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So 47% of current Y6 are failures.

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noblegiraffe · 05/07/2016 20:41

Or at least they would be labelled as such if they were a year younger.

This time next year, those who don't meet the expected level in their KS2 SATs will be forced to resit them in December of Y7 (and, I believe, again in June if they still don't pass).

Today's figures are:

53% of pupils met the new expected standard in reading, writing and mathematics
66% of pupils met the new expected standard in reading
70% of pupils met the new expected standard in mathematics
72% of pupils met the new expected standard in grammar, punctuation and spelling
74% of pupils met the new expected standard in writing

That's an awful lot of kids whose transition to secondary school will be blighted by the expectation of lunch/tutor/after school intervention and possibly summer school.

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ParadiseCity · 06/07/2016 11:37

It's so utterly rubbish.

I just keep thinking it HAS to be scrapped soon. Such a shame that we don't have a general election coming up.

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GlindatheFairy · 06/07/2016 17:14

Do we get the scores, or just find out whether they have met the satisfactory attainment?

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sorenofthejnaii · 06/07/2016 17:17

I know 1 child who got 99. So that's below expectations.
100 and they'd be at expectations.

Still - the teacher assessment was that they were fine. So that's the key message and not a 1 off test.

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skybluepinkish · 06/07/2016 17:42

The SATs were brutal (the reading paper in particular). But ultimately they mean naff all. Secondary schools do their own assessments. We just need to reassure the children that they are certainly not 'failures' even if their results aren't what they would have wanted.

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EverythingWillBeFine · 06/07/2016 17:47

My dc got his scores in each subject, one evaluation of the teacher, one with the SATS. I assume this is to reassure some Kate ta that their dcs us t miles behind even if they deemed 'below expectation'

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icepop9000 · 06/07/2016 17:54

I am very glad that my son is current Year 6 as I am pretty sure he failed his Reading as he was quite ill at the time. Currently awaiting whether he is allowed special circumstances.

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BeanyGodkin · 06/07/2016 17:54

As a secondary school English teacher, mum of 4 and anti primary testing, in the past I would have advised you to keep your kids off school during SATs. It never made the blindest difference when they arrived at high school apart from to generate their final expected GCSE target grade. If they didn't have a SATs mark, they didn't really have a system generated target grade...so what? The kid just did what they did and got the outcome that they got. In many ways missing your SATs makes your child a person, not a pile of data.
I'm not sure now with this supposed new compulsory re-testing. Skiving off on SATs days might prolong the agony.
Most sec. schools have their own testing to determine setting, so I wouldn't worry too much.

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jwpetal · 06/07/2016 19:36

What happens if a child is deregistered and doesn't take the SAT? I know that children, who are home schooled, don't take the SAT and don't have to in secondary school. Is that changing?

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MachiKoro · 06/07/2016 19:44

It hasn't been announced yet. Currently, those sitting but not achieving 100 will have to resit in Y7 (twice, if necessary). The govt haven't said whether children that haven't sat them at all (HE, newly arrived, independent primary) would have to sit them then too.

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sleeponeday · 06/07/2016 20:09

You know, speaking from a funding perspective, I really, really don't think Morgan has fully considered the repercussions of this one.

The Notional SEN Budget is the money given to schools to meet additional needs, when not allocated to an individual child. It's a glob of money the school can assign as it sees fit, because it's a rough and ready calculation of need; some kids won't need much intervention at all, others will need the school to spend the £6k they are expected to provide before the LA has to chip in extra, for the most disabled children, for an individual plan.

The way this is assessed is pretty simple: any child who doesn't meet the expected level in either maths or English (used to be both; is now either) triggers additional funding for the Notional SEN Budget.

An awful lot of schools are going to be entitled to an awful lot more money than usual come September.

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praggatt · 06/07/2016 22:26

47% failed their SATs. This is an attempt to re-introduce the 11+ idea of passing or failing. But now we know that Schools did not get enough money, enough qualified staff, and enough training to get more than half our kids to pass this test. The failure is clearly that of the Dept of Educationa & Ministers who knew what standard was required but failed to provide enough support for what they deem to be necessary. So we need resignations and expulsion of Dept of Education mandarins to somewhere a long way from London, somewhere where reality can be re-gained. We also know that OFSTED assessments are wrong - an "outstanding" or "good" school cannot have any failures at all! Obvs.

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DraenorQueen · 07/07/2016 06:58

Around here, some secondary schools have been advertising posts specifically worth the responsibility of tutoring pupils who have "failed" their sats. A poisoned chalice if every there were one - some children will simply NEVER pass.
But hey. As long as we've knocked their confidence into the ground and made them feel totally worthless instead of focusing on their strengths...

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Verbena37 · 07/07/2016 18:58

I see this change of SATS as nothing more than a way for the govt. to make all remaining non academy primary schools into them.

How easy for them to now say "oh look, we're failing the children".
There we go, academies will save the day.

Out of interest, how do the 'experts' know what level to set any test?
The whole new secondary curriculum is much harder.....work my yr 9 dd has been doing this year was actually GCSE level when I was at school and work GCSE students are doing, we did for A level.

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MiaowTheCat · 07/07/2016 19:02

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noblegiraffe · 07/07/2016 21:50

sleep the year 7 catch-up funding figures were released today, and are going to remain the same as last year. This is funding in order to get up to speed students who fail to meet the expected standard at KS2.

Given the much larger number of students who fail to meet the expected standard at KS2 (30% this year, 13% last year for maths), this means that the funding per pupil for maths (don't know the other figures) has fallen from £500 to £217.

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Feenie · 07/07/2016 22:03

But, as she said on Tuesday, she has not cut funding. Oh no.

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DailyMaui · 07/07/2016 22:55

My daughter "failed" her maths quite badly (she "spoiled her paper" apparently. Instead of her name she wrote she was an idiot - I find that incredibly upsetting)

She is distraught. I'm really, really hoping she gets proper help at secondary to help her over her total fear of maths. We had a very gentle tutor who said that the ability was there, she just had zero confidence. Now she feels really upset that she's going to go to secondary and be judged a failure.

Please tell me she's not going to have to resit. I think that would break her.

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noblegiraffe · 07/07/2016 23:30

She won't have to resit, it's for current Y5 not Y6.

However, please consider signing this petition because there will be children like your DD next year who will have to resit.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131568

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Verbena37 · 07/07/2016 23:31

Dailymaui that's so sad....poor little poppet.Flowers
Pretty sure I read they'd only have to resist from next year.

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sleeponeday · 07/07/2016 23:44

noblegiraffeI don't think we are talking about the same thing. That is funding per child to catch them up in learning, yes? Distinct from the specific funding a school gets to manage SEN more generally?

Notional SEN budget is named "notional" because it's one big glob of funding given to maintained schools to manage their additional needs. It isn't ring-fenced to any child or any purpose; it's just there for them to provide whatever additional needs provision they set up. I was told that at secondary level, the rough-and-ready, snapshot-based way the LA assess need in any given school is by number of kids in the school who were below the expected levels upon entry in either maths or English. Obviously that's a very blunt instrument, and plenty of kids may have physical or social difficulties that don't affect academic performance at all (but will impact budget) but it's the way they do it. Idea is that some kids won't need any more than that basic catch-up, but others may need the six thousand a year a school has to spend before LA funding secured to that child is provided. So it doesn't really matter whether the assessment of need is anything more than a vague indication. Or something.

To be completely honest I'm somewhat scared, because DS is only 7, and if the LA have to find a stack more money this year coming for the secondary Notional SEN, then what will happen to the funding levels at primary level? But at the same time, I can't help but be curious on how the government will manage this one. By altering the way SEN need is assessed, or reducing Notional Budget allocation, or what?

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sleeponeday · 07/07/2016 23:54

And if we are talking about the same thing, and they just slashed funding for the most vulnerable kids in order to pull kids who would have been just fine under last year's arrangements up to suddenly higher levels at the cost of disabled children, then I am horrified by what that means for the budget for SEN.

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sleeponeday · 07/07/2016 23:55

DailyMaui that's horrendous. No child should be in that situation.

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Fanjango · 08/07/2016 00:00

We've not had the results yet. My dd may passed but I know ds will have failed badly, he's currently waiting for ados assessment re autism spectrum diagnosis. I'm so glad it's this year and he won't need to resit, he's a bag of nerves anyway, the transition to seniors is killing what little confidence he has, imagine what having to resit only to fail again at a new school would do. He hates school, is terrified of the new big seniors, doing catch up work is his worst nightmare, what a way to assure he transitions well...NOT!
I fear for the mental health of our youth, pushed beyond their limits who knows what long term detrimental effect it may have. #TellNickyNo

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AnecdotalEvidence · 08/07/2016 00:28

It is so depressing. I really feel for the kids going through this farce.
These new standards are not going to help them!

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