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Is Gove on his way out?

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OddBoots · 20/10/2013 09:27

There has been thread after thread here about his reforms and I don't think I am being unfair to say that the overwhelming majority of both parents and professionals think most of them are damaging so he can't claim to have public support.

Now there are scathing comments from Clegg about the changes. Free Schools are showing significant problems and academies not far behind them, is it too early to suggest that this is the beginning of the end for Gove or is that just too much wishful thinking?

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flatpackhamster · 29/10/2013 06:20

WithRedWine

"progressive" means moving towards equality, not destroying it by replacing a system of free education with a privatised systen! Just for the record.

No it doesn't. Progressive is the opposite of reactionary. Reactionary is about keeping stuff the same, progressive is about changing it. It isn't about equality at all.

Communists believe in assets being held in common - the clue's jn the name - not in the hands of unaccountable private firms .

But what does that actually mean in country terms? What it means is that the state holds them. And they're held by people who work for the state. So your average Joe Soviet couldn't access the assets held by the Party any more than I can go and help myself to Bob Tesco's chauffeur-driven limo.

MiniTheMinx · 29/10/2013 12:20

How strange it is to find myself agreeing with Flatpack.

Progressive is change, not in any particular direction.

I think its interesting that Gove should be quoting Gramsci, at least it shows that Gove can read even if he doesn't have the critical thinking skills to understand or disseminate what he has read.

ohmymimi · 29/10/2013 14:38

Now I know how to be really scary on All Hallows Eve, I'll trick myself out as a progressive. That'll be a treat for my neighbours. Who shall I go as?

claig · 29/10/2013 15:12

Gove?

ohmymimi · 29/10/2013 15:30

Claig - . 'It's the same old song', but maybe you can't help yourself.

flatpackhamster · 29/10/2013 15:39

Given that Gove is changing things, and progressives seek to change things, Claig is correct.

If you want to go as a reactionary, try going as a teacher. Still clinging on to a holiday system created over a century ago to allow children to work in the fields to bring in the harvest. Now that's reactionary.

flatpackhamster · 29/10/2013 15:40

It's interesting how many socialists mistake the word 'progressive' for the word 'socialist'. You are not a progressive because you hold socialist values, you are a socialist.

ohmymimi · 29/10/2013 16:03

Wooooooo, a socialist, that'll give 'em the heebie jeebies. The Beast of Bolsover, maybe? By the way, no-one is scared of teachers nowadays.

flatpackhamster · 29/10/2013 16:15

You could go as Che. Everyone would think you were cool, right up to the point you told them what a racist child-murdering psycho he was. Then they'd just think you were progressive for changing those alive people in to dead people.

ohmymimi · 29/10/2013 16:32

Well, if I was choosing a murdering psycho I'd probably go for Mark Thatcher's Mummy's little pal, Pinochet.

flatpackhamster · 29/10/2013 17:01

I think it's just adorable the way socialists roll out Pinochet to try to make Thatcher sound bad.

pat head

You're all so cute. And predictable.

GandalfsPointyHat · 29/10/2013 17:07

Claig - are you Gove PR or something?

claig · 29/10/2013 17:36

Unfortunately not!

claig · 29/10/2013 17:38

Gove doesn't need PR, he's not a spinner like the rest.
He lets the truth do the talking!

ohmymimi · 29/10/2013 17:48

Flat pack - why thank you. (Curtsies.). Now wash your hands, it might be catching.

ttosca · 29/10/2013 22:06

It's a bit silly to consider 'Progressive' as anyone who isn't left-wing. Technically speaking, it's true that a 'progressive' is defined by someone who want to change things for their perceived better.

In reality, no one, at least since the Nazis, has called themselves 'progressive' and been right-wing.

ttosca · 29/10/2013 22:08

I see that claig is now fawning over the Tory scum this month. I think a couple months ago he was again defending Labour. Before that it was the Tories.

That's the problem when you have no political education, you're subject to the whims of right-wing populism and whoever makes a more convincing populist at the moment.

MiniTheMinx · 29/10/2013 22:09

Cute, ooh, I'm cute

Gove isn't speaking the truth. Ask him, he's read Gramsci. If he understood any of it he will realise that he is speaking for an elite, its called cultural hegemony.

MiniTheMinx · 29/10/2013 22:10

ttosca but claig is the most fantastic poet and she makes me laugh which I could do with after reading the news.

claig · 29/10/2013 22:42

Thank you, Mini. The cheque is in the post.
I think it is called cultural hedgefund money.

ironman · 02/11/2013 19:22

Gove doesn't go far enough. Gove should look into primary school teachers who only have to correct 6 errors out of 2 A4 pieces of paper and that includes grammar.

This is one of the reasons children are leaving school without being able to read and write!

merrymouse · 02/11/2013 19:27

The Conservatives don't have a majority. Most people who voted didn't vote Conservative. He is making some major changes without any real mandate. It's not surprising that lots of people don't like them. Whether that makes him unpopular with people who actually voted Conservative is another matter. I suspect it doesn't. Equally, without any real Labour opposition, it's difficult to know what the alternative is.

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flatpackhamster · 02/11/2013 19:46

merrymouse
The Conservatives don't have a majority. Most people who voted didn't vote Conservative. He is making some major changes without any real mandate.

By those definitions, who does have a mandate?

ttosca · 05/11/2013 00:36

A political party which obtains a majority in Parliament and carries out policies based on its manifesto?

That's a simplistic model of the way UK Parliamentary democracy works, but arguably, on its own terms, those who fulfill those criteria 'have a mandate' to carry out those policies. (Putting aside all other problems with our democracy like the voting system, corporate media monopoly, etc.)

The Tory scum have absolutely no mandate for many of the nasty policies they are enacting. They were not elected. They did not obtain a majority in Parliament. And many of the policies which they putting through (such as privatising the NHS or the Royal Mail) were either directly contradicted in their manifesto or were entirely absent.

It's pretty hard to think of a clearer case of lacking a mandate, other than getting rid of democracy altogether.

posheroo · 05/11/2013 12:50

Gove out ? difficult to say but taking on the whole of the teaching profession seems daft politics. Dont think Gove is like Tory leader

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