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Making the last month at home bearable

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CherryBrandy · 02/08/2012 20:17

Hello everyone

I'm 19 years old and have just finished my first year of university. I am due to go back in a months time and sadly, I can't wait.

Throughout my teens, I had a hard time with my mum- yes, there were times when I was a complete cow and thought the world revolved around me but my mum simply could not choose her battles wisely. Yes, she was right to go into meltdown when I was 15 and an hour late home or covered the bathroom in hairdye but tears, screaming and shouting when I 'unloaded the dishwasher wrong' or when I took her hairbrush without asking was in my eyes- pointless.

These daily battles continued until I went to university, but then our relationship improved. We weren't on top of each other all of the time and could do all of the things that mums and daughters to do without any of the rows and tears.

I've been home for 2 months now, and been thrown out twice and threatened numerous times for things such as a messy room, leaving the backdoor (which is guarded by neighbours fences and a locked garage) open and not straightening her hair 'enthusiastically' whatever that means. All these things will ensue a toddleresque meltdown and silent treatment.

My room is the biggest battleground, however trivial and childish it sounds. I work 35 hours a week, have a busy social life seeing friends and going to the gym ect. - so to me, having a few clothes on the floor and my dressing table covered in make up pots isn't a big deal and it's not really on my list of priorities to clean up right away. I am also living out of one big box in the corner of my room because I came home from uni with more stuff than I left with like clothes and big bulky books and ring binders which simply have nowhere to go. This box is usually the cause of full scale rows which result in my mother crying and kicking me out of the house because I have 'no respect for her home'. Usually I would hate to see my mother in this state, but she is being so incredibly unreasonable I just can't help but be defiant and cheeky. When I lived in halls in my first year where I was equally busy, my system of allowing things to get a bit messy but having a good clean on Sundays worked fine. I can't stand her coming into my room, inspecting it and opening all the windows (it smells because I'm dirty apparently) and scrutinizing a sock on the floor.

Two things today have annoyed me which made me feel the need to post, as I need some advice on making things bearable.

My boyfriend has been here for a few days, and he is made to feel unwelcoming here despite us being together before university. We are not allowed to share a room which is incredibly hard as we are long distance both in our hometowns and at university, I don't want to have sex in my parents house- but I want all of the cuddles and shared sleep that comes with. My mum laughs at me when I say these things. I do understand that this is a her house, her rules scenario but he is always accused of making a mess and belittled in a jokey way that I find irritating. Also, if we go out for the day- we're using a house like a hotel and if we stay in (like we did today) we are accused of being bone-idle lazy, making the house a mess ect. despite me putting two dishwasher washes on, two washes on and hanging out to dry.

Throughout today- I have managed to misplace my passport. I was applying for a conference and I had to put in my passport number which was when I realised it was missing. It was good I looked as we are going to visit family on Saturday and I need it to travel, I thought it was in my jewelry box but I seem to have moved it somewhere else for safe keeping and forgotten where it is! Naturally this doesn't help my case when I say my bedroom isn't messy- but it simply must be in my drawers somewhere. I've looked in the obvious places and am currently taking a breather as you can't find lost items with the 'I CAN'T FIND IT' mentality.

Boyfriend made the mistake of saying 'well if worst comes to worst, CherryBrandy can go get one faced tracked for £90'- mum didn't say anything but as soon as we got home- MELTDOWN. He's entitled, I'm entitled, we don't know the value of money, She won't be paying x amount for a new one.

I earn my own money and don't want anything from them, especially if it's my fault that I've lost it. Not to mention I know it's here somewhere...

She's downstairs shouting passive-aggressive things about my laziness and how she wants me gone, and I am fucking sick of it. I want to be in my house in my university town where I can leave my socks on the floor.

Advice, words of wisdom, anything. I could honestly cry

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daisiessunflowersandtulips · 04/08/2012 08:57

CherryBrandy, I think you've been getting a rough time on this thread. I feel for you I really do, as not too long ago I was in a similar situation at home myself.

Firstly, do you have a dad, an older sibling, aunt/uncle, godparent, ie any adult who is on fairly intimate terms with your family, knows your mother very well and can give you some perspective on this? Because its very easy to read this (or anyone's) account in cold words on the internet as either mad mother or nightmare daughter. Ask someone close for their honest help and support. You might be surprised and your mother might listen to them.

In coming to a better solution, you will both need to respect boundaries and compromise. (Apologies for the cod psychology - I eventually found out that it's actually true). The thing is, YOU are the one who will have to be seen to make the bigger change, whether that is right or wrong because

  1. It's her house
  2. You evidently want the situation to change (or why are you posting) so the ball's in your court and the only way anyone in this world can influence anyone else without a gun is through their own actions
  3. Either you are difficult to live with or your mother is as difficult and mildly unhinged as she comes across. In either scenario she won't be willing to make the first move.

    So what does this mean? Firstly no cheek or defiance. Yes it's unfair if she's treating you like you're still 17 and you can't act like it, yes it's tempting to fall back into old habits, yes it's probably no harm on its own. Tough. it is the oil on the flame and it has to stop. If you disagree with her, say so politely. Eg she says you've been bone idle all day say "I'm sorry, mother, I put two loads of washing on and I did xxx and xxx. I thought I was pulling my weight. I am happy to do another chore or go out and get out of your hair".

    Secondly, however she reacts treat her politely and with respect and more to the point make it clear you expect the same from her. Arguments about unloading the dishwasher? "I'm sorry mother, I did my best. I wasn't aware you wanted it done a particular way. I'll bear that in mind, but I find your reaction hurtful when I was only trying to help".

    Thirdly, don't borrow her stuff, clean your room and send your boyfriend away for a few days. Yes it's unfair. It's also damn less unpleasant than the status quo.

    Make it clear, WITHOUT being passive agressive, that you are doing your best to be easy to live with. Say that you are trying hard, but tantrums and shouting is making it difficult. Be as magnanimous as humanly possible. Enlist the support of other family members to calm your mother down AND to help you see where you are winding her up.

    This doesn't mean following your mother's every little whim. Just try to keep on top of the things obviously bothering her.

    Of course you don't want to do the above. I didn't want to do it because I was in the right, because it was my home too, and for a million other reasons. My dearly loved (and now sadly missed) grandmother sat me down and told me everything I have said to you. She told me that in five years neither of us would remember or care who was right or wrong but we would remember and care that our relationship dissolved over fucking coffee table coasters. She told me that my life would improve immediately by doing a lot of little tasks I didn't enjoy instead of having rows about a lot of little tasks I didn't enjoy. She told me that I could insist on my mother being polite and calm with me provided I was polite and calm with her. She told me that once I stopped fighting my mother on every little point, it would become a lot easier for everyone and in particular my mother to see if she was highly-strung or actually depressed and that if she didn't think people in her own house were against her she would be much more willing to get treatment.

    My grandmother was absolutely right.
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HeleninaGoldChariot · 03/08/2012 21:07

OP I am also going to rant now. I could be your DM. I have wept, more than once as my teen DC have left yet another heap of crap somewhere/been totally rude/broken stuff/used the last of my particular shampoo/turned the kitchen into a bomb site/ignored polite request to empty the dishwasher/loaded dishwasher 'wrongly' i.e. without rinsing so that it does not clean properly and I then have to deal with it/ and yes, I'm met with incredulity if I ask for a small favour. Your DM asks you to do her a favour and (I suspect) you did it grudgingly?

Sound familiar? It is wearing day in day out and eventually after years of this there are days when one more small thing can send me into orbit. I have, though, learnt to pick my battles and decided long ago that what goes in in DC's rooms stays in their rooms and they are entirely their space.

The sense of entitlement of youth sometimes means its difficult see that parents have a life of their own, feelings, and their own boundaries which should be respected. I too have had the 'you don't respect me or this house' conversation. Nicely, several times. Shouting, several times. Trying not to shout and privately crying instead, several times. Going out of the house "to Tesco" (its 24hrs) as I'm tired of being spoken to like I'm an idiot, several times. Irrational? yes. However, if a DP spoke to me like this, I would kick him out.

Try and see if from your DM's point of view too, cut your part of the 'cheekiness'/opposition and maybe offer to do something for her willingly occasionally. Remember your DM is the one who puts the roof over your head, food on the table and is that invisible maid who cleans the toilet.

If you can't do this, or having thought carefully about this it really is one sided then you should find your own place and live as you wish. Rant over.

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ladyWordy · 03/08/2012 20:04

I read your first post Cherry and it seemed to me your Mum needs some help. She does sound a little off-centre.

I've been home for 2 months now, and been thrown out twice and threatened numerous times or things such as a messy room, ?. not straightening her hair 'enthusiastically' ... All these things will ensue a toddleresque meltdown and silent treatment.

Rather excessive to my mind. How on earth do you enthusiastically straighten hair? Threats, kicking out?Why the meltdown and silent treatment for something so trivial?

This box is usually the cause of full scale rows which result in my mother crying and kicking me out of the house

?crying and kicking you out because of a messy box? Actually crying? I'm assuming it's just the box, and you aren't omitting or minimising some other large issue here.

So, Hmmm. Some strain is to be expected when adult daughters come home. But this feels like someone used to a very high degree of control who cannot help kicking off if something isn't exactly right.

Given that you're also wrong for being home ? cluttering the place up ? and wrong for being out ? treating the place like a hotel - I would suggest you find any way you can to get out of there.

Take another job, as Natasha suggested? Find a bedsit with BF? Something! This isn't healthy for either of you.

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NatashaBee · 03/08/2012 16:08

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Spellcheck · 03/08/2012 15:55

You do work hard and it's fantastic to see. My boyfriend's much younger brother is 19, at uni and has never worked a day in his life (can't get a job, apparently). When he's home (rare as they live abroad) he barely lifts a finger. He's saved up all of his allowance and instead of going to see his parents this summer, he's breaking their hearts by swanning off around Europe with his girlfriend until September. 3 weeks in and he's already rung to ask for more money. Your mum doesn't know she's born!

I also wondered why she's so bothered about your room? I could understand if you were messy around the house, but I reckon she could cut you some slack with your personal space.

Is she completely unjustified in this? I appreciate crying over a badly-stacked dishwasher is OTT, but it might be a straw/camel's back thing, a culmination of all the frustration she feels. Can you honestly examine everything and see where she's coming from? We only have your side to go on!

There might be something else going on here. Depression? Menopause?

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Hesterton · 03/08/2012 11:48

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CogitoErgOlympics · 03/08/2012 10:49

I think what you're experiencing is reasonably normal, even if it's not all that pleasant at the time. There has to be a little parent/child friction or no-one would ever leave home. Hell hath no battleground like a house with two adult women and, once you get your own place, your relationship will be far better. How to survive the last month... turn on the charm, be considerate and do as you're told.

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Nanny0gg · 03/08/2012 10:32

Oh dear.
I sympathise with both sides here. It is very hard to have your nice ordered life turned upside-down when your beloved children come home for a few months. Don't forget, just as you've got a new life, so has she. Add your boyfriend into the mix and I can see where tensions will rise.
And whilst it is admirable that you are working so hard, the fact that you also have a busy social life will leave her feeling that she and her home are at the bottom of the pile.
So what will seem extreme over-reaction to you will maybe stem from extreme frustration on her part.

As regards to your room and no space - is there anywhere (garage, spare room) that you can store some of your big boxes? And bring your wardrobe clear-out sooner -it will make your life easier, your mum happier and you may find your passport!

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Limelight · 02/08/2012 21:54

I remember having this sort of relationship with my DM. Basically, you need to leave home, and she needs you to leave home. You unfortunately have some summers to get through but then it's over and your relationship will be all the better for it.

You're not her little girl any more, and I suspect she's struggling with (and slightly panicking about) the fact that she has less control over you than she once had and that you're on the cusp of being a properly independent adult. She's clearly not handling that well, but she's not the first Mum to find that hard and she certainly won't be the last (I remember my DM sitting on the bottom of the stairs crying because I was on my way out with friends and she couldn't understand why I didn't want to be with her. She'd be mortified if I reminded her of this now).

It's hard for you too because ultimately you want to be long gone and so you should. Without being patronising, it's all part of growing up and you've had a taste of that freedom at Uni. You want to live however you want and indeed make mistakes. It's really tough but you're nearly there.

In the meantime, you are going to have to play the long game, trust that your relationship with your DM will improve once you're not forced to live in the same place. It absolutely will - I've no idea how I'd cope without my DM on the other end of the phone these days.

Remember that she's allowing you to live there rent-free, and the bottom line is that she didn't have to do that. It shows that she wants the best for you and wants to help you out. It might just feel as if she has a funny way of showing it sometimes.

Somewhere underneath all of that is your DM. Do more than you need to for now. Keep everything spotless, religiously keep what seems like a lot of very arbitrary rules, accept that you and your BF are not going to be sharing a room any time soon, don't give her any ammunition. Keep smiling, suck it up, try and go out of your way to do some really nice things for her. It's only three months!

Smile

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HighJumpingHissy · 02/08/2012 21:36

CherryBrandy, you sound admirable actually. You work harder than I did aged 19! you'll go far I've no doubt of that.

I'm more than twice your age, so can tell you that 4 weeks, a month is such a short space of time in the grand scheme of things, you really only have to deal with her when you get home until you can reasonably go to bed. Just keep your head down, nod and try to ignore. If you rally against her it will only fuel her fire. Just agree for the sake of it, and keep your mind on the fact that it will end, and very shortly.

I know that you are suffering at the hands of your mother, but think about this, it really IS only for the next 4 weeks. Once you are out of there, you can be GONE from her forever.

I don't care if she has some kind of ishoos or whatever, it certainly doesn't sound a healthy environment for you to live in.

I don't like the chucking you out of the house twice nonsense. It's highly manipulative. I hope you get away from her, far away and don't look back. Don't go back to her again, look on gumtree and flat share if need be, but don't let her to this to you again.

She doesn't deserve you.

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foolonthehill · 02/08/2012 21:28

I on the other hand am 43 and feel that the OP has been given a bit of a rough ride on here.....

The wrong way to empty the dishwasher????
Messy room...well it drives me crazy too but i haven't yet resorted to tears, and throwing my Dcs out of theirs.
I think it sounds like you are working hard plus cooking and washing for yourself. Ok living rent free...but hardly freeloading and wasting your time.
The boyfriend thing...well I think that is just a case of her house her rules.

Can you possibly talk to her and say this is making you sad too? and could you give her any of your time off to do something together over the next couple of weeks (even if it's just a planned night in with a film) it might help if she feels there is more of a relationship between you. And if not then at least you will have tried.

For what it's worth i never went home for more than a few days after i went to uni...I worked in my new town and just visited. So if the battleground remains live then you could look at staying where you are especially if you are in a student house next year.

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HecateHarshPants · 02/08/2012 21:22

I wonder what your mum would describe if she was to come on Grin a daughter who leaves mess everywhere, who borrows her stuff without asking and who has an attitude whenever she says this is not on?

It is not normal to cry over how a dishwasher is unloaded. So either your mum has a problem - eg OCD or depression - or she has had years and years of this sort of thing and has just had enough.

If you don't like the rules in your mother's house, then rent a room in a shared house or something. What you don't do is be - what did you say? defiant and cheeky. That's not helpful. It's only going to escalate things.

She's not happy, you're not happy. You clearly can't live together. Find a shared house, shared room even. Or hostel. Really be out there, on your own, paying everything yourself and then you won't have to have these battles with your mum because you won't be a child messing up her room, you'll be an independent adult making her own way in the world.

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Lucyellensmum99 · 02/08/2012 21:22

you are not a mardy cow - but just try to see it that it is a stop gap, you don't want to be getting into debt so you dont have to stay at home over the holidays. Grit your teeth (i know its pants i do!), you are working all hours anyway so you can minimise the time you are together and spend more time at your BFs?

You may sound like my DD, but your mother sounds like my DM! God knows where that leaves me Grin

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aleene · 02/08/2012 21:21

LucyEllen, I think the Op does not sound entitled and was just sticking up for herself when you tried to label her that way. The Op sounds like a normal 19 yr old, working hard and feeling frustrated that her mum always has a criticsm.

Op I would try to keep your room tidy (to keep the peace) and really try to think of an alternative for next summer. I agree with the poster who says your mum is not going to change. Are you an only child?

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CherryBrandy · 02/08/2012 21:18

You would if you've had the abuse I've had today!

Sorry. I'm not a mardy cow all of the time...

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Lucyellensmum99 · 02/08/2012 21:14

gosh, do you react to your mum the same way you reacted to me just there?

I was being a little tongue in cheek when i called you entitled - but i was just pointing out that, you are not having to fork out rent and its really not such a long time that you are home and whilst your mum sounds like a loon, i do sympathise i really do, you just need to get through the holidays? Play her game to make things more pleasant?

You remind me of my daughter - she is 22, lives with her BF (they pay £600 a month rent!!) and i am dreading the call, "mum, it didnt work out, can i come home" because like you - we clash, its six of one and half a dozen of the other, i love her, i'd die for her, but id find it so difficult if she came back home. I think your mum is maybe struggling with this too.

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CherryBrandy · 02/08/2012 21:10

Thank you everyone, regarding the room- I do tidy it once a week. I literally have so much stuff in there that even getting ready creates clutter as I'm pulling things and lotions and potions out of drawers and my wardrobe is fit to burst. Due to have a massive clean out in a couple of weeks...

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UnexpectedItemInShaggingArea · 02/08/2012 21:09

Can you just stay in your uni town then? Or go to a different town that they have a branch?

You are sounding very sorry for yourself, I have no doubt you have good reason to, you are probably tired out. But you need to think creatively about how you can solve this, it doesn't sound like your Mum is going to change.

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Oopla · 02/08/2012 21:07

Eesh, sounds awful. Do you spend any time together that's not in conflict? It could be that what she'd really like is to do something with you but is struggling to find space in your adult life.
Agree with poster above, give your room a clean so she's no chance to moan and perhaps suggest a sit down an a chat. I imagine it's the last thing you really want to do but it might throw up a few surprises Smile good luck

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CherryBrandy · 02/08/2012 21:03

Oh, I'm very very entitled. So entitled I'm working 49 hours this week in a job where I get treated like dirt and don't want to come home and be cried at for unloading the dishwasher in a way she doesn't like. I don't pay rent no, as they are reasonable enough to appreciate I need to save all I can to get through university on a £3200 loan. I do all my cooking and washing as well as I work odd hours and aren't home for meals.

I would love to work abroad in the summer, but my job that I'm in at the moment works on transfers between my uni town and my home town- if I took 6 weeks off to be a club rep or teach english I'd lose my term time job as well. :(

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Lucyellensmum99 · 02/08/2012 20:58

But the thing is, it is her house, she clearly hate mess, so you really are going to have to suck it up. The same with the boyfriend not staying in your room - you'll survive! Do you pay a fair rent? are you sorting all your own washing? cooking?

oh and she says your entitled?? be careful what you say - she is clearly a mumsnetter!!!

Im not being mean, your mum does sound unreasonable, and quite a lot like mine, i could never live with my mother again, but then im 41 and shes 75!

I don't mean to sound unsympathetic, but you sound a bit, um, well, how can i put this - entitled!

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amillionyears · 02/08/2012 20:52

There is only one more summer after this one,if you get a job after you graduate.
It doesnt sound like you are going to get very far with your mother.
Perhaps next summer you might think about applying for a live in job during the summer,either in your home town ,or elsewhere.

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UnexpectedItemInShaggingArea · 02/08/2012 20:51

until I graduate I will always have to spend the 3 months of summer at home

Why?

I worked abroad every summer I was at uni. It sounds horrible at home, just get yourself out of it.

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CherryBrandy · 02/08/2012 20:48

-The back door wasn't open, just unlocked.

-She's always been like this.

Moving out would be the best option as she's always threatening to kick me out, and I will be in a months time. However, until I graduate I will always have to spend the 3 months of summer at home.

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Keepcalmanddrinkgin · 02/08/2012 20:32

I could have written this, my mother acted like this when I was your age. I don't mean to sound old (I'm not, I'm 25) but you should maybe use one of your days off to tidy your room properly and then she has no ammunition for a fight. I understand it's hard to be back for a few months from uni and living out of boxes but it will help. Could you stay with your boyfriend instead of staying at your house?

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