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How to support DD's faith...

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AnnieOneWannaSmackWorra · 10/06/2014 18:18

My DD is 6 years old and switched into the Catholic school board in September. DH is Catholic (but non-practicing) and I am an Atheist. Our DD indicated an interest in religion last summer and so we decided to move her to Catholic board to provide to give her the opportunity to learn about the Catholic faith.

My problem is that, as an atheist, I am finding it very difficult to engage with her when she talks about the day's lessons. My beliefs (or lack thereof) are my own and I want her to be able to make her own decisions rather than blindly following mine.

DD loves her new school and really enjoys learning all of the bible stories. I want to be able to support her educational life as well as her religious life as much as I possibly can. This is going to sound offensive and I really don't intend it that way, but is there such a thing as a complete idiot's guide to Catholicism?

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GotAnotherQuestion · 14/06/2014 13:39

All of those atrocities are not exclusively catholic you know. If only AIDS could be narrowed down to one religion! What an absurd comment.

Mass graves is not specifically catholic related either. Perhaps in that instance it was, but go and read a few history books to see that it's not just Catholics. It's a much broader human error not always a specifically catholic one.

GotAnotherQuestion · 14/06/2014 13:42

Oh and I don't see a problem asking a question but you've twisted it beyond that. Perhaps it originated with one service but clearly it's led to OP's DD waning to learn more and pursue it. So perhaps started with a service but certainly didn't end there.

FiveExclamations · 14/06/2014 13:55

AnnieOneWannaSmackWorra I'm an Atheist and my DD goes to the village school which is C of E. The school is not heavy handed about it's connection to the local church and when the Vicar is in he's very much "... and if you want to make it your prayer too say Amen at the end." I even occasionally help him with his bible story sessions because he's often short of helpers and I like the way he uses bible stories to get the children to think about issues that affect them.

DD at around 6 years old started asking me why we didn't go to church and why she wasn't Christened, so I offered to take her to the once a month family service and we went fairly regularly for a couple of years.

DD knew I was an Atheist from the beginning, when asked by the regular church goers I told them too. It was fine, both sides managed to discuss their beliefs/convictions respectfully.

All this background is to explain that I supported my DD by taking her to church. I went to firstly because she was too little to just leave there and secondly, and most importantly, so that I could hear what was being said. DD and I would discuss the service on the way home and I would add my point of view in a way that DD could understand.

DD stopped going to church over a year ago, it was completely her decision and she's now interested in the Quaker Faith.

So, my way of supporting DD was to go to church with her and by being respectful of whatever she was believing at the time but I do think you can be supportive without giving up the right to have an opposing view.

The question is, will her Catholic school and whatever church you might take her too be as open to an Atheist ambling around and reserving the right to tell their own child that actually, that's not what you believe?

LynetteScavo · 14/06/2014 14:25

There is always much more to a a situation than can ever be included in the OP.

It was mentioned the OPs DH was a lapsed Catholic, and extended family are Catholic. Which probably did make a Catholic school attractive to the OP, whether she is atheist or not.

PoonAnnie · 14/06/2014 14:29

I don't care what faith my daughter follows. As Lynette surmised, Catholic was the obvious choice due to my DH's background. If she decides later that she wants to be Hindu or Jewish or Mormon or an Atheist then I will support her in that.

Thank you everyone for your feedback.

Hakluyt · 14/06/2014 14:57

"is obvious that your main purpose here is simply to mock religion and anyone who dares expose their child to it."

Gotaanotherquestion- if you can show me anyone mocking religion or bullying on this thread then I will give £10 to a charity of your choice.

nicename · 14/06/2014 15:11

If this were me... I'd see if the church were doing any classes. Some do and they aren't all about 'converting the heathens'. Or maybe try to help out at sunday school or kids groups in the church.

I work for the church and always ask weird and wonderful questions about what things mean, why are things done as they are, beliefs, practical stuff and whether cavemen had souls (aparently they do and the jury is out on animals though), and 'why moths?'. The clergy are very patient people!

GotAnotherQuestion · 14/06/2014 16:45

Hak - again, please re-read. I quoted that from the OP's 3rd post. And I posted it, not to demonstrate I agree or disagree but to reinforce the sentiment of the OP.

Hakluyt · 14/06/2014 16:52

GAQ- but you obviously agree or you wouldn't have attacked other posted in the terms you have. I repeat, show me mockery or bullying on this thread. You used very unpleasant language to describe am, amongst others. I am asking you to justify it.

Hakluyt · 14/06/2014 16:54

"Me, amongst others"

Back2Two · 14/06/2014 17:22

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GotAnotherQuestion · 14/06/2014 20:02

Hak - the OP said that long before you came on the scene so clearly it doesn't pertain to you.

My argument with your post is about not respecting the OP. Instead of respecting her wishes you persistently ignores the OP's request at Sat 14-Jun-14 04:47:03 after she said "This is not AIBU and I was not asking for opinions of my parenting choices. I asked for help and/or resources....'

And as for bulling? I wasn't thinking of you specifically, more the likes of posters before you. It is clear their intent is just to argue the toss and is not for the good of the OP (as she made it clear it's not helpful).

The OP has made it quite clear what she came here for. There is something vulnerable about a parent asking for help, and there is something 'bullying' about other people criticising her choices. Talk about kick a man when he's already down!

I have read some of your posts elsewhere and you seem to be reasonably level headed person. This made me wonder if you perhaps gave your reply before reading the posts through and realising the OP had expressed her thoughts in further detail. I hope that's the case, or it doesn't seem to line up with your other posts, which as I say, seem on the whole to be more reasonably balanced. And definitely more respectful.

bul·ly1 [bool-ee] Show IPA
noun, plural bul·lies.
1.
a blustering, quarrelsome, overbearing person who habitually badgers and intimidates smaller or weaker people.

Those who have been "quarrelsome" and "overbearing" know who you are and can deny it all you like. Anyone reading can see for themselves and draw their own conclusions.

And for those who still think their comments were helpful (as the OP requested):

help [help] Show IPA
verb (used with object)

  1. to give or provide what is necessary to accomplish a task or satisfy a need; contribute strength or means to; render assistance to; cooperate effectively with; aid; assist
  2. to save; rescue; succor:
  3. to make easier or less difficult; contribute to; facilitate:
  4. to be useful or profitable to:
LadyWithLapdog · 14/06/2014 21:11

I can think of one particularly quarrelsome poster who brought nothing helpful to the thread.

TheNumberfaker · 14/06/2014 21:49

Got please can you give examples of bullying.

Please also note that neither you nor Annie own Mumsnet. I have every right to ask questions and to challenge her decisions. It is a public forum. I don't think that I or any other posters except you have come anywhere close to breaking the Talk guidelines.

Hakluyt · 14/06/2014 21:55

Interesting, GotAnotherQuestion. When I challenge your accusations o bullying and disrespect, and ask for examples, you say "Oh, I don't mean you- I mean those other bullying disrespectful people"

Somehow forgetting this gem "Hak - you of all people should know better. Ou started a tread asking about respect and then you wade in here, ignoring the OP's request to only revive the support she requested in the opening post? Do you really want to know wha respect is all about or not?"

GotAnotherQuestion · 14/06/2014 22:22

Hak - I said very honestly in my last post that the problem I had with our post was lacking respect for the OP's request Wink

GotAnotherQuestion · 14/06/2014 22:24

(Start of my second paragraph)

Back2Two · 14/06/2014 22:35

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LynetteScavo · 14/06/2014 22:39

Such bickering on this thread!

The op just asked for a bit of advice how to support her dd... which very few posters have offered.

So sad.

Back2Two · 14/06/2014 22:51

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PoonAnnie · 15/06/2014 00:02

Wow. Can this thread please die now? I didn't start this seeking validation for my choice to change DD's school. I am extremely happy with this choice. She is thriving at the school. The quality of education is much better than her previous school and, more importantly, her behaviour has improved significantly.

I appreciate that not everyone agrees with my decision and I respect your opinion, even if I don't agree. I obviously worded my original post very badly to cause such discord and I apologize for that.

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