How to protect baby from infections?

[butterfly92]

Hi ladies... I know you are all probably going to find me odd and weird but this is genuinely how I am feeling and I am sure not many of you will agree but just after some friendly advice!!

I am not getting the whooping cough vaccination simply because I believe there are too many risks of having it. I am not anti vax though, I am getting baby vaccinated but I am not doing it now because I am worried about what can happen.

I am due in October so it will be winter and planning on keeping baby indoors for the first two months until he gets his vaccines. My partner and I are getting the whooping cough vaccine after he is born! I have notified my family that nobody can visit until he has had them :/

Just wondering if I HAD to go out, would a rain cover protect him from germs or breathing in bacteria, Even if it isn't raining? Thank you .. I am an Anxious mum to be!!

[MrsWooster]

Please demand a referral to perinatal mh service. Your anxieties are understandable but deeply irrational and you run the risk of (at least) spoiling for yourself what will otherwise be the most magical time of all of your lives.

[Grassgreendashhabi]

I banned anyone from coming around that was poorly even a slight sniffle

I do understand what you are worrying about but you may need to get your head around the fact that babies especially toddlers need germs

The more illness and colds they get the better their body fights them

[TheHubblesWindscreenWipers]

I must have caught it before I had the jab - I was very young...I was apparently sick for weeks. Whooping cough in adults can make you acutely ill for weeks and longer for months. It's not something you want.

As I said before, if you can tell me what you think the risks are perhaps I can help ease your fears? There's an awful lot of very bad info on the web and a lot of rubbish bandied about on Facebook groups etc.

Insist on a referral to a MH midwife. O am a very anxious mum, so I do understand how crippling anxiety can be.

[butterfly92]

Been reading that it increases the risk of stillbirth, and also it states that it is not 100% effective and at the moment there is not much evidence that it works as this trial of doing it on pregnant woman hasn't been out for very long so we are basically guinea pigs! Yeah I know a lot of people have been absolutely fine but maybe they're lucky in that respect they hadn't been exposed to the whooping cough bacteria even with the jab so there's no proof that it has actually worked! Also there's not just pertussis in the jab it's also diptheria , tetanus , hiB and polio.. How do we know what complications they cause? As for the flu jab I also won't ever be having that as it is linked to narcolepsy in children and 90% of the time that doesn't work either. I am a researcher at university so this is my area of speciality so to speak... I have my reasons why I am going against it. I do not want my baby to get poorly, absolutely no way! But just think if I had the jab and something happens to him in utero there's nothing I can do about it! Not the risk I really want to take amongst other things. I will check the whooping cough rate where I live and go from there and nobody will take me seriously because I am 'bonkers'

[Sidge]

It doesn't increase the likelihood of stillbirth. It doesn't contain Hib. The flu jab doesn't increase the risk of narcolepsy in anyone (and the kids vaccine is different to the adults vaccine now).

The vaccine has been around for donkeys years and contains diphtheria, tetanus, inactivated polio and pertussis (whooping cough). It has been given to pregnant women since 2012 and has reduced the mortality from neonatal pertussis to virtually nil. It is an incredibly effective vaccine and has had a significant effect on the incidence of pertussis.

I don't know what you're reading but I suggest you read this:

www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/529956/FV_JUNE_2016_PHE_pertussis_in_pregnancy_information_for_HP_.pdf

[AlwaysawakeFsake]

Butterfly92. You are certainly not bonkers. You are taking the responsibility to research the area for yourself and make an informed decision! I salute you. Have a look for the film VAXXED promoted by Robert Deniro. Also here's a good clip from a medical doctor: www.brasschecktv.com/videos/health-and-medical-1/an-md-tells-the-truth-about-vaccines.html

No matter how much scaremongering you hear from the masses. If you do your research you will find far more studies promoting the fact that not vaccinating is more beneficial to your loved ones than to vaccinate. Recent research has found that unvaccinated children are much healthier than their vaccinated peers. Look up the role of the tonsils too.

[LittleBearPad]

That depends where you look for them Always and what search terms you put into Google. It not always safer not to vaccinate.

OP The WC vaccine has been used for a number of years here and hasn't caused problems. As a university researcher you know that a raincover is going to make naff all difference to the germs your DC is going to encounter. And getting to 8 weeks won't be the magic safe time. What about MMR - they don't get that until a year. You can't stay inside for a year.

You need to speak to your GP if your midwife is being useless and access the perinatal mental Heath team. Anti-natal depression/anxiety is horrible but it can be helped. I hope you're able to access help.

[TheHubblesWindscreenWipers]

alwaysawake you are promoting dangerous misconceptions. Unvaccinated children are not healthier.
Measles for example: it's dangerous. If a child catches measles not only do they have a chance of being seriously ill or dying, their immune system is wiped. So they are more likely to die of any other infectious disease in the months following. Child deaths from all infectious diseases rise after measles outbreaks.
The vaxxed film you refer to is one of those things that makes doctors and scientists despair. It's dangerous nonsense.
Robert deniro is an actor.:- not a doctor, not a scientist, not an epidemiologist.

You will not find serious peer reviewed studies that show not vaccinating is better because they don't exist. You'll find things like the work of Andrew Wakefield. Let me tell you about him: he experimented illegally on children for his own financial gain. After ww2, and the horrendous experiments done by the nazis, a code of ethics was drawn up for research. He broke most of it. He's not some plucky little battler working against evil big pharma. He's a crook who did unnecessary and painful experiments on children to try to boost his financial interests in single vaccines he needs to be jail.

[AlwaysawakeFsake]

TheHubbles. I am not promoting misconceptions just conceptions beyond what people see as 'the norm'. It doesn't matter whether a person is a professional in the field of science or medicine promoting or demoting vaccinations it is the fact that they are doing this! Why? If its so safe, why is there so much negativity surrounding it? There is more and more information popping up all the time on the risks of vaccinations and I feel that this information should not be ignored but considered when deciding if it is right for your baby. People should look at both sides of this story and come to their own conclusions and decisions. It is important for parents to take responsibility for their actions and decide what is best for their babies. In my research I have not come across Andrew Wakefield but I have come across many, many other professionals and also many documentaries of parents talking about their experience with vaccines. Anyway Butterfly92 feel free to PM me if you like. Robert Deniro may be a fine actor but he is also a concerned parent.

[Alisvolatpropiis]

Seriously Always. Have a word with yourself.

[GinIsIn]

Always - why is there so much negativity around this? Maybe because of idiots like you who are all mouth and no common sense, but enjoy shouting their misguided opinions!

There is not one bit of research supporting not vaccinating that hasn't been disproved. And even if some vaccines did Cause side effects - it's again a question of common sense. Might this vaccine give my child autism/narcolepsy/whatever other thing is the trendy anti-vaxer bollocks du hour? Possibly it might. A tiny, tiny possibility. Will it protect my child against something far more serious and commonly occurring that could kill them? Certainly. I know which side of the odds I would go with.

[GinIsIn]

PS you know what Robert De Niro isn't? A doctor. Or a scientist. Or someone who knows the first thing about diseases and vaccinations.

[TheHubblesWindscreenWipers]

If its so safe, why is there so much negativity surrounding it?

There isn't. Not among scientists, researchers, nurses, epidemiologists, virus specialist, doctors, bacterial disease specialists or anyone who understands the science.

The 'negativity' is web based. Promulgated among elope who don't understand science and who are struggling to understand the world they live in. Perhaps their child is sick and rather than accept the difficult truth that it may be just one of those things , or complex, they want a thing to blame. Blaming a single factor for say, autism, is much easier than accepting it's a complex ethology, likely caused by multiple genetic factors. Having one thing as your bogeyman cause gives you focus, something to campaign against, to relieve your pain.

If you're finding you're hearing a lot of negativity about vaccines, you're likely in parts of the web that aren't very scientific. FB groups/groups like that are echo chambers. They only attract people with one set of opinions. No dissenters or actual scientists

[TheHubblesWindscreenWipers]

It's like only going on pony club websites. If you did that you'd be thinking fucking hell, everyone is obsessed with horses... Why does no one talk about cats??

[AlwaysawakeFsake]

I am idiot for looking at both sides of the agenda? I am an idiot for thinking about this from a realistic viewpoint?

I also said conceptions. I was supposed to say concepts. I do know the difference...Haha.......

You see Hubbles there are people like you who resort to harrassment and take offense when the truth is staring you in the face. That you do not want to accept anything other than what you feel is the norm. That you trust blindly that you believe a cocktail of chemicals and viruses being injected unnaturally into an immature immune system is perfectly safe and completely effective. Because you have complete trust in the professionals you go to and the documents you choose to read. Are you offended that you haven't taken the responsibility to read and assess both sides of the agenda? There are risks in many decisions we make as parents. I for one wouldrather risk the danger of nature rather than shit put together in a lab and tested on monkeys.

[Alisvolatpropiis]

You'd rather risk dead child?

There really is no reasoning with such utter stupidity.

[AlwaysawakeFsake]

By the way. I'm not in pain. And I dont have a Facebook account.

[AlwaysawakeFsake]

Yes thats true there is no reasoning with utter stupidity.

[purplefizz26]

In the nicest way possible, it makes no sense whatsoever to refuse the vaccination during pregnancy but have the baby vaccinated once born

The vaccine during pregnancy will give the baby protection from birth.

[TitusAndromedon]

Butterfly, when someone has had a loss they are very likely to analyse everything they have done to determine what may have caused it. I had a molar pregnancy, which is incredibly rare, and spent ages trying to figure out what was wrong with my body to cause it. A friend lost her baby at 17 weeks gestation; she did the same as I did. The truth is, there is rarely a clear explanation for these sorts of things, but it results in lots of anxiety.

Most people don't fully understand the ingredients in vaccines or the way they work. I certainly don't. It means that, when we have them or give them to our children, we are placing our faith in a system that is surrounded by conspiracy theories and fear mongering. It is, however, without question, the best thing to do for your baby. I think you need to take a step back and really consider the rationality of your position at the moment. Are your fears founded in science, or are they based on anxiety over all of the uncertainties and unknowns that surround pregnancy and babies?

[AlwaysawakeFsake]

You see Butterfly92. There are many scaremongers out there trusting in science rather than nature. The body was designed in a way to fight dis ease this is called the immune system. Keep pumping medicine and all sorts of other chemicals in and tamper away at mother nature. Good luck with the dear Humbles. I am humbled to have met you.

[AlwaysawakeFsake]

Oh I apologise. Your username is Hubbles. But you are so humble in your approach to life.

[TheHubblesWindscreenWipers]

There are no both sides of the agenda. This is a logical fallacy. Not all opinions are equal. Some people think dinosaurs and humans coexisted. Do we need to bring them into every tv program about dinosaurs for 'balance'? Nope. We don't. Antivacxxersare not 'the other side of the debate' they are very much on the fringe. A real debate over vaccines might talk about, for example, the correct age to vaccineate against a disease - and there you can have a debate. Mmr is given first at 18 months here in Sweden when the reaction is stronger. In the uk measles mumps and rubella are more prevalent so they have made the call to start at 12 months. That's debate (and there's no one right answer, it depends on social factors as well as immunological evidence.)

Nowhere have I harassed you or called you an idiot. But I can't let your points lie because they are both demonstrably wrong and actively dangerous

I'm a scientist. I read research critically. For years I was a peer reviewer and if a study has weaknesses, confounding factors or wasn't up to scratch I'd say so. The body of evidence, over many years (lots of studies combined) shows us that vaccination is he safest most effective way we have of preventing various diseases. There's risk and benefit in everything. But when it comes to vaccination the science is very clear. Scientists don't believe things dogmatically. If new evidence comes along we change our minds - that's what science does.

The antivacx movement likes to think of themselves as skeptical but they're not. They are blindly accepting what they are told without critically reading the data, understanding the medicine/science/statistics behind it (which are pretty damn complex.) it's an odd mix of gullibility and paranoia. As I said before it's a very black and white way of looking at the world, wanting one bogeyman factor to fight against.

[AlwaysawakeFsake]

Exactly, you are placing your trust in a system. A system of science. You do not trust nature. You do not trust your own body or the body of a healthy new born to do its job correctly.

[AlwaysawakeFsake]

I am very sorry Hubbles. You didnt call me an idiot. I got your comments mixed up with Fanella. I sprely apologise for this