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Prolonged part time school-how can I help dd?

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Edenviolet · 01/09/2014 08:44

Dd2 will be doing just mornings till January. I know this is sensible but I'm wondering exactly how much she will miss out on? Will the school give me ideas of what I should do at home with her or can I really just do what we have been doing at home anyway (drawing, painting, reading, baking, watching tv etc)?

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LIZS · 01/09/2014 13:19

Can you ask your hv/sw/children's centre to help you find a short term place for him, maybe a CM ?

Edenviolet · 01/09/2014 13:19

She does have a 1:1 but she hasn't had enough training so this is the only option, its ridiculous. Stressful for me, not great for dd to have me there each day and not good to have a toddler in class.
Tried other pre schools for a place, all full so no other option. So cross we have been let down by the person who was going to help.

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StripyBanana · 01/09/2014 13:21

Does the school know you intend to come I for the full time for several weeks and not just the first day?

Is there a TA you are training?

This really doesn't sound right.

When is the first day? You need to talk to the school now if they are in to run through plans.

another adult in the class is a big deal. I thought parent helpers had to be CRBd (or whatever it is now) but I may be wrong and youd need to be up with how the teacher wanted you to fit in with class.

I honestly dont know how it ought to be handled but as a secondary teacher (not primary) this doesn't feel right, and should have been established well before now.

Edenviolet · 01/09/2014 13:22

Nurseries here too expensive (ones with spaces are Montessori) and ithink it would be hard settling him in suddenly like that even if could afford it.
Couldn't find a cm locally with vacancies for the hours I need.

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OcadoSubstitutedMyHummus · 01/09/2014 13:22

School may not be keen but what about the 1:1 support working with you at home in the afternoon?

LIZS · 01/09/2014 13:24

HV/SW etc will have access to short term and emergency childcare places which you may not otherwise hear about. Can you not have the 1:1 visit you at home for training before dd starts?

Edenviolet · 01/09/2014 13:25

First day next week. But 1:1 not there as at hosp training for dd that day. Sadly that's not enough though they need to observe me using her pump then after couple days do it with me watching then see how it goes. They know I will bein class they were fine with it and when I mentioned ds they said nothing. Tbh I don't think it has been managed well I wantedthem trained before she started not doing training when she had started.

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StripyBanana · 01/09/2014 13:25

The reception teacher will be trying to settle 30 new children into a new routine and environment. They really can't have a 2 year old in there as well. And you cant be watching a 2 year old and a TA.

Is there a staff training day tomorrrow? Ideally you'd be training her then or you'd have time with your child and the TA away from the class environment (and yes end of last term would have been logical.)

Other mners wil be more experienced than me to advise... but probably back at school!!

quirkychick · 01/09/2014 13:26

Hi Hedgehog I think I remember your other threads. Is it worth getting parent partnership on board as it is a care plan (?) issue?

My dd2 is starting part-time too as she has ds, but support & training all in place. We had a similar issue at pre-school with no support. It was incredibly stressful. I think you need to push the school to get its act together.

Edenviolet · 01/09/2014 13:27

She has done some already over hols but the 1:1 support is split between three people so I have three to train

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StripyBanana · 01/09/2014 13:28

Im cross posting each time.
Oh hedgehog it really doesn't sound at all managed well. I don't know the conditions but are you confident with the TA and the school?

Its not ideal for your daughter to start school with you and her brother there. And I cant see it being fair on the teacher/other kids either.

can they come to you? Is there a good SEN coordinator. Have you been in touch today to confirm arrangements?

Edenviolet · 01/09/2014 13:29

I begged to go in from April. I had a plan of different training sessions, got books and other resources but all requests fell on deaf ears. Now I'm in this ridiculous position. If I'd been allowed I could have done a couple of refresher sessions , that and the hosp training they would have able to care for dd from day 1

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Edenviolet · 01/09/2014 13:33

I don't think they realise I've tried to explain to them how much there is to learn. The hosp training is only how to work the insulin pump so I have to do the rest, basic info, bg testing, hypo/hyper treatments, how to use the cgm and what to do if cgm or pump alarms. What to do if dd has a dislocation, how I help her change/go to toilet (v hard due to cannulas and joint issues) its a complete nightmare, I feel overwhelmed so training others I feel ill get it wrong and confuse them.....all with ds2 there

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quirkychick · 01/09/2014 13:34

Our support is with 3 too. It really shouldn't be left so late. The school should already be ready for your dd. They have a duty of care. What about the school nursing team, are they responsible for ensuring children's medical needs are met?

I suggested parent partnership because they might be able to tell you who to complain to as the school have failed to organise their medical training. There is a child with complex medical needs starting with dd2 and I know that all training is in place for sept.

I think you need to kick ass.

StripyBanana · 01/09/2014 13:34

Oh Hedgehog. Do they know what they are dealing with/how serious it is?

Can you refuse to send her until proper training is in place? If she doesnt start until next week can something be arranged this week?

Is thwre someone that can help communicate this to the school? I dont know your situation but is there another professional that can get involves that the school might sit up and listen to?

I feel so sorry that you and your daughter are in this position.

You may want to approach social services for advice or childcare help if you have a contact with them?

LIZS · 01/09/2014 13:36

Honestly, you cannot hope to do this effectively with ds2 in tow. Why does the training you give need to be in the classroom though ? Speak to the school again and see if you can do sessions in another room with 1:1 and prioritise finding childcare for ds2.

Edenviolet · 01/09/2014 13:40

Because dd will be there and I can't leave her in classroom without support whilst I train her 1:1. They should have let me train them before now I begged them. They said its not law till sep so we will do it then.
Used to have a sw even she couldn't get through to them they'd say yes we will be in touch then they didn't.

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Edenviolet · 01/09/2014 13:41

Community nurses wouldn't help or go in to school as dd is no longer under the care of a local hospital

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StripyBanana · 01/09/2014 13:44

You cant wait for them to be in touch. You need to get on top of this now.

please ring the school and ask to speak to the senco re your daughter. Or have a friend/children's centre worker/someone you are connected with do this.

At the very least you need a meeting to discuss next weeks arrangements.

They need to know you are intending to bring a child in (I can't see that being possible) but more importantly they should be sorting this. You need to be clear and explicit what you want.

StripyBanana · 01/09/2014 13:45

There will be a school nurse attached to the school (amongst others). Thats another avenue to try.

You need to ring school before 3and stress its urgent.

school nursing team this afternoon.

StripyBanana · 01/09/2014 13:46

And what LIZS has said. Suggesting training in another room for a day? You nedd childcare though.

fairgame · 01/09/2014 16:43

Definitely get in touch with the school nurse. I used to be a school nurse and we would do care plans and training for school staff. It shouldn't be left to you to sort out!

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MerryMarigold · 01/09/2014 18:27

To be honest, I wouldn't stress about her starting on the same day as everyone else. Everything is up in the air for at least a week, If it's hard to get hold of people now whilst school is shut, I'd go in and try and sort it so that when dd does start it is easier for her and you and a lot less stressful than it is sounding.

hiccupgirl · 01/09/2014 18:49

The community or school nurses should be liaising with the hospital that your DD is under whether or not it is a local one. It is part of their job to be administering care at a community level....but I have come across this happening with other children tbh. Who has written the care plan for your DD in school?

I would second what other people have said about it not working with your DS there too. It will be really disruptive for your DD, the teacher and the rest of the class but I get that there appears to be no alternative. Did the school put off the tRaining because they hadn't got the staff in place to start before September?

hiccupgirl · 01/09/2014 18:50

To add your DD won't miss anything vital in the afternoons - the rest will be playing and not doing anything too heavy as they'll all be shattered from the mornings.

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