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Glitterknickaz · 16/01/2011 13:19

The government are proposing to get rid of DLA in favour of PIP. full consultation here

Riven started a fantastic thread in Chat with the very pertinent point that this applies to everyone, that every one of us could be just one step from disability themselves.

There is NOTHING in the media about this. These proposals could mean poverty for the disabled and their families in this country. It could leave some in residential care completely isolated from their families and support networks through the removal of the mobility component.

My family has already been hit three times through the NHS, education and aiming high, via the cuts, if they now remove the money from our pockets we are going to be in a heat or eat situation.

Please MNHQ do something, as many are oblivious to these proposals and what they will mean, including those who themselves already claim DLA.

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ThisIsANiceCage · 29/01/2011 17:25

OK, Maria Miller's letter centrepiece of Kent on Sunday letters page today (yes, I know, but time runs differently in Kent - we're still in the 1980s for a start). No replies shown on letters page. Will see if I can do anything in the week, but no promises.

I'm quite ludicrously overdrawn in energy after the demo, and starting to get quite ill. But everyone keeps coming up with marvellous ideas and irons to strike when hot! If I manage anything more, I'll report back, but don't worry if I go lay up for a bit. Poppy, please do send me what you were planning, that one's budgeted for!

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Hossylass · 29/01/2011 22:58

I wont reproduce what I wrote in the Kent online version, as a google search might link the two.

I vaguely remember that I signed as one Alice (my make-up is terrible) who fronted a rock band.

I got a bit strong actually, so I dont know if they will risk publishing it.

Cage - I too am knackered, the pain is going off the scale, but I need to get so many things finished :(

It ain't good. But solidarity may see us through.

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Hossylass · 29/01/2011 23:12

I have just found this on the BoB site, which may save some valuable spoons, and may get through to some MP's...

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Hi all,
please feel free to copy and paste this into an email,adding or subtracting bits of your choice,and send to your local mp.
Im sure that if loads of mps get loads of emails from disabled/ill people affected by the proposed changes,it just might go a small way to get them thinking about their disabled constituents futures under these rules and how they themselves might gain or lose support at the next election.<br /> <br /> <span class="line-through">-</span><span class="line-through">-</span><span class="line-through">-</span>-<br /> Dear <br /> Please read below a letter drafted by a disability group which I have copied and pasted into this email,it reflects the views of 1000s in your constituency and millions countrywide! Ive also added a few personal additions.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> BENEFIT REFORM<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> The program of welfare reform and cuts is proceeding with alarming momentum. The thought behind it is that the only way out of poverty is going to be through work. <br /> <br /> I am writing to ask you to step back from this one size fits all thinking and to remember that there are some people for whom work is unlikely to be a realistic option. Please remember the duty of care to them and imagine how they are feeling as this pressure to work is heaped upon them.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> They feel that for them the covenant on welfare seems to have been broken. They have been caught up as collateral damage in this push back to work and they feel very afraid.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> They had never expected that the Conservative, Labour and LibDem Parties would all abandon them like this!!!!!!!. <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> No party is demonstrating any understanding of their situation or offering them any reassurance or protection. They cannot believe that all three main parties continue to sign up to the delusion that they can be forced back to work by pressure and removal of benefits. <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Unrealistic and cavalier talk of ?helping? them into work is ill informed and adds to their fears that politicians do not understand the reality of caring, illness and disability. <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Employment Support Allowance is a disaster for the seriously ill and disabled because neither ESA group has been designed to meet their needs. <br /> <br /> Welfare reform means ?conditionality? and ?conditionality? is completely inappropriate for people with a diagnosis of a severe and enduring disability. ESA has two sizes to fit all and the seriously disabled do not fit safely in to either group. <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> The ?support? group admits only a few of the most severely ill and offers people no help or hope. The second group ? the work related activity group ? the WRAG ? is not a safe place either. The WRAG is predicated on ?conditionality?. It is now proposed to be time limited to one year (this decision will take effect from 2012). It has coercive elements of pressure and sanctions which are completely inappropriate for disabled people. <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> There is absolutely no reason why there can?t be a third option ? a group free of pressure and sanctions where disabled people can get help IF they want it without the pressure. Instead of Mr Grayling wringing his hands about how to allocate people with a severe diagnosis between the two inappropriate groups ? why doesn?t he introduce a third group that would actually meet their needs<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> And why, when everyone wants disabled people to get out and live fulfilling lives would anyone take away Disability Living Allowance ? the life line that makes this possible. DLA is an essential benefit that was specifically designed to provide financial support towards the extra costs incurred by people living with a disability. <br /> DLA payments have enabled hundreds of thousands of disabled people to maintain a degree of independence and quality of life that would have otherwise been lost to them. Because Middle and Higher rate DLA are both also passport benefits to enable family members to claim Carers Allowance, removing or reducing DLA will not only have an enormous financial impact on disabled people it will also impact on their carers ? a double blow which will especially hit hard those families on the poverty line.<br /> <br /> It is even more alarming that the Coalition plan a new regime of ?non medical tests ? as happened with Employment Support Allowance - a ?test? you are planned to fail. Cutting or reducing DLA will in many cases have a reverse effect on employment and remove the financial support that helps some disabled people get ready to go out to work.<br /> <br /> I am outraged at the Coalition?s intention to remove the Mobility Component of DLA from those people in residential homes, and will strongly oppose this proposal. <br /> <br /> Please also be aware how much the proposed cuts in housing benefit will bear down on carers and the long term sick and disabled.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Can I ask you if behind the enthusiasm for welfare reform there is any residual understanding of how this feels to people for whom work is probably not going to be the answer to poverty? People who now feel abandoned by all three main political parties and will never forget this. Please look past the fantasy and wishful thinking at the reality of what these cuts and reforms are actually doing to them.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Personally,my condition has got worse since the june budget speech by George Osborne,simply because of stress and worry about my future.<br /> <br /> Im not asking you to write to any ministers on my behalf,I`m asking you to think very carefully about many many people in your constiuency affected by these changes and place your vote according to your conscience.

Yours sincerely,



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Rhydian · 31/01/2011 10:44

a week to go on "stop DLA reform" petition - your help needed

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coppertop · 01/02/2011 11:19

I received a letter today from my MP (I included my home address in the e-mail). It's basically a side of A4 telling me how the change will be good for me because the new system will be less complex etc. Hmm

No surprises there then.

My MP also says they can't sign EDMs because they are a "Parliamentary Private Secretary" - so no help there either.

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JustineMumsnet · 01/02/2011 13:30

Thanks to everyone who has posted here. It's great to see such a level of interest. We're now working with Every Disabled Child Matters, to campaign for respite care for all families that need it. See how you can get involved here. We do hope we can build on the interest and calls for change generated by the recent press.

As the wider consultation on DLA closes, and the government confirm their plans, we'll keep watching so do keep us updated on your views.

Best,
MNHQ

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ThisIsANiceCage · 01/02/2011 13:34

Justine, poppyknot and I are working on something to send you re Women's Hour. It's with me at the moment, and I'm being a bit slack, but hope to have something to send you tomorrow.

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Glitterknickaz · 01/02/2011 15:20

Thing is..... is after the consultation a bit late? Great to see the support from MNHQ though thank you so much Smile

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Hossylass · 01/02/2011 18:28

After the consultation is too late in the main.

There is very little that can be done after that, as they wont want to lose face.

Mumsnet will be less busy when all the disabled and the carers are out working or on compulsory work plans.

I guess people still haven't seen that this is just one cut. The thing is is that if you are a victim of this cut then ALL the other safety nets are gone too.

So that is mortagage interest payments on benefits, legal aid to challenge decisions, penalties on JSA, JSA compulsory when the youngest child is 5, sanctions if yo dont find a job - that is money taken away every week, housing benefits cut, ESA stops after 12 months, work programs start after 3 months, again sanctions of benefits reduced if you dont attend, and you cant as you are looking after your child - well that wont count.

These are things that will affect all mums on a low wage who will really suffer.
Meanwhile those on comfortable incomes will complain that they cant get child benefit if they earn over a stupid amount that most only dream of.

Out of your boden clad towers ladies, these cuts will affect a lot of your posters.

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judyblueeyes3 · 01/02/2011 20:27

I thought you all may be interested to see this letter recently sent to DWP Minister Chris Grayling by the Papworth Trust.

The letter warns that implementing the changes recommended by Labour's 2009 internal review would make it more likely that many people with fluctuating conditions, learning difficulties and mental health conditions would be unfairly found ?fit for work?.

The coalition of charities, led by the Papworth Trust, says the changes would ?waste further resources?, increase the number of appeals, and ?diminish the positive impact of Harrington?s recommendations. Professor Harrington on Radio 4's You and Yours said that if this went ahead the timing would be 'far from perfect'.

www.papworth.org.uk/downloads/jan11lettertochrisgraylingmp_110124105526.pdf

Chris Grayling has said ?if we do something that does not prove to be the right thing, we will be happy to change it?.

But why implement something which is so obviuosly flawed and is condemned by so many experts? It will only lead to stress, trauma, worse health for those involved and more money in the end in appeals. I simply cannot understand the logic!!!

Meanwhile, the government is now going to start the programme to retest all those disabled people claiming incapacity benefit in late February, several weeks earlier than planned - the ?migration? programme of the estimated 1.6 million people had been due to start in April. Why the sudden rush? Are they trying to push people through before any more stronger objections?

This is really worrying now.

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poppyknot · 01/02/2011 22:42

Bump for the night owls.

Just been doing the DLA PIP consultation. God I hate that new name so much. It seems to typify the anaodyne scary way that the whole thing is being treated.

Let's give it a name that could apply to a child on a school trip! Then no one will know what it is for so when we reduce and cut it further no one will care apart from the few who are entitled to receive it.......... Good plan.

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Glitterknickaz · 02/02/2011 08:38

"Let's squeeze it till the PIPs squeak" is what comes to mind for me, Poppyknot

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ThisIsANiceCage · 02/02/2011 09:17

Ooh clever, Glitterknickaz. May nick that...

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poppyknot · 02/02/2011 09:51

Grin Glitterknickaz!

More pippery.
here

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poppyknot · 02/02/2011 10:45

Was feeling reasonaly calm till I read this from the Bradford Telegraph...

here

The not-so-sub message is that are a lot getting DLA that SHOULDN'T!

I do a daily trawl of google news on the DLA jus to see what's being said. I shouldn't as it only ends in tears.

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bigcar · 02/02/2011 11:03

Particularly Ignorant Process will be my contribution.

I got round to doing the consultation yesterday, the level of ignorance and arrogance that comes across is unbelievable! The bit about stopping payment if your child goes to a special school is just insane, surely these are the dcs with the highest care needs when they are at home?! Don't they realise that dcs with sns in units or mainstream get therapies and specialist support in school too? And that's just the start.

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bullet234 · 02/02/2011 11:09

It does anger me the way that companies like ATOS (actgually, is it only ATOS?) will set such ridiculously strict criteria that only a very small minority have a hope of "passing" and then declare that the majority don't fot the criteria.
But I was thinking, could MNHQ get someone on here for a webchat, to talk about these proposals and changes? Ask them questions like how they can accept a system that sees terminally ill people fit for work, or whether they believe a person with one epileptic fit a week will find it easy to gain employment. Or why they insist on calling DLA a barrier to work, when that benefit is not means tested and often allows people with disabilities the chance of working, via such things as the mobility scheme.

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Hossylass · 02/02/2011 18:31

Look up Unum Provident.
Then add federal judge.
Then add Maynard.
Woodstock.
Malingerers.

What you find makes Atos look like guardian angels of disabled people.

And Unum are driving the government. I can tell you more, but just let that bit sink in first.

You will be horrified.

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judyblueeyes3 · 02/02/2011 19:41

Yes, horrified. And have a look at this, hard going reading , but very revealing (and Scary!)

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www.lwbooks.co.uk/journals/articles/rutherford07.html]]

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Hossylass · 02/02/2011 21:29

aye, judy thats the one I hoped you'd find.

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poppyknot · 03/02/2011 09:44

I wish I hadn't seen this - DM so you can imagine but you do wonder if it is a straightforward bit of coalition propaganda.

Another misinformed article that proves the misinformation being allowed to pass as journalism though...

don't bother looking

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Rhydian · 03/02/2011 09:59

Announcing Project V - Tell Them How You Feel bit.ly/fiRBP6

Send you MP a Valentine to remind them about DLA reform and EDM 1332

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Hossylass · 03/02/2011 10:15

I have a suggestion for project VI.

A call for a vote of non-confidence in the DWP and the Minister for disabled people due to their involvement and being influenced by Unum and Atos, which in the case of Unum is working with a company that is discredited in the USA and New Zealand.

A project for the future perhaps.

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poppyknot · 03/02/2011 11:49

Holding the minister to account. Hope there is nowhere for Maria to hide.

The Lords do tend to scrutinise things more fully and ask more probing questions of the ministers.

^Short message from Baroness Campbell of Surbiton
February 3, 2011
Baroness (Jane) Campbell of Surbiton in response to an enquiry from DPAC (a supporter suggested sending letters to her for support against the cuts) writes:

letters to Maria Miller Minister for disabled people copied to me would be best because then she has to answer them and cannot deny they exist if I am copied in. I can then use them to hold the government to account and quote from the letters and ask how they have responded to such hardship that disabled people are obviously experiencing.

You can write to her at

Westminster
House of Lords, London, SW1A 0PW
Tel: 020 7219 5124
Fax: 020 7219 1303
[email protected]^

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poppyknot · 03/02/2011 11:49

Those carets always let me down. How difficult can italics be?

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