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In despair at the state of my marriage and stuck abroad

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bluebells29 · 12/02/2024 15:13

I don’t know what to do. I’ve been with my H for 7 years, will have been married 5 this summer. I have one dd aged 9 who has no contact with her bio dad. She calls my H daddy and he has been in her life since age 2. We live abroad for H job (I also work here, remotely) and have an amazing life on paper; nice flat, holidays, no money worries, great healthcare, good savings pot.

But. I am just at the end of my rope with H. Things have been up and down with us since probably the first year we were together. We got together when we were late 20s and he didn’t find blending into my family easy, he had a strict dysfunctional childhood with an alcoholic bipolar mum and he had no experience with young kids. He is very strict about things like ‘answering back’ and I think his punishments are too harsh eg suggesting naughty step when she was barely 2 or confiscating favourite toys for ages. He always has been insecure about his role in my DDs life. It is something we have argued about for years, and most recently on Friday when we had a huge blowout because he feels DD doesn’t show him “any respect” (she’s going through a tough time at school and I think is a bit hormonal and she said she ‘hated him’, which he refused to accept was just something kids say and that I’d told her off appropriately for it.) This has happened for years, probably at least once a month, and he will storm off/sulk, be angry with me and accuse me of undermining him or not ‘listening”. For him, in arguments me responding equates to me “not listening”. He can be so cruel when he’s angry and worked up. Has called me a “shitty wife”, said I’m “not suited to relationships”, I “hate all men”, “have no ability to communicate” and I want everything my way. We have separated 4 times in the past 7 years for between a week and a month at a time, we had about a year of couples therapy to sort things out before we moved but after the fun of moving wore off we were back to episodes of sulking and arguments. I also got a little too close to a male friend (no physical affair) as I was lonely and even though I was honest with him about it and curbed it, now H will throw at me stuff like “you’re a cheater, you’ll always be a cheater” and uses it as an example of why I’m a shit person. He also hates that I chose not to wear a wedding ring and has yelled at me about it constant times. I have ASD and sensory issues and don’t even wear earrings, but now it’s become a stick to beat me with. We used to have great sex and a laugh and I loved him, but all that feels like it has eroded so much.

A couple weeks ago he told me to ‘get out’ even though my name is on all the household bills and it’s DDs home. He’s now said in an argument that he didn’t even want to move here, which involved upending all our lives 2 years ago and me leaving a well paid job, and he only did it because I wanted to (and I’m so controlling etc), and now he wants to hand in his 2 weeks notice and go home. This would mean a big move (planned probably by me as I had to arrange all packing/shipping last time), hauling DD out of school and her friends, and going back to the U.K. where we have no property or base. He also said he thought our marriage couldn’t ever work. Then the next morning he said he didn’t mean those things. I feel like I don’t know which way is up. I hate exposing DD to our issues and his moods. Should I just take her back to the the U.K. myself? I absolutely love it here and so does she but this situation feels so fragile. Since the most recent argument he has booked a therapy session for himself. He is trying to talk me round saying that in the U.K. we can build a “forever home” for DD, something I have not been able to do for her yet, and something I don’t have myself as my parents divorce was awful, the house repossessed and I grew up mainly in poverty and have little family now.

He is not all bad. He can be fun on holidays or when he’s in a good mood. He does the cooking and shopping and some DIY (but I do everything else.) But. He is a depressive and games in his spare time for hours and we have nothing to talk about anymore. He doesn’t take DD out unless I specifically suggest it. He has gained 2ston since we met and has bad dental hygiene and I don’t fancy him anymore- I would never say that- but we haven’t had sex in about 7 months now. I know it sounds terrible but I’m no saint though. But it just seems like he is unhappy and it’s leading him to act in a way he doesn’t even like. He also wants a baby with me and I cannot imagine it, much as I do want another, our relationship is so volatile.

Whenever we have separated I have always caved and gone back because he feels ‘safe’. But I don’t know why he feels safe when he hurts me (and DD) so much with his outbursts and moods. I’m scared of what comes next, and I feel like I should suck it up and let her stay here in school with her friends and her nice life, and make ways to accommodate H more so he doesn’t get angry so much. But I do worry that if he’s like this now, what will he be like when she’s a bolshy teen? She currently describes him as ‘grumpy’. She’s heard us argue a lot as we have little childcare and live in a flat.

We are meant to be going on holiday on Saturday for a week and I’m dreading it. Wtf do I do? Please help.

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momtoboys · 12/02/2024 15:22

Sounds dreadful. The separating and getting back together must be very unsettling. Can he go back to the UK and you stay in the US?

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bluebells29 · 12/02/2024 15:24

I am on a spousal visa so if he goes, we go. No chance of me getting my own visa here right now and I couldn’t afford it on my single salary tbh.

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IdaPrentice · 12/02/2024 15:29

Gosh that sounds hard, if you and DD are happy living there, so I can see why it's not easy to split. Could you plan with H to move back to the UK, instead of straight away, say within the next year, in time for DD to start secondary school (which wouldn't be far off), which gives DD time to get used to the idea of leaving her school and friends, then once you're back in the UK, assess whether you split then? And in the meantime go back to couples counselling? I'm sure others will be along to tell you it's not good for either you or DD to be around his moods and put-downs, which is true. Would it be possible if you split up, for you to stay in the country you're in now (visa, benefits, etc)?

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MiltonNorthern · 12/02/2024 15:29

Thank fuck DD isn't his so you can take her away from him. What were you thinking allowing him into her life when she was little more than a baby when the red flags were waving then! Now it's so much worse. But you have to get her away from him. He's going to get more abusive towards her as she grows into being a teenager.

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IdaPrentice · 12/02/2024 15:29

Cross post re the spousal visa, sorry.

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Dozycuntlaters · 12/02/2024 15:33

If you can't leave for you, leave for your DD. You staying with him is going to mess with her head and give her a really warped idea of how relationships are meant to be. How would you feel if when she is an adult she end up with someone like your DH.

He sounds truly awful. Make a list of the pros and cons of life with him. Take "because I love him" out and make a serious list of what keeps you there.

Leave him, otherwise its going to just get worse and worse (and then worse again). Leave him but this time make it for good.

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bluebells29 · 12/02/2024 15:35

@MiltonNorthern in my worst moments that’s what I feel. I know I have probably made some very bad choices. I was in a shit place then, lonely and scarred from her bio dad leaving when I was pregnant and young, and H seemed like a great guy and I thought the teething problems with blending the family were normal. Now I see that’s not the case. She does seem to love him but their relationship is often like 2 bickering kids and/or him getting triggered by her hyper behaviour etc. she is a good kid though, and all her friends parents say what a lovely girl she is, I really don’t think she is hard work. She loves animals and her friends, is affectionate, forgiving, imaginative, has cared for a pet slug from the garden for months (H calls it ‘disgusting’), she is a little emotional generally but I’m like that too and her heart in the right place definitely. He doesn’t seem to see that at all. He just thinks she should do as she’s told like he did as a child. But his parents used to hit him with objects and scream at him so who says he had a healthy background?

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bluebells29 · 12/02/2024 15:36

@Dozycuntlaters its awful but the main things in the list would be familiarity, and money related. As well as the fact I hate the idea of ruining DDs happy life. It’s not even about love anymore.

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Ghuunvg · 12/02/2024 15:40

Does her bio dad know she exists?

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bluebells29 · 12/02/2024 15:43

@Ghuunvg yes, he left when I was pg, had very limited contact after she was born and I invited him to be involved but he didn’t want to, then he got back in touch when she was 4 and then changed his mind quickly (she didn’t know about it, though she does know H isn’t her bio dad obviously.) No contact from him since. He sends me £20 weekly which goes directly in a U.K. based savings account though and has done since we spoke when she was 4.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 12/02/2024 15:43

its really not a happy life for your child if he as her stepfather treats you, and in turn her, with such disdain and contempt. Money and familiarity are no basis to remain with him either.

What do you want to teach your child about relationships and what is she learning here?.

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Iloveshihtzus · 12/02/2024 15:44

bluebells29 · 12/02/2024 15:36

@Dozycuntlaters its awful but the main things in the list would be familiarity, and money related. As well as the fact I hate the idea of ruining DDs happy life. It’s not even about love anymore.

How do you imagine she has a happy life living with an abusive man?

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 12/02/2024 15:48

How can you be helped into leaving your abuser?

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bluebells29 · 12/02/2024 15:48

I guess she is learning that sulking is a normal way to deal with feelings. That adults can shut themselves in their bedroom for a whole evening when they’re in a bad mood. That shouting and swearing at me in arguments is ok and that being upset and tearful is normal. She tries to comfort me at times which makes me feel guilty. She’s said she thinks sometimes our arguments are her fault. Writing this all out is painful. But I think I really need to be honest with myself right now.

I guess it’s just painful because when H wants to reconcile he is so loving and says he will always fight for us, we have something special, etc. But when he’s angry or sulking it feels so bad. I know I could stay, in other words- I could keep it all going here for DD. But is that best? I just don’t know. She has all the things i didn’t have in terms of material things and financial stability. But it’s a hard road for her if she loses the only dad she’s ever known and we lose 2/3 our income, all her friends, her school….. and have to start again. If we were in the U.K. I think I would have probably left him. But it’s different now.

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Dozycuntlaters · 12/02/2024 15:49

bluebells29 · 12/02/2024 15:36

@Dozycuntlaters its awful but the main things in the list would be familiarity, and money related. As well as the fact I hate the idea of ruining DDs happy life. It’s not even about love anymore.

I get the familiarity thing but its not reason enough to stay.I left my ex after 25 years together, our DS was 11 at the time. My ex was angry, depressive and I know if I stayed it would not be good for our son to grow up in that environment. It was hard, it was so hard, but the best thing for both of us.

Your DD's life is not happy, he treats her like shit and he is going to give her all sorts of issues. How on earth can her life be happy.

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bluebells29 · 12/02/2024 15:51

I don’t know if he is an abuser. He can be so loving and fun and he is a good provider, cooks for us almost every night, takes DD to school when I ask or babysits her when i have things to do or if I want to go out. He plays Nintendo with her and builds Lego if she gets a new set. I know that all sounds a bit lame. Honestly, he doesn’t do a lot but then he’s not her dad. I do worry he is snappy with her when I’m not around and last year when I had to go away for work I flew my mum over to help out as felt weird about H doing sole charge for a week in case anything happened. When she was smaller and he used to do school dropoffs he would often call me irritated because she was being difficult and he’d put her on the phone crying. Ughhhh. Why did I accept that?

He just gets so upset when I say we should break up and I feel terrible. I find it almost impossible to hurt people. I do think he has zero emotional regulation tools and probably ASD himself. I do know that we go in cycles and I’m not saying I am perfect. When I said to him I felt his sulking was abusive he got so angry and keeps bringing it up like “if I’m abusive you shouldn’t be with me”. But I know he doesn’t really believe that he is.

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Dozycuntlaters · 12/02/2024 15:53

I don’t know if he is an abuser

He IS an abuser. Read your initial post again and ask yourself how is this not abuse. It is. He is an abuser.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 12/02/2024 15:59

What do you get out of your relationship with this man?

Do not assume he is on any spectrum either. He is very much a product of his own red flags upbringing, look at what he learnt from his mother in particular about relationships. Your poor boundaries at that time let him into your life. The cycles you are currently in is called the nice/nasty cycle of abuse and that is a continuous one.

Your so called good points about him are really the barest of the bare minimum in terms of relationships. They are no basis or reason to stay with him. Abuse is about power and control and he wants absolute here both over you and your daughter.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 12/02/2024 16:04

And of course he is going to say that he is not abusive. He is using you having autism against you. HE does not fund it difficult to emotionally hurt you and your child.

He’s a bloody Disney dad, only there for the fun parts of parenting. Anything “difficult” re she he does not want to know.

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Earthlypowers · 12/02/2024 16:10

This relationship is damaging your daughter. The sooner you get out, the better are the chances that she will recover, but there will be some consequences definitely.
However, the issue you are facing is financial security. You need to look at your options in terms of finances - how much you can earn, where you can live, housing and other costs. Have you got any family/friends that would be able and willing to help you? It will not be easy. Be prepared to a drastic change in your standard of living. It is really hard, but that is the only healthy way out of this horrible situation.

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Gerwurtztraminer · 12/02/2024 16:49

If he did suddenly resign and leave, how long would you have on your spousal visa to pack and leave the country? Because that sounds very insecure. A friend was an expat in an Asian country and they - trailing spouse & 2 kids - had 4 weeks to leave when she was fired (no employment rights for expats). So you need to be prepared for that possibility.

So I'd be starting to quietly make plans to go if I was you. Be practical and rational here about moving back to UK - money, places to live, job, temporary housing whilst you settle in.

He's only going to get worse as she gets older and into tween & teen age and really gets 'difficult'. If you can't bring yourself to call him 'abusive', doesn't matter. It's still not a happy, healthy relationship or a happy, safe, relaxing home for your daughter.

If you can't be strong for yourself and start to wobble about staying with him, keep her wellbeing foremost in your mind. Finances and familiarity are NOT good enough reasons to stay with him. They are cop outs (sorry to be blunt, but I think you know that anyway). At 9 yes it's an upheaval to move countries but it will worse when even a little older. She'll settle in and make friends again wherever you end up, and she will always have you.

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bluebells29 · 12/02/2024 17:18

Thanks to everyone posting. I do feel like he is unable to deal with her now at 9 (and younger) and this will only get worse? And yet she is the reason I am mainly staying, for practicalities. I have no idea how she feels about him, she calls him daddy but she expects nothing of him and his sulks are ignored. Case in point when he took himself to bed the other evening (about 6pm) and we watched tv in the next room and he came out to tell us both off for having it “too loud” then went back in and shut the door, and I watched a movie and ate with her then we played a couple of board games then did homework and bed. In that respect he isolates himself from us/normal life when it suits him. I planned a day trip the previous weekend to a park and science museum and he tolerated it but then started stressing about going home because he “had” to make dinner at a certain time. He is so glass half empty and she and I are not like that.
I just cannot imagine actually, properly leaving. I’m so scared I’d just go back.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 12/02/2024 17:35

Do not stay for the supposed sake of the child. Often such statements do not hold up to scrutiny when further examined. Your relationship with your husband is over anyway due to the abuse he meets out to you and your daughter. Would you want her to be in such a relationship as an adult, no you would not and you would want better for her.

The only acceptable level of abuse in a relationship is none. you need to remind yourself of this.

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bluebells29 · 28/03/2024 00:31

I’m reviving this thread because I’m still here and I could really use a handhold. I’ve been so anxious this week I feel sick, we talked about divorce the other night but I chickened out of agreeing to it. I still feel so guilty for dd. But tonight I think, what if I just went back to the U.K. even if just for a few weeks, bit the bullet, got some confidence from family…. I feel like I need it so much. But it also feels like running away.

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Ohffsbarbara · 28/03/2024 02:28

has cared for a pet slug from the garden for months

Im just reading your thread OP, why did this make me cry? 😢

Your dd sounds like such a lovely, caring little girl. It sound like you and she have a lovely relationship. I worry about the affect he will have on her as she gets older as I know how difficult the teen years can be. He sounds very much like a “it’s my way or the highway” type who gets angry and sulks when things don’t go his way.
Having a SD like this will probably drive a wedge between you and her and when she’s older she may feel you didn’t protect her from him - this could lead to her resenting you. That she feels she has to comfort you when you argue is a lot to put on her little shoulders.

It sounds like a lot of your dhs issues stem from his dysfunctional & abusive childhood - but that’s not your problem to fix.

I understand the situation is difficult re being abroad but I really think you should go home to family for a bit without him. Getting away for a while will help clarify your feelings and help you get your head straight.

I think you’ll realise how much better things are when he’s not around.

I know your dd has friends and likes it where you are now but kids are very adaptable- she’ll probably be just as excited about going back to the uk and seeing family/old friends. Sounds like you definitely both need time away from the negative drain that is your “d”h.

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