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My parents hate my OH

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Bumpk1n · 24/04/2016 21:58

Hello
I posted a few weeks ago about my parents hating my OH, I asked for it to be pulled she to identifying info.
Basically they hate him because they think he's too old for me, 6 years, looks older than he is and isn't good looking enough. They also think he drinks too much, is a 'lad' and lazy because he can't drive, he is learning.
I live at home. Was given lots of advice saying they are toxic and move out into a room. Which was very helpful. I have looked at rooms and are going to see some soon.

Reason for posting is I've had another earful this evening and I need to get it out.
They went to a friends for dinner last night and her son and his GF were there. My dad said it was another example of how unsuitable my OH is for me, as we don't look good together, unlike this couple, a couple I've never met before!
Me being with OH is rubbing their nose in it. It's eating away at my dad. He sees couples 'everywhere' who suit each other and it makes him upset. My OH looks like an old uncle when he stands next to me. He said he wishes I would just move in with OH And get it over and done with so he can grieve. Grieve? WTAF?!
We bumped into my dad in the shops yesterday so I knew something would be said this evening and when I got home I could sense the atmosphere.
I just went downstairs to get a drink and he tried to start again, I firmly repeated no I'm tired I've got work tomorrow I don't need this. He kept trying but mum told him to leave it. As I walked upstairs I heard him say "end it with him for our sakes" and that sentence sums it up completely. It's all about them, how they feel Sad
I don't need posts telling me to move out, those wheels are in motion, I just need a bit of hand holding as I'm very upset. I love my OH, it was our one year anniversary the other day and he was so thoughtful and romantic. He is a good man and they can't see it.

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Bumpk1n · 26/04/2016 14:09

I agree blueberry. Him being dependable, caring, ambitious, hard working etc does more for me than a pretty boy ever would.
But then when I said to my parents would you prefer I was with someone who was just good looks they said no. Can't win

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NameChange30 · 26/04/2016 14:49

Of course you can't win, they're toxic and unreasonable. The sooner you accept that, the sooner you will be able to work on stepping back and getting on with your life.

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OnceAMeerNotAlwaysAMeer · 26/04/2016 14:49

They are never going to accept you having your own pov or making your own decisions.

nor are they ever going to listen to you and actually communicate.

If I sit there not saying anything I get told I've got nothing to say because I know they are correct!

They have a view of you and who you are and what you are.

The real you is a stranger to them. You love them, but don't expect them to love you. They don't know you.

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Bumpk1n · 26/04/2016 15:19

My nan died when I was 15 nearly 16 (dad's mum) she was fine one day then has a massive frontal brain bleed which left her bed bound and changed her personality. She then had another one a couple of months later which killed her. my dad has never recovered from losing his mum, not that you ever get over it, but I truely believe his behaviours changed from then. I wonder if it's a control thing due to that.
He always says all my troubles started around that age. But I'm now thinking it wasn't me, it was him.
My sister, mother ans I have often said he needs bereavement counselling or something like that

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FrancisdeSales · 26/04/2016 16:53

Maybe your dad was very emeshed with his own mother and being very over involved and constantly monitoring other family members lives is "normal" for him. In that type of family system people are not allowed to be unique and independent people with their own lives and opinions, instead there's a strong pull toward "group think" where we all are expected to think and feel the same. If you try and assert some independence from this dysfunction the family system will try and guilt trip you and manipulate you into abandoning your attempts.

It is very, very important that you leave home and NOT move straight in with your BF. You first need to learn how to be independent and be able to have your own thoughts and feelings and make independent decisions. It would be very dangerous to live with a partner or get married before achieving literal and psychological independence otherwise you run the danger of being easily manipulated and not see yourself as a real adult. At the moment I would say you have not reached that stage and that is vital BEFORE you enter any kind of live-in situation.

Your parents will attempt to encourage you to be fearful and anxious about independence so you need to overcome that first and know that independence is good and necessary for healthy autonomy. Then you can enter an interdependent relationship rather than a dependent, emeshed and anxiety provoking one.

Basically read everything you can on Codependency because that is the issue in your family of origin.

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NameChange30 · 26/04/2016 17:58

I agree with Francis.

I also want to point out that plenty of people lose a parent when they're young and don't turn into abusive twats.

Your father's experience must have been difficult for him but it does not excuse his behaviour.

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Bumpk1n · 26/04/2016 18:23

I agree with Francis, I do need my own space. Even for 6 months.
I was 15 when nanny died, not my dad. I mentioned that because it's appanretly when all my issues started

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springydaffs · 26/04/2016 18:35

Someone posted the following on this thread:

MR. RIGHT

Mr. Right considers himself the ultimate authority on every subject under the sun; you might call him Mr. Always Right. He speaks with absolute certainty, brushing your opinions aside like annoying gnats. He seems to see the world as a huge classroom, in which he is the teacher and you are his student. He finds little of value in your thoughts or insights, so he seeks to empty out your head and fill it up with his jewels of brilliance. When Mr. Right sits in one of my groups for abusive, men, he often speaks of his partner as if she were in danger from her own idiocy and he needs to save her from herself. Mr. Right has difficulty speaking to his partner—or about her—without a ring of condescension in his voice. And in a conflict his arrogance gets even worse.

Mr. Right's superiority is a convenient way for him to get what he wants. When he and his partner are arguing about their conflicting desires, he turns it into a clash between Right and Wrong or between Intelligence and Stupidity. He ridicules and discredits her perspective so that he can escape dealing with it. Here is a conversation I had with a Mr. Right whom I worked with in one of my abuser groups:

BANCROFT: Pat, do you have any abusive behaviors to report from this past week?

PAT: Well, I did yell at Gwen once and called her bitch. We were fighting about money, as usual.

BANCROFT: What was Gwen's perspective in the argument?

PAT: She thinks money grows on trees.

BANCROFT: Gwen said that money grows on trees?

PAT: Well no, not just like that. But that's how she acts.

BANCROFT: Let's try again. What was she saying in the argument?

PAT: She thinks we have enough money to get both of the children whole new sets of clothes. But we just bought all new stuff for them only a few weeks ago. And we just don't have it in the bank right now.

BANCROFT: Does Gwen agree that the last round of shopping was only a few weeks ago?

PAT: No, she says it was four months ago, at the beginning of the summer, which is a crock. I can remember that the summer was more than half over.

BANCROFT: So her memory is different from yours. Did she say why she thinks it was earlier?

PAT: Of course not, she's…Well, maybe she said something about how she remembers she paid the credit card bill for those clothes while the children were still in school. But she's wrong.

BANCROFT: Now, you said that the money simply isn't there. Gwen obviously thinks differently. Where does she think the money should come from?

PAT: I already told you, she wants me to be a magician who can just make it appear.

BANCROFT: But she must have been making points about it. What was she saying?

PAT: Oh, I don't know…She says we should sell our car and get a shit box, which would just end up costing us more in the long run, plus I don't want to deal with it.

BANCROFT: What do you drive now?

PAT: A Saab.

BANCROFT: Let me guess. She would like to trade the Saab in on a reliable car that has lower monthly payments, cheaper parts, and fewer repair bills.

PAT: Yeah, that's what I said, a shit box.

What Pat revealed in this exchange was that each time Gwen attempts to stand up for herself or put forth her views, he twists her statements to make them sound absurd. Notice how long it took me to drag out of him what Gwen's opinions actually were. Gwen naturally came out feeling stifled by Pat, as there was nothing she could do to get her views heard and taken seriously. Part of why Pat is convinced that Gwen is stupid is that he is so exaggeratedly certain of his own wisdom and clarity. Since she continues to disagree with him, he takes that as proof of her foolishness.

When Mr. Right decides to take control of a conversation, he switches into his Voice of Truth, giving the definitive pronouncement on what is the correct answer or the proper outlook. Abuse counselors call this tactic defining reality. Over time, his tone of authority can cause his partner to doubt her own judgment and come to see herself as not very bright. I notice how often I am speaking with the intelligent-sounding partner of one of my clients, only to have her say to me: I'm not that smart. The abuser wants her to doubt her mental abilities in this way, so that he can control her better.

Besides knowing all about the world, Mr. Right is also an expert on your life and how you should live it. He has the answers to your conflicts at work, how you should spend your time, and how you should raise your children. He is especially knowledgeable about your faults, and he likes to inventory what is wrong with you, as if tearing you down were the way to improve you. He may seem to enjoy periodically straightening you out in front of other people to humiliate you, thereby establishing his unquestionable intellectual superiority. When Mr. Right's partner refuses to defer to his sophisticated knowledge, he is likely to escalate to insulting her, calling her names, or mocking her with imitation. If he's still not satisfied that he has brought her down low enough, he may reach for bigger guns, such as ruining evening plans, leaving places without her, or saying bad things about her to other people. If he is physically assaultive, then this is the time he may throw things, raise fists, or attack violently. In short, Mr. Right finds some way to ensure that his partner regrets her insistence on having her own mind.

Mr. Right in some respects is a less violent and frightening version of the Drill Sergeant (see p. 86), but Mr. Right's control tends to be especially focused on telling his partner how to think. His partner feels suffocated by his control, as if he were watching her every move under a microscope.

Mr. Right tries to sanitize his bullying by telling me, I have strong opinions or I like debating ideas. This is like a bank robber saying, I'm interested in financial issues. Mr. Right isn't interested in debating ideas; he wants to impose his own.

The central attitudes driving Mr. Right are:

• You should be in awe of my intelligence and should look up to me intellectually. I know better than you do, even about what's good for you.

• Your opinions aren't worth listening to carefully or taking seriously.

• The fact that you sometimes disagree with me shows how sloppy your thinking is.

• If you would just accept that I know what's right, our relationship would go much better. Your own life would go better, too.

• When you disagree with me about something, no matter how respectfully or meekly, that's mistreatment of me.

• If I put you down for long enough, some day you'll see

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springydaffs · 26/04/2016 18:36

You are being abused by your parents.

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TrafficJunkie · 27/04/2016 09:33

But you have a solution here. You can move out. This isn't a marriage where you have children to worry about. Just get out as soon as possible.

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DailyFailAreABunchOfCunts · 27/04/2016 11:48

I remember your last thread.

Your parents are abusive and this situation will not change. No man will ever be good enough for their standards.

They will continue to belittle and undermine you even if you move out, get married, have a child - nothing that you do will be good enough.

I would move out and go NC with them.

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APlaceOnTheCouch · 27/04/2016 11:58

I'm glad you are moving out to a neutral space and not in with your partner. Your parents are EA. The problem with that is it has probably impacted on how you view relationships and your role within them so you will have to be conscious not to fall into those patterns with your partner.

Ultimately, don't make this about him because that may make you feel more emotionally committed to him as a reaction against your parents. Your move is about your parents attitude and tbh it's about needing your own space so you can grow as an adult.

Your relationship with your bf has to stand or fall on its own merits.

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