 · 11/10/2004 22:49

Pinkshoes - I suggest that until you have lived with ADHD, day in day out, year in year out - you keep your thoughts to yourself.

Do you not think that giving my child a drug everyday, just to get him into his clothes, to eat his food to do the things that your children take for granted everyday is EASY??? Let me tell you - it's NOT! Nearly everyday, I have to grit my teeth and give him his tablet, which appears at the moment not to be working.

This morning, my ds went to see a child psychiatrist for the first time. I had to consider the option of medicating him so that he would be lucid enough to talk through his worries with the doctor. She was amazed at how well spoken and thoughtful he was. He is a COMPLETELY different child when he is not medicated, to the point that I cannot think about taking him out of the house if he doesn't have his tablet. Because, actually it's really fun to have to try and restrain my child when he has a meltdown over the slightest thing. Getting kicked, punched, bitten, having my hair pulled out, spat on and headbutted is the days usual occurances if my child is not medicated. That's just home - he was expelled from two nurseries and was just about to be expelled from his first school when he was diagnosed - by professionals who knew what they were talking about - and I was given the choice as to whether to medicate him or not. IT TOOK MONTHS TO DECIDE AND I CAN TELL YOU, PINKSHOES IT WAS NOT F*ING EASY!!!

I have seen the websites you mentioned because I specifically looked for the "againsts" which would mean that I didn't have to give him Ritalin. FYI he also has fish oils 4 times a day and also Melatonin to help him sleep at night - and no, this is not a drug fyi. Tonight in the car, my ds cried and said "is there something wrong with me". How would you answer that? Oh, darling, there's nothing wrong with you because I don't believe in ADHD.

Your reply has just had me in tears - for the second time today. I understand that you have your opinion but your opinion would be better placed on a different thread...or start your own and see where it gets you! I really can't express how angry and hurt I am by your stupid comments.

Just for the record - I do not know one Mum in the groups I attend who doesn't cry nearly everytime they talk about having to medicate their children. Please do the courtesy of thinking before you type on such a sensitive issue.

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dottee · 11/10/2004 22:57

Well said Chocol8!!!

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jmb1964 · 11/10/2004 23:00

Pinkshoes - go away, your oh so kind thoughts are far from welcome here. People are doing their very best to deal with difficult situations, day in day out, and do not come on here to be judged. Please respect them.

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Chocol8 · 11/10/2004 23:05

Thanks Dottee and I'm sorry Jimjams - I meant to say that to you, but I was so angry!

My sister rang just as I was checking the thread and I had to call her back because I couldn't believe what had been written. Thank goodness she did call because it calmed me down enough to think about a reply instead of swearing non stop on MN. Big hugs to you both.

Jimjams are you ok? x

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Davros · 11/10/2004 23:06

Never heard of pinkshoes before, suspect an anti-ritalin activist just looking for places to post their poison. Why would someone with NT children have those websites at their fingertips? My DS is medicated Pinkshoes, and I don't give a f**k what you think. In fact, I'm medicated myself, would you like my mum's phone number to give her a bollocking?

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soapbox · 11/10/2004 23:08

FGS - as if you guys don't have enough to contend with

Many sympathetic vibes coming your way ...

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Chocol8 · 11/10/2004 23:09

Here here Davros - I was just wondering why someone with NT children would be interested in Ritalin...you're right of course.

Well said JMB - and so polite too!

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coppertop · 11/10/2004 23:09

Pinkshoes - I am fortunate enough to have no personal experience of ADHD. However, even I can see that there is a world of difference between an active child with a short attention span and one with ADHD. It exists. It is real.

Hugs to you Chocol8. xxx

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marthamoo · 11/10/2004 23:14

Chocol8 - sorry you had to read that advice - you have enough on your plate.

I was just wondering how your ds got on at school today and if you've managed to see the head yet? It astonishes me that the school has been so blase about what has happened - this is not a one-off incident of mild bullying, this is systematic and horrific (tied to a tree and kicked ffs )

I really hope you can get some help at the school and for them to start taking their duty of care towards your son seriously. Poor little boy - my heart aches for him

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Chocol8 · 11/10/2004 23:29

Thanks Marthamoo - I took my ds into school this morning after his appt and requested an appt with the head, his teacher and the SENCo co-ordinator. I had a reply in his home/school book to say they would "see if the SENCo can attend".

The main problem I have today is that because his tablets just don't seem to work in the afternoons, my ds confessed that he had "done something very bad" today. It took alot of cajolling to get it out of him and eventually he told me that he had tried to tie up some girls with the skipping rope because they weren't playing properly with it. He wanted it to himself (ropes, strings and rubber bands have always fascinated him) and they kept messing about and standing on it.

I really don't know how to deal with this one at the meeting except to say that I have spoken to him and explained that he didn't like it being done to him on Friday, so why would anyone else like it. He missed his playtime for it and was deeply sorry, but I feel awful for the girls' parents as I know how angry I was when it was done to ds. I think he was just copying - what do you think?

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marthamoo · 11/10/2004 23:35

See if the SENCo can attend? Grrrrr

It sounds to me like he is just copying what has been done to him - a lot of children who are bullied will then turn that experience against someone else, given half a chance - I don't think that's exclusive to a child with a developmental disorder, but it must be harder for you to explain to your ds why it is wrong. Honestly, my blood is boiling at what is being done to him, so how you must feel as his mother

Try not to feel guilty - it doesn't sound like he got very far at trying to tie the girls up (God, that sounds awful, put like that!) and I do think it has more to do with what happened to him than any inherent bullying tendencies in him.

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Chocol8 · 11/10/2004 23:44

He is such a kind, sensitive soul and wouldn't dream of hurting anyone (except me or himself). I just moved him from my bed (he falls asleep quicker in my bed) to his and he whispered "my dear Mummy, I love you so much".

I am really tired but can't go to bed yet as I am so wound up by that ignorant posting. Thank you for your reply Marthamoo, I know you are right, my sister said straight away that he just copied what had been done to him.

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marthamoo · 11/10/2004 23:49

I honestly think the others are right - someone is trawling about searching for Ritalin and then posting that kind of ignorant bllcks. Try not to let it wind you up (easier said than done, I know). Have a warm bath and a milky drink (or a tot of something stronger) and try and get some sleep.

Your ds sounds like a sweetie to me - I hope you get things sorted and he is happier at school soon (I think the kids who tied him to a tree and kicked him have some major problems of their own...they are supposed to be the normal ones?)

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Chocol8 · 11/10/2004 23:56

It's time I did that sleep thing, work tomorrow. Seems that pinkshoes has disappeared for the night!

Sweet dreams y'all and I hope Jimjams is ok and getting some zeds in too. x

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Thomcat · 12/10/2004 00:03

Oh God, just seen and read this whole thread for the first time, how awful. What's happening now, what are the school doing, how are you, how is your darling little boy.

I'm not going to go there with pink shoes, apart from to say that I know where I'd like to ram them!

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marthamoo · 12/10/2004 07:07

TC!

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JAKBROWN · 12/10/2004 07:25

Can't believe what I've just read. Going to tap my red shoes and make Pinkshoes disappear like the wicked witch in the Wizard of Oz! There is no accounting for some peoples' lack of tact and utter ignorance. Bloody judgemental bollocks. Good luck Chocol8. My half-brother is ADHD but unfortunately his parents had loads of problems when he was growing up so he didn't get the help he needed. He wasn't lucky enough to have the brilliant parenting your little one has.

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JAKBROWN · 12/10/2004 07:27

Sorry Moderator, am I allowed to swear? EEEkk

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Chocol8 · 12/10/2004 07:43

Didn't get much sleep and now feel like pooh. Nice one Thomcat. Will update you later about the meeting, but I fear that ds will not have too good a day after his realisation that he is "losing my friends". Pinkshoes obviously climbed back under her rock, let's hope she doesn't visit us again.

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Davros · 12/10/2004 07:50

ROFL TC!
Sorry to hear you didn't sleep well Choc. I think you'll be fine at the meeting, the worst you can do is let them see how much you and your DS need support. Is it poss to speak to his Paediatrician or GP about the tablets? Maybe he needs a higher dose or to have the dose spread out differently. He's probably got bigger and just needs a bit more.
I'm trying to think of a new word for a troll that actually means what they say, rather than just causing mischief, but causes extreme offence...... how about goblin or poltergeist

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