who should educate your child state or you ?

[Isdore]

I am worried about something and i would like us parent to take action against this trend of eroding parental responsibility. I feel the state wants to take away of our role has parents.

i have 3yr old (to young yet !) i am very worried about this !! :( :(

Please don't take the guidlines at face value-ask your school what content they are using

we need to write our MPs : stoprse.com/index.php/contact-your-local-mp/

They going to expose our children to sexualise content at the age of 3 on wards. They will decide(guidelines) this in the next 2 months

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/235053 - please share this

Currently (January 2019) a subject known as Sex & Relationship Education (SRE) is taught in some UK schools; it is not compulsory and parents can withdraw their children.

However, the law is changing ….

• From 1st September, 2020 Relationship Education will be taught as compulsory in all primary schools across England (from Reception Class upwards).

• From 1st September, 2020 Relationship & Sex Education (RSE) will be taught as compulsory across all secondary schools across England.

• The government has produced draft guidelines (July 2018) on what must be taught but these are currently vague and minimal. However, they do state that L_G+B+T+ issues must be taught to all children and recommend that these issues are taught across the entire school curriculum. We are currently awaiting the finalised guidelines which should be produced in Spring 2019.

• Schools must develop their own Relationship Ed/RSE policy and curriculum and are free to determine how to teach Relationship Ed/RSE issues. Schools are free to choose whichever Relationship Ed/RSE resources they decide upon; however, the guidelines state these must be ‘age-appropriate’ and sensitive to the needs of the pupils.

• The draft guidelines clearly state that schools must work and consult with parents on the development of the Relationship Ed/RSE policy and the curriculum it uses.

I have also heard rumours that they are going after home schooling under the pretext of "boogy monster topics you see in news"! its unacceptable.

Has a catholic and parent we should have the rights and freedom to choose whats best for our children not the state or the lobby groups!

We believe it is the parent’s fundamental right to teach their child RSE topics or to at least decide who teaches them and when and how they are taught. We want the right to opt our children out of RSE when it becomes mandatory in Sept 2020.

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We have grave concerns about the physical, psychological and spiritual implications of teaching children about certain sexual and relational concepts proposed in RSE and believe that they have no place within a mandatory school curriculum.

We believe the above factors have not been given enough consideration and that many of the RSE resources being produced by lobby groups and external organisations will actually cause more harm than good, particularly when child development and psychological factors are considered.

[Micro1]

You're a coward if you refuse to look at the damage of teaching children certain topics. You're a coward for passing the responsibility of "keeping your child safe" to the state. You're a coward if you have done NO research into what your child is learning when you aren't there.


You’ll never change your mind, so no-one will ever meet this challenge in your eyes.

I won't change my mind when the SAME argument is presented to me over and over. I'm more than happy to debate the role of the state, various topics or how some parents are cowards but I won't change my mind on specific topics that i have mentioned before because some of them are just immoral and perverse. This is why I said the one thing I can respect about people who follow a religion is that their morality is not on a sliding scale. Many have already illustrated that theirs is.

As I said, you all sound like you're reading from the same book and using weak arguments to justify lessons which sexualise and psychologically damage children or just plain ignore these issues and claim they don't exist.


I think you’ll have to wait a bit longer yet. First you actually need to understand the definitions. Are you confusing vulva with clitoris?!

Looks like I will be waiting longer since you conveniently ignored my other questions. The irony is it seems you are confused with the definitions, this demonstrates that you do not know what your child is learning.

Ks1: H25. to name the main parts of the body including external genitalia (e.g. vulva, vagina, penis, testicles). Taken from the PHSE programme of study which incorporates the newly introduced RSE.
Please refer to the picture I have attached. Take note of the age range.


Same as you then.

I agreed with your comment about some religious people and institutions. I went into more depth too. I did not blindly argue against the issues you mentioned out of ignorance or arrogance.


I’d say most people who are perfectly happy for schools to teach sex education are the very same parents who are already have those discussions with their children.

You should clarify what you think sex education is before we continue. If you think sexual arousal, orgasms, and masturbation is sex education then do you speak with your children about this before they go to primary school? Another parent above has said she/he does. Do you agree with that parent?


It’s actually accepting that not all parents do discuss these things and being happy that kids aren’t kept in ignorance.

I will not not teach my children sexual arousal, I will not teach my children about orgasms, I will not teach my children about masturbation, I will not show my children pictures of genitalia, I will not show my children cartoons having sex, I will not teach my children topics which can cause psychological harm, I will not teach my children that they can choose whatever gender they want, I will not allow the state to teach my children these things.

What I have learnt to accept is there are parents who allow their children to learn these topics and happily stay ignorant and claim no accountability to the repercussions of their choices.

You are confusing parents having conversations with their children about the natural cycle of life with sexual perversion. Sexual perversion in this context is sexualising young children and teaching them materials which have no place in a child's psyche.
You are also confusing parents having conversations with their children about boundaries with introducing images and concepts to them that they are too young to understand. An example of this is consent which is a concept taught in RSE. Consent is defined as "give permission for something to happen" - this indicates a choice. Do you tell your children they have a choice in who can cross their boundaries? Can you not see how these concepts can be manipulated to cause harm? Boundaries are never to be crossed, there is no choice. Stop putting that responsibility onto children, just protect them like you should. It's so simple.

Again, the argument I hear is the same every single time. Justification, pure ignorance or straight up support of the teaching materials. All of which are ignoring or downplaying the issues brought forward by parents who can see there is something morally corrupt in what is being taught to children.

[DropYourSword]

Looks like I will be waiting longer since you conveniently ignored my other questions.

I conveniently ignored your other questions because I got bored and stopped reading. Just as I’ve stopped bothering to read your message after this point!

Honestly, you aren’t looking for an open conversation. You just want to argue. I think you’re wrong. We’re done here!

[Micro1]

@Muffinsandfruitcakes I completely agree, and it's an unfortunate truth that many don't want to face. Once we send our children to the state we are giving them the responsibility to educate them however they see fit. I applaud you and other parents who are proactive in protecting their children from education that is damaging.
When I went to withdraw my child from some of the lessons I was told I couldn't, I read through the science curriculum and the RSE outline. There is NOTHING to indicate a child must sit through these lessons and the RSE outline is very vague thus open to interpretation. You must be shown the specific lesson materials if you ask and if you think they aren't appropriate you have the right to withdraw. My child was withdrawn after a long conversation with the head teacher.
Another parent asked what the children would be taught and the teacher straight lied about what they would learn, despite it being a legal obligation to show parents the lesson materials.
Other parents have used playground chat as justification for learning this mess rather than just addressing where this mess came from. In fact, they have actually proved that these topics are a mess as surely children should be able to reiterate the information they learnt in a way that is not damaging to other children. Hypocrisy is loud for a reason. I digress, it is a reality that playground chat could introduce these topics so like you, I'm considering homeschooling now.
I have much respect for parents like you.

[Micro1]

Honestly, you aren’t looking for an open conversation. You just want to argue. I think you’re wrong. We’re done here!

Coward.

[Fallagain]

By sending your child to state school you are making the state responsible for your child’s education.

[Newnamemsz]

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[JessieLongleg]

Well the wider amount of people children meet the more tolerant of they become. At about 5ish they note the world around them can't believe in this modern world you don't know anyone who is gay etc to spark a conversation about it. Hence why this is needed.

[AlexaShutUp]

Home schooling is an option if you don't like the school curriculum.

Personally, I think children have a right to learn about this stuff. It is possible that the trans ideology taught in some schools might differ from my views on the subject, but I wouldn't have a problem with that - I would just present an alternative point of view to my child.

I think it's concerning when parents are frightened of their children being exposed to different ideas, beliefs and points of view. If you're confident that your position stacks up, then what have you got to fear?

[Micro1]

@JessieLongleg I understand what you're saying. I have friends from school who are gay/lesbian who came out as adults. I have a family member who is a lesbian and nearly went through life changing medical procedures before she found the confidence to happy in her body, as a woman. Before she was comfortable in her body she was in a deep depression and now she is happily married with a wife.
I don't think gay or lesbian people should be shunned from society and be a dirty little secret. I think many are concerned that convincing a child they are not the same gender as their biological sex can create all sorts of confusion issues. I was a tom boy as a child, that didn't mean I wasn't happy being a girl or that I believed my biology was different to my gender.
There are many trans people who have regretted their decision and at a later date was happy being gay or lesbian or just realised they didn't have confidence in their body.
This is why it's so irritating when people scream homophobic for no reason. Society has seemed to have gone from shunning gay and lesbian people to shunning people and labeling them as homophobic who have rational concerns that gender related topics are confusing children.

[JessieLongleg]

Personally I don't think teenagers should go through full biology trans changes as it's a time for a lot of us have unknown insercurites about our bodies. Being young we many thing we know it all but cant really get the full consequences in life. But I don't see gender etc studies as a method of teaching someone to be a certain way just to make people more aware of other people in the world. Also to tackle things like the very sexist language we have in society for example I was with someone describing a reaction as being a big girls blouse, and a young girl said that's not socially acceptable to say(after learning gender studies at school). Why not, many studies have shown women handle pain better than men and put their needs below the rest of the family. So it's a very outdated saying. Maybe some people are not just anti trans but know they gain for acting like the weaker partner in a relationship.

[JessieLongleg]

@Micro1 see my reply to you above forgot to tag yourself

[Micro1]

@JessieLongleg
I think the problem with gender studies at a very young age is that children will relate much of what they learn to themselves before applying it to others. We know this, which is why we explain to a child how it feels to be at the receiving end of bullying to teach them that it isn't nice to be a bully. They are learning about the world and learning about how they will fit into it. Just teach children that people live different lives and that's OK. Simple.

I think that making children look at themselves as merely a social construct of gender creates confusion in their mind and we have yet to see the repercussions of this.

My sister works in a high school and has found that in the last 5 years depression, anxiety, insecurities etc has risen massively in the children. Many of these children also say they identify as a different gender or identify as genderless and express that they feel suicidal or show signs of depression and it many circumstances the teachers have been told they need to be given permission from the child to tell their parents about anything they have said in school. This school is one which Stonewall has heavily influenced.
Many of the teachers in this school are finding it very difficult to openly discuss their concerns and observations as they are immediately labelled with homophobic or anti-trans.
I am not insinuating that the LGBT community have caused this I am simply pointing out that there is a generation of children who are suffering with the concepts that are shown to them and noone is doing anything about it. But yet you all care so much about children?

Now these concepts are being taught to children from the age of 5. There are even parents who are raising their children as genderless. We do not know psychology to the extent that we know how a child's mind will process this information being presented to them.

I have spoken to MANY gay and lesbian people who condemn what is happening in schools and are not supportive of it. Their voices are not being heard however.

Telling a child that they can choose their gender or that gender is not the same as biological sex will not stop sexism. It doesn't make any sense.

many studies have shown women handle pain better than men and put their needs below the rest of the family. So it's a very outdated saying. Maybe some people are not just anti trans but know they gain for acting like the weaker partner in a relationship

Many men are well aware women can handle physical pain more than they could. Many men respect women for that. Anyone who places themselves lower in a partnership is not in a true partnership. That applies to EVERYONE whatever your sexual orientation is.

Who is anti trans and gains for acting like their weak in a partnership? Gain what exactly? You're viewing women in relationships as weak then? If a woman is in a relationship and she is comfortable to show her vulnerability do you deem that as weak? A man showing his vulnerability is weak too? It seems YOU have an issue with weakness and are scared to be vulnerable. You might need some lessons in relationships and how insecurities manifest into people "acting" strong, in that case. I am a proud woman and mother. I love the strong women and men in my life and we are all comfortable being vulnerable around each other.

A woman can knock your teeth out whilst carrying a baby on her back to protect her family. Nothing weak about that, Mums are amazing. I believe women should be respected, as without women none of us would be here. I believe men should be respected for that same reason.
Men who abuse women are cowards, women who abuse men are cowards and anyone who abuses children are a waste of oxygen and I believe brainwashing a child into being genderless is a form of abuse.

[Muffinsandfruitcakes]

@Micro1 whilst some families are okay with showering together and nudity or discussing sex with their 5 year old over their spag bol or fish and chip supper, people need to realise that not everyone and certainly some cultures wont be. Some cultures will find talking about sex in an open forum quitr offensive. Some people and cultures don't talk about sex openly and its spoken about privately on a need to know basis decided by the parent. Such people should be allowed to withdraw their child from being present at any such "teaching"/indoctrinating sessions at school. And no, home schooling should not be banned as a pp has suggested, freedom to home school should be banned no more than his/her right to vote.

[AlexaShutUp]

[quote Muffinsandfruitcakes]@Micro1 whilst some families are okay with showering together and nudity or discussing sex with their 5 year old over their spag bol or fish and chip supper, people need to realise that not everyone and certainly some cultures wont be. Some cultures will find talking about sex in an open forum quitr offensive. Some people and cultures don't talk about sex openly and its spoken about privately on a need to know basis decided by the parent. Such people should be allowed to withdraw their child from being present at any such "teaching"/indoctrinating sessions at school. And no, home schooling should not be banned as a pp has suggested, freedom to home school should be banned no more than his/her right to vote.[/quote]
It's tricky, isn't it? On balance, I don't support banning home education, but I do worry about it sometimes. The lack of regulation seems to prioritise the rights of the parent (to educate their child as they see fit) over and above the rights of the child (to get a good education). Some HE kids get a fantastic education, of course, but what about the ones who don't?

Children are not the possessions of their parents. They have rights and needs of their own. Ultimately, I guess it's a question of the point at which the parents' right to practise their culture and religion etc is trumped by the child's right to receive a broad and holistic education. And who gets to decide.

None of these questions are straightforward, but I think if we have to err on one side or another, it would be on the side of giving the child the broadest possible education, with parents offering their own input alongside that to challenge and question anything that they don't agree with.

[Micro1]

@Muffinsandfruitcakes Again, I completely agree. I think it's perverse how much detail parents go into about sex, many of them not even speaking about it in the context of reproduction or the natural cycle of life. It's not a surprise since they are separating gender from biological sex so of course they would have no issue between separating reproduction from sex.
Some cultures and religions view sex as a sacred act. Many people laugh at the idea of that but I would hope they teach their children enough values and to "be kind" to not poke fun at girls and boys for being virgins and pressure them into having sex when they aren't ready.

People keep saying that children aren't anyones property but yet they also scream for all these regulations to be forced onto children because they think it is best for the child. They are so very hypocritical.
These people claim to be inclusive but are so quick to exclude cultural and religious differences. It's like they want everyone to be the same, same culture, same beliefs, same sex, same gender, same same.
The natural world is a system built from the diversity of organisms and humans are no exception to this. They claim people like us have an irrational fear of change when in reality they have irrational fears of differences. These people are happy to defy laws of nature but I BET you they are climate change and environmental activists. Hypocrisy is funny and I love pointing it out.
I didn't see where someone said homeschooling should be banned but it's no surprise. They can do one, idiots. Their probably scared that a home-schooled child could excel in life and be different lol.