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Are they being a bit precious? re: year 2 children being left at the door

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GreatBallsOfFluff · 16/10/2011 03:49

I'm genuinely looking for answers as I am starting to wonder whether I'm just a cold-hearted btch for thinking these women are being far too precious.

DD(6) goes to breakfast club and after-school club every day of the week and has done since maybe 2 months after starting school in reception. Whilst I read all newsletters and talk to staff at the BC and ASC, I'll admit I don't have the best working knowledge of the school.

Maybe a week or two after the start of this term, a letter went out to all the parents in DD's class from her class teacher. It was generally just a couple of reminder points about how she does things in her class and the show and tell rota. It was slightly abrupt but we've had lots of changes recently with a new head (I think asserting her authority - 7 staff left at the end of July) and I just thought "meh".

One of the points of the letter was about parents not taking their child into the classroom at dropoff and leaving them at the door, whilst encouraging independence by getting the child to hang their own coat up, put their own bookbag in the right box etc. This didn't make an iota of difference to me as DD had been doing it since reception (obviously the staff at BS and ASC don't go around in the morning hanging up each individual child's coat for them [hgrin].

Anyway, that was that and I thought no more about it, until it was mentioned in the school newsletter about year 1 and year 2 children being left at the door by their parents. Ok, no problem again as doesn't affect DD. But after going to a friend's house after school one day, I had the obligatory coffee and chat when I went to pick her up and the mother was fuming about this new rule. She said that the teacher had spoken to her about it one time (albeit it sounded in a nice way) and her attitude was "if my daughter wants a kiss and a cuddle inside before I go then she will have a kiss and a cuddle inside before I go". Ok everyone has different parenting ideas and I know I'm lucky in that DD takes everything in her stride and I've never had a problem with clingyness or whatever so I thought fair enough, knowing what her daughter is like I can understand her attitude (or vice versa [hhmm] ).

So DD went to a party yesterday and it was the topic of conversation at drop off and quick chat before running off to chill out do housework. The other mums there also thought it was a ridiculous rule and was of the "how will little Johnny and Little Sally cope with putting their own stuff away".

Just to clarify, the door that they are to be left at is an outside which leads into their classroom (as I understand it, and has generally been the case with most classrooms at the school). The children then go through the classroom to hang up their coats in the cloakroom, come back to the classroom to put their book bag and lunch box away.

I must admit when having a coffee with the first mother that I was just thinking "PFB" but now having listened to the other mothers I'm wondering if I do expect more of DD then I should and that I am a cold-hearted b
tch for not hanging DD's coat up for her [hgrin].

Or are they ALL just PFB (even though some are not First borns)

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An0therName · 16/10/2011 09:49

I think they are - my DS moved school in reception - in his old school there was no taking in after the first day - in his new school you could but I never did -
then in Y1 the first day you could but not after wards - it was horrible - so stressy - we are talking about 6 and 7 year olds here - I think its perfectly reasonable for them to hang up their own coat - its just the change which it seems the parents have a problem with..

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mrz · 16/10/2011 10:02

As a Y2 teacher I spend the first half hour of my day "policing" the door when I could be working with individual children or a small group before lessons begin simply because some mothers seem to think their child is completely helpless without them and they can't possibly hang up their own coat or carry their own lunchbox all the way to the classroom Hmm

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noramum · 16/10/2011 10:11

We are leaving DD, who just started reception, always at the door. They form a really nice queue, her teacher and the teacher assistant are there, greeting them and they go inside.

Apart from the first day I never go with her. I say good-bye and that's it.

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Putrifyno · 16/10/2011 10:14

I'm abroad but at dd's school once they start Primary you drop them at the GATE. They have someone on guard, but parents aren't supposed to go in at all. Dd has a massive backpack and her classroom is on the second floor. She seems to have coped perfectly well......

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DownbytheRiverside · 16/10/2011 10:24

I used to stand in my doorway when I taught Y1, smiling and greeting and being lovely.
Short and stout, children ducked in and parents couldn't.

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mrz · 16/10/2011 10:32

I was barged out of the way by a mum last week DownbytheRiverside whose son couldn't possibly manage the zip on his school coat without her

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DownbytheRiverside · 16/10/2011 10:37

Trust me mrz, she'd have needed a bulldozer. Smile

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DownbytheRiverside · 16/10/2011 10:39

But it really is the mummies, isn't it?
The majority of children love being helped to become more independent, having a secure routine and a sequence they follow which ends with them sitting and waiting for the morning register. It's the mothers who wail and fuss and grumble.

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bibbitybobbityhat · 16/10/2011 10:40

Crikey, that was a hugely long op for a fairly straightforward question!

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VivaLeBeaver · 16/10/2011 10:43

I don't think I ever helped dd hang her coat up, not even on the first day. Don't think we were ever allowed in the school.

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DownbytheRiverside · 16/10/2011 10:45

OP was wondering if she was an inadequate and cold mother for not parenting in the way that some of the other mothers were regarding as normal. I hope the responses pleased her and made her realise how foolish that sort of relentless babying can be.

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mrz · 16/10/2011 10:45

DownbytheRiverside without being rude she was built like one Hmm

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thefirstMrsDeVeerie · 16/10/2011 10:46

Still laughing at Guillotine telling you off Grin

YANBU.

I dont think I have taken any of mine in since Reception. It was either leave them in the playground and rush off to work or wait with them in the line till they were called in.

What used to really annoy me was the same parents every day who would park themselves right infront of the classroom door and refuse to move until their child came out. They would then fuss around putting their coat on etc whilst still standing in the doorway!

It was infuriating.

Now DS2 gets school transport so I dont have to deal with all that until DS3 goes to school next year

I am going for a lie down.

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DownbytheRiverside · 16/10/2011 10:46

Grin With a sensitivity and manners to match?

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DownbytheRiverside · 16/10/2011 10:49

In Y6, the entertainment is watching the same mothers laden down with all her children's possessions and lumbering along like a donkey in need of rescue, whilst her children stroll ahead, chatting with friends and occasionally flinging a demand over their shoulder at the slave parent.

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thefirstMrsDeVeerie · 16/10/2011 10:51

I would like to add that DS2 (who now gets school transport) has attachment difficulties that make seperation very hard for him. Tempting as it was to follow him, reassuring him that I was going to be there at the end of the day and NO I wasnt going to leave him for ever,

I still left him at the door.

Classrooms seemed to be designed to discourage the sort of behaviour in the OP. They sort of funnel kids in dont they?

I am still shaking slighty as I realise what I have done, having two kids in my 40s, primary school for another decade Shock

(dont mean the teachers btw - just the whole school thing)

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DownbytheRiverside · 16/10/2011 10:54

I've peeled limpets from parents and they've attached themselves to me.
Then steered them into class and helped to settle them. But that was only a couple of children with particular needs, not all 30 Y1.

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HauntyMython · 16/10/2011 11:00

Yanbu at all. Unless a child has specific reasons for needing extra help with the day to day stuff they should be able to do it themselves.

When DD was in (non-school-based) preschool I encouraged independence - parents still had to go in, but I made sure she was the one to hang her coat up, find her name tag etc. By the end of her time there I stood just inside the door while she ran off to do this, then she would come back for a kiss and cuddle.

She barely looked back on the first day of school but the way she bounds up like a Labrador puppy on his first trip to the park runs happily up to me after school for a big cuddle reminds me she's still my baby :)

It must be a right pain in the arse for teachers to be falling over extra parents when they are trying to get ready for the day. I only approach the teacher in the morning if there's something important that can't wait until the afternoon, when they are much more able to talk - like if DD was unwell or something.

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margerykemp · 16/10/2011 11:07

Yanbu, at ds's school, from day 1 ie 4yos parents are NOT allowed inside. A few weeks into term a note went out saying parents should avoid loitering in the playground at drop off.

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GreatBallsOfFluff · 16/10/2011 11:22

Sorry bibbity that was rather long for what it needed to say wasn't it [hblush]

Glad it's not just me then! I do doubt myself sometimes thinking "am I expecting too much of dd" but I'm glad I'm not. E.g. at home if I'm in the middle of something and dd asks for a drink, I'll say she can get it herself (which she can) or if we're running late in the morning and she's ready before me then I will ask her to make her lunchbox. Some of her friends' mothers when told this look absolutely shocked that I would do such a thing.

Thanks ladies (and to be honest, from the stories on here I am so glad I don't have to deal with the morning/afternoon playground mummies stuff [hgrin]

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GuillotinedMaryLacey · 16/10/2011 11:40

Apologies GreatBallsOfFluff. As you can see by the time of my posting it was yet another sleepless night and I don't do lack of sleep well... Blush

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GreatBallsOfFluff · 16/10/2011 11:59

No need to apologise guillotine Smile

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MissBeehiving · 16/10/2011 14:10

YANBU. In DS1's reception class it used to absolute hell in the morning but if you wanted to drop and run, you couldn't because the reception cloakroom was rammed with parents and 2 metres from the school gate which led onto the road. I used to push DS1 into the throng and then wait in the playground to make sure that he didn't escape from custody Grin.

Now they have to line up and there is a parental exclusion zone. So much better. I screech up to the front gate, eject DS1 (now in Yr3) ("no kissing in front of my friends") and leave.

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youngwomanwholivesinashoe · 16/10/2011 16:10

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ChippingInToThePumpkinLantern · 16/10/2011 16:26

GreatBalls - you and I would be great friends IRL :) and I love the sound of your DD's teacher! Tell her to stay strong.

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