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Why doesn't he like me? I don't want him as Godfather

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PinkBallerina · 18/11/2015 17:09

DH and i have been together for 10 happy years. DH has two BFFs from his childhood. Lets call them Man1 and Man2.

Man1 is a friend of mine. He actually fixed DH and i up on a blind date and we have been together ever since. Man2 is the problem.

When DH and i met, Man2 was in the Marines and so we didn't see much of him. He then left the Marines and so was around much more and i had the chance to get to know him as we all lived in London. But this has never gone well. He is i think a nice guy, quite alpha male. But for some reason he has never warmed to me. I always feel very uncomfortable around him. This is his doing, i try to chat but he never wants to interract with me. He never talks about his job for privacy reasons (specialist Police) so i can never say "hey how was work". He has very outdoorsey hobbies like rock climbing and sky diving which i know nothing about so i have always found it hard to strike up a conversation about that, but i do always try. He doesn't have a problem chatting up women, i have witnessed this on nights out. So he can talk but for some reason he doesn't like me and won't make the effort to talk to me other than very very basic conversation.

We now live abroad and Man2 has visited us over the years. I have always made an effort; lovely fresh bedding and flowers in the spare room, i cook nice home cooked meals, bake fresh bread and cakes etc etc, i think i do a good job as a hostess. He is polite when he is here but if for some reason he and i are alone, like when DH is at work and his flight back home is a couple of hours later, i always feel uncomfortable and our conversation is minimal and uncomfortable.

I have spoken to DH about this and he says he doesn't know why he is like this and it isn't something i have done. I always let Man2 and DH do their manly things together; they go off skiing, nights out etc. I am not the kind of wife to keep DH on a short lease. So i don't know why he has a problem with me. DH doesn't have an answer other than that Man2 is very alpha male and perhaps thinks we don't have a lot in common. He is right but Man1 is also very alpha and i have no problem talking to him, he is friendly and pleasant.

We made Man1 Godfather of DC1 and DC2 is due to be baptised soon. DH wants Man2 to be Godfather. For all the reasons mentioned, i do not. DH really wants Man2 to be godfather, as DH, Man1 and Man2 are BFFs for forever etc etc. DH knows why i have my reservations but still wants to go ahead. We will see Man2 at Christmas, it will be the first time we have seen him in almost a year. After 10 years of feeling uncomfortable around him i have had enough. I want to know what his problem is i just don't know how to do it.

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Duckdeamon · 18/11/2015 20:27

Yes, if you think he's actually quite sexist and puts women in boxes, that might further put you off having him as a GP!

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PinkBallerina · 18/11/2015 20:33

Exactly right MrsMolesworth he is wooden, uncommunicative, doesn't look me in the eye. He greets me with a handshake and a few words. He has never been mean at all he is not a mean person. Sometimes he will close his eyes to pretend he is sleeping when i know he isn't sleeping he just doesn't want to talk to me eg. after skiing we are all in the sauna/ jacuzzi and he will sit on one of the loungers and pretend to sleep, i know he just doesn't want to engage with me or look at me.

Maybe i should

  • not email him or talk to him about it
  • not make much of an effort for him when he visits us next
  • let DH make him GF and just go along with it
  • try to not let it bother me
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Twinklestein · 18/11/2015 20:41

I wonder if he's one of those men who took his bff marrying really hard and he sees you as the one that took his mate away.

I mean he could fancy you but from his behaviour I don't think it's very likely, it sounds more like he fancies your DH tbh.

I don't think you need to have him as a GP if you don't feel comfortable with him.

What gender is DC2? He might make a good GP to a boy, but I wouldn't make him one for a girl personally.

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PinkBallerina · 18/11/2015 20:41

I don't think he is sexist. He is quite old fashioned perhaps. Years ago we were out one night and another man knocked me and he pinned the man to the wall by his neck in retaliation. We were quite shocked and DH put it down to him leaving the Marines / back from a tour of duty and not quite adjusted to civvie st yet. It is the most emotion he has shown. I was surprised. After that he was just normal again; silent, ignoring me.

Anyway off to bed. Thanks for your thoughts i appreciate it. I am glad i didn't send the email.

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StillYummy · 18/11/2015 20:41

Maybe it is like in love actually..... Grin

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Twinklestein · 18/11/2015 20:44

Way over-reaction to your being knocked.

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Duckdeamon · 18/11/2015 20:46

I wouldn't call physical assault "old fashioned"! Bloody hell. If you don't see him often how do you know it was a one off?

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PinkBallerina · 18/11/2015 20:48

DC2 is a girl, so only 1 GF and 2 GM we have been told. Hence this is an issue for me.

Maybe he is gay and DH was his first love, oh god help me.

Not seen the whole love actually film but just googled it and seen Andrew Lincoln holding romantic signs up - the exact opposite of Man2 i think!

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Cabrinha · 18/11/2015 20:51

Isn't lovely fresh bedding in the spare room a basic?
Doesn't everyone give guests a clean bed? Confused

Look, you don't do the bed / flowers / baking stuff for him. You do it because it's the way you like to host. You do it for him. I don't think he needs to be more than ordinarily grateful for that. I doubt he cares whether there are flowers there at all. It would be more making an effort if you always had a rock climbing recent magazine in there for him.

I'm not saying that home cooking isn't a nice thing to do. You do sound like a good host in that way - but it's not as big a deal as I feel you're making it.

You say you always try to make conversation but you're clearly awkward about the topics. It sounds like you're trying way too hard. Like you're trying to host the perfect dinner party and introduce everyone with the perfect introductory snippet. You've known him 10 years - just leave him alone! You say you feel awkward with him, I'm sure it's the same for him. Who knows who started that... but I expect it's escalated. You just don't sound like you have anything in common. My limited experience of Forces men is that they're pretty happy on their own and don't need to make social chit chat.

I'm sorry if I've got this all wrong and he's actually off with you.

But it seems to me that good hosting is recognising your guests needs. His need is not for polite small talk, but to be left alone to chill out. I'd just postpone the godparent chat irbil after you see him next, and try hosting differently. Don't try to engage him with small talk about a sport you don't care about. See how the atmosphere goes if you just let him fend for himself.

If you do feel he is rude after that, get your husband to ask why / it's his mate.

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Cabrinha · 18/11/2015 20:53

Twinklestein why do you think he would be a good GF to a boy not a girl? The issue here is his attitude to the mother. Which is the same whatever the child's gender.

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Twinklestein · 18/11/2015 20:55

Ok, if it's a girl definitely not. If he has a problem with you he may well project that onto your daughter. You don't want your daughter to grow up with this weird man who treats her mother like she doesn't exist? What kind of role model is that?

He may not be able to connect with a girl - particularly is she's a girly girl.
And it's quite possible that he might end up feeling resentful that he's been given this task.

He may just have a bit of a problem with women, even if it's just shyness and discomfort rather than chauvinism. Being able to chat women up and having sex with them is not the same as feeling really comfortable with them. That he gets on with Man1's gf doesn't tell you anything - she may not push his buttons.

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HeteronormativeHaybales · 18/11/2015 20:56

Tbh, I think he may well hold a candle for you, particularly in light of your last post. Is he single?

I was all for saying 'make him godfather, he sounds a good 'un despite his attitude to you', but, again, your last post puts a different perspective on it. A man who can flare up into physical violence like that is unlikely to be a good role model.

I'm also struck by how badly you seem to have wanted him to approve of you, and the way in which you have gone about it (by acting in a very 'traditional' manner). I suspect that the dh of one of my friends doesn't like me much, but, as he is perfectly polite and nice, I shrug and let him get on with it. (And as it happens, my dh doesn't like the friend, but is perfectly happy to be civil around her). Why is his approval so important to you?

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StillYummy · 18/11/2015 21:09

Watch the film op- it is 1) very good and 2) the character Andrew is playing isn't soppy for the rest of the film.

It wasn't really as serious suggestion but please watch the film, it is a classic.

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PinkBallerina · 18/11/2015 21:27

Maybe i am just a bit insecure. I want his approval because maybe i think that he thinks i am not right for DH, not good enough for him, perhaps.

Man2 will be in my life for as long as DH is, and certainly as a GF for as long as my DCs are, which i hope will be forever! I don't fancy spending the rest of my life being around someone who clearly has issues with me and i just don't know why he does.

I haven't acted traditionally for him, i do it for me. I like to be a good hostess, we live abroad so i do an awful lot of it, it is the only way we see friends so regularly. I guess i have always longed for his approval and his friendship. Maybe i need to come to terms with never getting either. Which is a shame, i do like the guy even though he doesn't like me.

He doesn't have a GF at the moment, well not one that we are aware of.

I don't know about the torch thing. I am friendly enough with Man1 maybe i should ask him. I have tried discussing Man2 with Man1 but Man1 never wants to talk about it or just shrugs it off.

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Twinklestein · 18/11/2015 21:34

Yeah perhaps Man1 can help you. Either way I wouldn't let him be GF to a girl.

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PinkBallerina · 18/11/2015 21:41

Text sent to Man1

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Cabrinha · 18/11/2015 21:52

You're joking?
If my husband texted my close friend, to ask why my other close friend didn't like me, I'd be really pissed off.
Why aren't you asking your husband to speak to him?

In your last post you sound so needy about him, I'm not surprised he doesn't act comfortably around you. Forget him carrying a torch for you, perhaps he thinks you're carrying a torch for him and that's why he's awkward! Even if not, he must be picking up on your desperation for approval.

I can't believe you've involved Man1 instead of your husband! Shock

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Cabrinha · 18/11/2015 21:53

And I'm aghast that another poster suggests that someone who is rude to women shouldn't be a GF to a girl, but fine for a boy! Really?! What kind of role model is that?

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Thisismyfirsttime · 18/11/2015 22:06

When you say he seems to get on better with man1's gf what do you mean? How do you know? DH has a friend like this, Marine then other secretive jobs and although we've spent a lot of time together over the years we are not friends ourselves, he's DH's friend! You say you find him 'interesting' due to his jobs, do you probe him or try to get him to open up about them? If so he could be backing off from not wanting to be questioned about it. Either way, I have friends who are mine and perfectly civil to DH and he has friends the same, then we both have friends who are more friendly with both of us and that's ok in our house. I don't think he fancies you necessarily, just perhaps has less in common with you and isn't particularly bothered about flowers in his room or cakes!

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Thisismyfirsttime · 18/11/2015 22:09

I should have added- if he's good with your children and loves them why shouldn't he be GF to one of them? He's not rude or nasty to you and being GP is about the child, not you.

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HPsauciness · 18/11/2015 22:24

You do sound a bit desperate for his approval, but honestly, sometimes people just don't really click. I don't get on amazingly well with one of my good friend's husbands- she obviously likes him and I'm happy she's happy, but I do struggle to have anything in common with him whatsoever, and if he asked me outright if I personally liked him, I'd have to say no!

You are supposing he doesn't like you and has 'issues' with you, but what you describe is quite a reserved man who doesn't make that much chit chat and sometimes pretends to be asleep when you are left alone as he probably can't think of anything to say. This is no worse than reading your Kindle or something like that.

I honestly think you are brewing for a fight here, and making more of it than it is- and if you are right, and he has a massive issue with you (why would he?) then what can realistically be done about it, he's your husband's best friend and presumably they will carry on being friends.

If my husband started poking my friends to see if they liked him, perhaps they don't! This friend isn't your friend nor is he married to you, so he does not have to think you are 'right' and really really like you!

If you don't want to do the godfather thing, that's a bit different and I think you both have to agree to resolve that.

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Littlefish · 19/11/2015 06:30

Pink - I know that tradition says that girls should have one God father and two God mothers, but when ds was christened, we had two of each. There was no problem and in fact the vicar said we could have as many as we liked!

Perhaps having 2 Godfathers might make you feel better about having Man2 as one of them?

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Enjolrass · 19/11/2015 06:44

So man 1 has made clear he doesn't want to be put in the middle and you text him, to put him in the middle, anyway?

It really sounds like you are the sort of person that must be liked by everyone.

My mum is like that. People go round and she makes a huge deal, at work she does the same. If people seem to not think she is amazing it really winds her up.

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Hoppinggreen · 19/11/2015 07:20

I suspect that he can only interact with women who he is chatting up or who he fancies and as you are the wife of his friend he doesn't out you in that category so has no idea what to say to you. He may also be quite comfortable with silence so doesn't feel the need to fill it with chatter.
It might come across as rude but perhaps you should see it as him being relaxed around you?
Also, being a Godparent has no actual standing and is really just an ego stroke for the recipient so I wouldn't worry about that aspect of it.
I think you just need To relax around him and leave him to his silence and go and do something else.

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Hoppinggreen · 19/11/2015 07:24

Just seen you texted the other friend - you really need to back off!!
He doesn't have to like you, not everyone does. He may not even dislike you, he might just not be bothered.
He's not your friend, stop being so needy?

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