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How do you get through finding out your whole life wasn't what you thought it was?

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MiscellaneousAssortment · 20/12/2015 04:01

How do you lay this stuff to rest?

Over the last 5yrs I have had my life's story rewritten again and again as I uncover unpleasant 'truths' that change what I thought happened, what I thought was my life, my sisters life, my family bonds, all not true.

And I'm not seeking out those truths, or trying to delve back into the past looking for answers. It's all raked up again and again because me and DS are still paying the price for it all, and our lives literally (actually literally) depend on it.

And my sister and fathers lives did depend on it, except they're dead.

I tried all evening to write a summary and it's too hard.

Basically, found out my parents always knew about the possibility of a genetic condition being passed down. They knew before they got married.

How can someone do this? Almost five decades of lies. The very foundations of my own life and the terrible tragedies that have hit our family again and again, reeling from the shock as a genetic condition slowly reeks havoc on the people I love... The lie was that anyone else was shocked and ignorant about what was happening.

Feel like the whole thing is some sick joke, and I'm the punch line.

How can parents endanger the lives of their children (sister died, I'm now severely disabled), one of themselves (dad died), and their grand child (DS may have it too)?

My mother in particular has behaved so very badly over the years, my dad was lovely though with his own problems, but kind and gentle and caring. Not very responsible though or he'd have intervened as my mother was a horrible horrible person, emotionally abusive we'd ca it these days. I can sort of see my mother doing this more than my dad, a stretch even for her, but she does have form for being breath takingly selfish and cruel. But even so, this means she was shouting and screaming that we were making it up to get attention/ doing it to upset her, how it was my fault that the family was poor/ she didn't work/ dads job was always insecure...all the time KNOWING what was happening.

She watched and bitched as her favorite daughter went through all kinds of hell, she watched her die with no diagnosis, no treatment, just terror of knowing there's something terribly wrong and no one will help.

How? I don't understand. She loved my sister so much, and my parents fell apart when she died.

And then to watch me getting iller and iller, not knowing what was happening, not knowing where to turn. Then having a grandchild, without ever thinking to tell your daughter the risk for him.

Then dad dying, they didnt tell the docs any family history, even though he was dying of what people with my condition die of. My mother behaved unforgivably at this time, cruelly and shockingly, which I thought was to hurt me (which it was but with a double whammy of being able to stop me being able to tell the hospital the family history.

I can't even start to understand how my dad went along with this?

It's like living in a snow globe and every so often someone comes along and gives it a shake, and my world turns upside down and resettles into a completely different shape.

What do I do with this? I don't know how to think or feel...

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YeOldeTrout · 24/12/2015 12:44

I'm not really understanding.
I can believe that OP's parents were terrible in other respects, but wrt to the genetic disease....

It sounds like OP's parents knew there was a lot of (horrible disease) in the family. It doesn't sound like they understood for sure what that meant in any way, and that's part of why they made such bad decisions about it.

Friend had dysfunctional (abusive, neglect) upbringing as well as a severely disabling/high mortality genetic disease, which was badly acknowledged. Those were separate problems. They did make each other worse, mind.

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MiscellaneousAssortment · 25/12/2015 11:41

YeOldeTrout they absolutely did understand it. And 'not understanding' can't ever be an excuse for the things they did. I actually did use it as an excuse and a way to minimise her behaviour for most of my life.

But, it's not true that they had no idea what was going on. They had vital information that would have stopped my sister living and dying in fear and agony. With that information I would have been able to access the right kinds of physiotherapists, drugs and also would have been early intervention to manage my condition and probably stop my condition deteriorating as much as it has.

It wasn't like they had that info before they were married then never heard anything about it until I pitched up to break the bad news to them... That's one of the upsetting things. There were chances throughout mine and my sisters life. They were given more info and (particularly she) reacted by denial, withdrawal and discrediting the doctors motivations - which I believed as a child and teen.

I do get that once they'd started to lie about it, it would be hard to stop as they'd look bad... But really, I don't get how someone would do this. And I think I never will.

Would you watch your child dying of the condition you knew about but deliberately with held... And do nothing? Actually worse than nothing, would you say you didn't believe she was ill and she was 'doing it for attention'... That isn't about lack of information. That's about something completely different. They had information yet my mother still decided to declare that my sister was making it up / it was all in her head etc. Would you try and make your child think she was the one responsible for her illness and she should just 'snap out of it' if you knew it was real? Seriously, would you do that?

And would you watch your grown up child slowly deteriorate, not be able to walk, in agonising pain, scared and docs not knowing what was wrong, slowly losing everything (house, job, husband etc)... And even though you knew what was happening would you decide to keep it a secret, and let her suffer for 2 years before I happened upon an orthopaedic surgeon who'd just been to a conference seminar about my condition ...

Because I would not.

Happy Christmas. (Bah humbug, ugh, a difficult day).

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MoominPie22 · 25/12/2015 12:59

Miscellaneous Whenever you talk about your parents it always makes me wonder " why would you even bother to have kids in the 1st place!"...seriously though...if that is the dispicable treatment meted out to you and your sis, why in Hell's name did they even bother to procreate??Shock No disrespect intended.

Do you think they just hoped for a miracle and that neither of you would have this awful, life-changing condition? And if neither of you had, and you'd both been healthy kids, would they have been like "normal", loving parents, do you think?

Or do you think you'd still be posting on here due to toxic parents even if you had been born without this condition?

Some stories I read really are traumatizing and it honestly does make me wonder sometimes if people have kids just so they can abuse them in 1 form or another. Cos it really does sound like that was their sole motivation for having kids, when I read some awful stories ( both yours and others on Stately Homes ). I'm not religious but I really hope they go straight to Hell cos God knows they've had a lifetime of opportunity to repent their sins. Flowers

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PausingFlatly · 25/12/2015 13:05

Misc, thinking of you today. Flowers

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heavenlypink · 25/12/2015 13:16

Miscellaneous I can relate to your situation so so much as I'm living it too

I found out in July last year at the age of 42 (through my own research) that I have a genetic condition that in turn my DS also has. It's variable and whilst I haven't been effected too badly it explains every problem my teen SN son has and has had. Her response "Oh you have got it" Bit odd when it's blindly obvious she has it herself.

I still very angry with her, though for the sake of my son I do my best to get along. I can't help but wonder if this explains why I have always felt second class to my sister

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WhoTheFuckIsSimon · 25/12/2015 13:49

You need to make up a list of questions and insist she answers them. Inc stuff such as why did she let your sister suffer? She may have some sort of reasoning, even if her reasons are a bit bonkers as to why she thought it best you didn't know.

You then make a decision if her reasons/excuses are acceptable to you. That's if she answers the questions, I suspect you may need to almost bully her to get her to answer. You need to think about what you'll do if she won't answer.

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YeOldeTrout · 25/12/2015 13:59

I don't know what journey you need to go on to come to terms with this, OP.

With so much vague information in this thread, then it's true I shouldn't have ever commented.

Most people don't understand genetic diseases & I doubt your parents were any worse than average. Sounds like this was just an extension of their general shiftiness at being parents.

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Hissy · 25/12/2015 15:17

All the questions in the world, all the lists and demands will name an nothing.

In their heads they have done nothing wrong. None of this happened.

We won't ever get the answers we need. They did what they did for their own reasons, I don't even think they know themselves. No point in trying to get anything out of them.

Even IF they knew they wouldn't give us the satisfaction of helping us.

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PausingFlatly · 25/12/2015 15:50

Agree with Hissy that she will never answer questions. And if she did, it would be made up nonsense to stop the questioning.

People who re-write history even as it happens, and who are always right, and always the saintly little martyr, will be as honest about this as they are about everything else in their lives: ie not at all.

It's not like other people actually matter, even their own children...

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wizzywig · 25/12/2015 21:11

Me and my husband are carriers of a genetic defect that has caused various disabilities in our kids. The first time both sides of the family have had any disability. We are now both sterilised as we now know we cant subject another child of ours to a disability and also its heartbreaking for us as parents. We have had horrible things said to us such as "you are awful people to not want anymore kids as you dont want the possibilty of raising a child with a lifelong disability". I dont know if my post is even relevant to your situation OP.
I cant understand why yr mum was in such denial. Ive heard stories of what things were like in the old days where having a disability was a stigma and made yr family look bad and it was best to hide things and hope for the best.

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MiscellaneousAssortment · 26/12/2015 15:20

Wrote a long post and it got deleted...

Am finding it very hard being near her. And I'm snapping at DS which is utterly unfair :(

Wrote about what she did last year at this time that was utterly unforgivable. And broke me. And any love I had left for her. Maybe it's good as even writing it down is making me fall apart and I can't afford to fall apart now as I don't want her to see me crying. Weakness isn't something to show in front of someone like her.

Finding it very very hard.

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 26/12/2015 15:27

Am finding it very hard being near her. And I'm snapping at DS which is utterly unfair

Under the circumstances I think that's completely understandable ... maybe it would be worth considering how much contact you're going to want with her, at least until you've had some time to process this?

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MiscellaneousAssortment · 26/12/2015 15:35

The answer would be none. Can't bear it :(

She goes home tomorrow, thank God.

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 26/12/2015 15:45

Sound sensible to me, Miscellaneous Smile

I realise I perhaps shouldn't say this, but I confess I was a bit surprised to learn you'd had her for Christmas at all; IME people like this can so easily interpret a thing like that as "everything's just fine" and then use it for more self-justification

Hopefully, though, that's at least one thing you may not have to worry about in future?

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MiscellaneousAssortment · 26/12/2015 18:24

God I'm really struggling. Every tiny thing she does fills me with rage. Was hoping I could go for being the better person but I'm very much failing to do that. I hoped I would be strong enough to basically imagine she's any old elderly relative invited for Christmas out of charity, and basically (ok doesn't make me sound very nice), be generous and patronising.

I can't do it. I am so FUCKING ANGRY. I can't stand the way she's namby pamby ooh wouldn't hurt a fly everyone pity me faffy vulnerable old lady. She's an evil fucking bitch who held her family to ransome for decades and made herself God. We indulged her sick fantasies and let her rule the world (our world anyway), where she played tyrant, despot, persecutor and king. She has no conscience for her fucking war crimes for the home.

She is just trying to do the same through 'oh look I'm a poor old lady' crap. One of her selfish deluded foul strategies for the last 6 yrs was to feign incompetence and get my father to do everything for her.

And I mean everything. It was disgusting and infantile. She wouldn't even eat off her own plate, she's male my father order his then insist he cut it in half for her and she would eat it on tiny little bird crumbs ... With a steally look of victory in her eyes. Vomit worthy.

She always accused my sister, and then me, of faking illness to upset her and 'get attention'. Well it's as if she was actually jealous and since my sister died has put on all these ailments and incompetencies, which she used to keep my father stuck to her side 24/7, and shed turn into a screaming harpy if anyone dared get in the way. Eg me last Oct rushed to hospital w flashing lights in middle of night and no one to look after DS. My dad came down to stay (my mother obviously didn't, that would mean acknowledging anyone but herself needed help)... She was vile and lied to everyone about what was wrong with me, that it was a completely different minor problem. To the point where no one visited or texted as it was so minor (I was in ICU btw). And she not once phoned to ask how I was, she didn't bother to get in contact until a few months later when she rang to say my dad was very ill.

Anyway, I digress. Back to rant number 1. She has pretending to be very ill (she does have the condition btw), for years, and saw me daring to get poorly as competition. She's actually even said that without any sense of embarrassment. As its 'her turn now' sick bitch. So all these illnesses (No docs involved, GP at most, classic evil bitch manipulation strategy. However, the sad truth is of you pretend to be completely incompetence and inadequate for long enough... That's what you become.

So her pretends has become real, and that's the real trap for me. She can't look after herself. Arrrrrghhh ducking bitch evil twat.

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lavenderhoney · 26/12/2015 19:08

You need a counsellor to vent to- you have that already?

You need a counsellor to talk about your ds and how you handle that and life ongoing.

Your ds might need a counsellor to talk to whilst all this is going on. Find one through your counsellor or through the school. How old is he?

You need to get this woman out of your life PDQ and not feel bad about it. The stately homes thread might be helpful, in relationships.

My DM and dsis didn't mention they'd both had v early menopause. V early. At 30, and before. When I questioned it, they said " well you weren't married so it didn't matter" like fuck it didn't matter:(

I can tell you I only found out when I was pregnant and they both expressed amazement:( " we thought you'd never find anyone in time and have DC" nice :(

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 26/12/2015 19:50

Was hoping I could go for being the better person but I'm very much failing to do that

No, please believe me that you're not failing - even to have had her there was a very principled thing to do, though the outcome could probably have been expected. At least it's only until tomorrow (I think?) and then you can hopefully remove her influence from your life

By the way, the "helpless little me" seems to be pretty classic too; IME they use it as a buffer against blame; after all, if she's so incompetent, how she can be responsible for anything? Hmm

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HormonalHeap · 26/12/2015 21:00

My family are in denial about seriously acknowledging a gene that although not life threatening, causes a life limiting disability. They minimise this disability which I have. This is of course not on the same level as yours, but I just wonder why they like to brush it under the carpet. I chose to have children knowing there's a 50% chance that they would inherit. They are now teens and I have always been upfront with them about their chances of it affecting them, and the probability of medical advancement within their lifetime. They are not affected at present and have both refused testing.

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MiscellaneousAssortment · 26/12/2015 21:59

Bleugh. Thanks all.

I am not feeling ok.

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lavenderhoney · 26/12/2015 22:03

And op - its blindingly clear you are already the better person Flowers You don't need the approval of anyone, only yourself and to feel as though you're doing your best now.

I strongly advise you concentrate on the future now, and drop the past. Its in your and immediate family best interests to do so and you'll feel better for giving yourself permission to do so. you have no obligation whatsoever.

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lavenderhoney · 26/12/2015 22:05

When I say drop the past I mean you and your ds are most important.

No one else.

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MiscellaneousAssortment · 27/12/2015 01:10

I think what made me say yes to the worst idea ever (her coming here for Christmas), was a few things:

  • DS losing another member of his family, he's only got me and my mother. He's very not ok from these loses and me being disabled etc, I don't want to cause him any more hurt and rejection.
  • family loyalty (habit?), Christmas is for family
  • sorry for her, as me & DS are all her close family and it feels a different kettle of fish to separate myself from her now, as opposed to a few years ago when she had other family
  • shame - didn't want to be as bad as her / be the bad guy. I know people are pissed off by feeling guilted into helping her, and she clearly can't manage on her own... And I found out she's been lying about me, tells people she's got no money for taxis / cleaned/ general help yet I've offered to pay for some help, but she makes out she's been abandoned by family oh dear poor little her etc. So she'd be telling everyone how awful I am and it hurts to think people I grew up with think I'm shirking my responsibilities / being unkind to a poor harmless widow etc.


I'm wondering if there's a way to say no to her being near me without it a blowing up in my face? I'd like to take a firm but polite route if there is one?

I know I shouldn't care, but I do :(
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TinklyLittleLaugh · 27/12/2015 01:46

I dunno Misc. I inherited a genetic variable condition from my Dad. I feel like my Dad minimised it and I didn't get all the help and treatment I should have got, which has greatly impacted on my life. And perhaps worse, was brought up to think of it as something a bit shameful.

I think he did this because he genuinely did not realise my condition was much worse than his. But also because he felt terrible guilt and shame about it and his solution was to simply pretend it wasn't happening.

Are there some elements of this with your mother?

The worse thing was, when my Dad got older, and his disability became worse, he was terribly needy and helpless about problems I'd always had to tough out for myself. And I despised him a bit for that and I was quite angry about it. I have some regrets that I couldn't find it in myself to be more understanding and forgiving but it is what it is.

All we can do Misc is try not to let the bitterness hurt us even more and be better parents to our own children.Flowers

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MiscellaneousAssortment · 27/12/2015 09:31

Thanks for everyone's posts. I will reply properly too them and keep wanting to, but struggling to keep head above water during The Visit.

I feel good and therefore terribly guilty... Just a few hours now. I've already booked her taxi to the train station Xmas Hmm Xmas Blush

Slightly awkward as she wanted DS to sleep in with her last night (she's in DSes room) but DS didn't want to and he wanted to snuggle in with me instead... I kind of wish he had wanted to have some last time with her but obviously not going to force him. He's loved having her here, except for me turning into horrible angry mum.

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/12/2015 11:27

Re her "Christmas stay" I'll share again the very wise words of a dear friend, who said that when making a choice, you can only go with what seems right at the time; point is, you can't know that the "other" option would have turned out any better/differently

I'm not going to lie - I honestly don't believe you'll be able to avoid her blowing up no matter what you say; her lying is long established and unlikely to change while she believes it buys her some advantage. That said, IME others aren't always as easily taken in as we think; time and again I've been ashamed to realise they'd actually understood a great deal, but simply not said much to avoid making things even worse

It seems to me you've got more than enough to cope with without worrying about the welfare of a toxic liar who's let you down so thoroughly, so badly and for so long. As my friend said, use all the information you have to make the best decision for you, and do your best to ignore the rest

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