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Low-carb bootcamp

Week 4 - Low Carb Bootcamp - Keep on keeping on

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StuntNun · 26/05/2014 05:14

Helloooo! StuntNun here filling in for the lovely and dedicated BIWI who is off on her hols. So how are you all getting on? I'm sure lots of us are seeing the scales go in the right direction fingers tightly crossed for a pound off myself this week but please don't worry if the scales aren't budging, it's pretty common for there to be a weight loss 'pause' as your body adapts to a low carb diet. Please post your progress and say whether you're continuing on Bootcamp or Bootcamp Light. And if anyone has any questions please ask as it's great to get into the science behind low carbing so we have some ammunition against accusations of being on a fad diet.

As always, the rules are on the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness and you can track your weight on the cunningly named Weight Tracker.

By way of inspiration I've put together some info on how we got into this mess in the first place...

Why do we gain weight?

Before I started low carbing I wondered about squirrels. Yep, squirrels. I've never seen a fat squirrel, have you? But squirrels, as I'm sure you know, hoard up huge quantities of nuts and seeds and store them in little caches all over the place. So why don't they eat them all? I assume squirrels like nuts and seeds and yet they manage to resist the urge to stuff their admittedly cute little faces until their food is all gone. Humans on the other hand... humans are rubbish. We eat too much, we know we eat too much, we feel bad because we eat too much, and yet we keep doing it. So why are we so rubbish compared to squirrels? The paleo/primal nutters like me community will tell you that it's because we're eating a diet that is too different from the diet we evolved to eat and that the biggest problem of all is too much carbohydrate.

When you eat a carbohydrate-rich meal, your body releases the hormone insulin to signal the muscles and liver to store carbohydrate. On a conventional diet, however, our muscles and liver are constantly kept at full capacity. Since these glycogen stores are permanently full, any glucose that can't immediately be used by the body is stored as fat. Another action of insulin is to shut down the release of fat from our fat cells so our own fat stores become inaccessible. Then when we get hungry again we eat yet more carbohydrate and the process starts again, more and more glucose is stored as fat and the weight piles on. Worse still, the constant bombardment of our muscles and liver with insulin when their glycogen stores are already full causes them to become less sensitive to the effect of insulin, or insulin resistant. The pancreas responds by releasing more and more insulin and our blood sugar levels start to drop too low as the body frantically clears glucose into its fat stores. Eventually we find we are hungry all the time, starving only two hours after we last ate. And because our blood sugar levels are low, what do we crave? Yet more carbs. So we end up trapped in a viscous cycle of carb addiction, hunger and weight gain while our ever more ample fat stores are unusable.

Hopefully this has described the process by which the weight creeps on. In next week's thread I'll put together some info on how a low carb diet reverses this process, allowing us to use up our fat stores and achieve the weight we want to be at the same time as improving our health and our energy levels and reducing our risk of diseases such as diabetes and heart disease.

Good luck all for the coming week. Onwards and downwards!

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StuntNun · 28/05/2014 08:30

Lines your blood glucose and total cholesterol may increase slightly but it shouldn't be anything alarming.

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StuntNun · 28/05/2014 08:39

Actually just to clarify so I don't alarm anyone, blood glucose sometimes slightly increases in non-diabetics on a low carb diet. I assume it's because your body is manufacturing glucose from protein through gluconeogenesis rather than getting it from food, so there is a steady 'trickle' of glucose from your liver to feed the cells in your body that are glucose-dependent such as the retina. Since on a low carb diet your blood glucose won't spike after food then your overall blood glucose will be lower (and this will reflect in improved long-term markers of blood glucose i.e. HbA1c and fructosamine), it's the fasting blood glucose test that's affected. Mine went up from a normal 4.0 to a still normal 4.4 so my GP wasn't worried. It's a different matter if you have to have an oral glucose tolerance test while on a low carb diet, if anyone wants to know more.

As far as cholesterol goes, this WOE raises your HDL which is the good one that you want to be high, and lowers your triglycerides which you want to be low. It also raises your LDL which is the bad one BUT it shifts your LDL subtype from the dangerous small dense subtype to the large buoyant subtype which is either neutral or beneficial to your health. Again if anyone wants to know more please ask, I'm wary of blasting everyone with too much science talk as I know not everyone is quite so enthused about it as me all right it's boring!

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Locarblil · 28/05/2014 08:50

Little Miss - thank you. That line on processed carbs and sugar is useful. I'm very much a people pleaser, and cave easily, so I'm going to need to work on this one!

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JimmyCorkhill · 28/05/2014 08:55

I now don't buy into the I-have-to-eat-or-cause-offense thing, or "socially obligated sugar" because this actually says far more about other people than it does about me. By nature, I too am a feeder, so I can see the other side. But if I put my self esteem in people liking what I feed them and they reject my food and I feel rejected (which I used to) then I need to find a much solider basis for my self-esteem, tbh. And so do the other 'feeders' in my, and your, life. Tough love, maybe, but love is at the root of it.

So true. I really struggle with people like this. I have actually had to distance myself from a friend like this. One time she couldn't cope with me refusing (politely) a slice of cake at her house. You would have thought I'd punched her in the face. It was when I was on Slimming World and she kept going on to the other people there that I wasn't having cake because I was on Slimming World. The other people hadn't even noticed or cared. It was really embarrassing. In fact any eating at her house was fraught. I now realise she is a feeder.

I am noticing that I know a few people like this. They HAVE to feed you. And if you refuse it is very awkward.

My DH agrees with you LittleMissD, and says that it is their issue. And I know I am the only one who puts food in my mouth but I still find this difficult.

I am going for a cream tea on Saturday which I don't want to eat (I don't want to go at all but that's another story!) It's in a stuffy stately home and I will be expected to keep my 2 boisterous aka normal girls quiet for the duration. Plus spend £14 on titchy sandwiches and cakes that none of us want. It's time to be brave isn't it Grin

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glenthebattleostrich · 28/05/2014 09:12

It is actually quite liberating once you get yourself into the 'no thanks' mindset. Both mine and DH's families are all feeders. They think they have failed if you haven't eaten your body weight in junk food by the time you leave their house.

Last weekend was the first time we have refused food. We did tell them in advance that we wouldn't be eating wheat but they didn't listen. It was very liberating to decide that actually, no we are putting our health before your desire to feed us! No doubt this is an ongoing battle we will have but I'm sure they'll get used to it in time!

Another busy day today. Off to softplay for the morning then puddle jumping this afternoon (got to love my job :))

Breakfast - hallomi, bacon and tomatoes. 2 cups of tea with cream.
Lunch - chicken salad (or similar, eating at softplay)
Tea - lamb kofta's with yogurt dipping sauce and some chopped veggies.

1 litre of water down, 2.5 to go. Actually starting to enjoy it!!

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LittleMissDisorganized · 28/05/2014 09:46

Thanks StuntNun I never was very good at the details of the pure sciences. And really science is all about details :) I will stick to what I properly know rather than think I ought to know.
I love your sciency posts, please don't stop them.

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trashcanjunkie · 28/05/2014 09:53

Blimey it's quiet! Morning everybody, I hope we're all just lurking, with our heads down and getting the thing done? I am definitely on the mend - got actual housework done yesterday, and have a houseful of customers dogs today, so must brave the pissing rain in a bit and take out six dogs. I've got a staffie and chihuahua (mine and dps) a lurcher, a bedlington terrier mix, a bichon frise and a staffiexlurcher. Fortunately the dcs are off school, and I am babysitting their little pal for my friend/neighbour, so I'm going to employ a bit of child labour and make them help me Grin as I'm not at full strength and am prone to weak spells/gut ache periodically.

We've been eating out/ getting takeaway an awful lot, as I've not been able to cook, and dp works full time, and has done an awful lot, so I've been carbinating like mad all over the place. Yesterday we went to The Toby Carvery Blush It's a bit like Mos Eisley imo Grin but I had all four meats, cauliflower, and some red cabbage. The dcs and dp went nuts and had all the carby trimmings, so I was subjected to a volley of terrible farting all the way home in the car by the dreadful bastards.

At first if I had takeaways on this WOE I'd put on weight even if I chose the foods very carefully. What I realised is the portion control goes out of the window for me, so I'm extremely mindful whenever eating takeaway food, and I serve myself what I think is a tiny portion (consoling myself that I will be able to eat the leftovers for breakfast/lunch) then I make sure I eat very slowly, chewing each mouthful, and putting my fork down between mouthfuls and all that malarky. It really works - I'm full enough by the end of the dish, and I feel so good afterwards - nourished but not bloated, and with no guilty feelings.

I'm going to brave some scrambled eggs later. My stomach has been turning at the thought of them, but I think I've got a bit of lactose sensitivity at the moment, because yoghurt is leaving me crippled.

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trashcanjunkie · 28/05/2014 09:55

oh - epic fail! It's not quiet, my page just didn't refresh.... off to catch up!

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trashcanjunkie · 28/05/2014 10:21

Aah that's more like it. stunt keep the science coming woman.

LMD I've got nothing yet! still waiting for results.... Excellent post though, my lovely Grin

locarblil my go to response when I don't want to talk about my WOE but I have to say something, is to say that I've developed IBS type symptoms, and I'm better when I don't eat xyz. If I do eat xyz, I'm getting bloating/cramps/farting/the runs/constipation/gut rot (whatever you feel it's acceptable to say.

That way, you're set for life, and it's unchallengable. If people make helpful suggestions about how to tackle it, I nod, smile and make soothing ah sounds before changing the subject.

stringy I am waiting to hear from the docs re meds... Hmm curse the bank holiday!

lowcarbforthewin that's an incredible achievement! Well bloody done!

On the subject of blood sugars... here's an interesting lil' factiod. When the lovely ambulance men came to drag me from my pit of doom up to the hospital, I had eaten nothing at all for four days. I'd drunk very little in the 24 hours preceding, and when they tested my blood sugar levels, they were 6.4..... perfectly normal. I was too ill to speak but I remember thinking to myself 'I bet that's cos I'm in ketosis and living off me hump'

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StuntNun · 28/05/2014 10:37

Trash I find takeaways are too easy to overeat. I promise myself I'll just have a taste but then end up eating too much and the hidden flour and sugar probably mount up too. I'm usually okay the next day but it's the day after that the carb cravings attack in force. I got some lactase drops for my DS3 after he had a tummy bug vommed for five days earlier on in the year. I don't know how much they helped, it might be easier just to limit your dairy for a few weeks while your gut recovers.

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Locarblil · 28/05/2014 11:08

Just had the most delicious lunch (I work weird hours so have an early lunch) of courgette fritters. Added a tiny bit of chili powder to the recipe.

Now thinking that these would be amazing with the spinach balls from this I love pasta giardiniera at Carluccio's but let's be honest the pasta is just a vehicle for the flavours. Yum!

Loving the science talk. Am so non - scientific but it gives me confidence that this is a healthy WOE.

Trashcan - I love the idea of unmentionable gastric problems. That would certainly put the in laws off asking further. They're quite proper & I sometimes feel v uncouth as it is. Genius.

Glen - I have said 'no thanks' a couple of times to foods (not enough) and weirdly enough the world didn't end, or the sky fall on my head, as I stupidly appear to believe will happen Confused. Will keep trying for the liberated feeling!

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pingufan · 28/05/2014 11:59

Yay another 1lb off this morning so things are finally shifting after my 2 week STS.

Have a girly weekend away coming up on Friday and there's lots of talk of wine and nibbles. I've a feeling its going to be hard to stick to this WOE this weekend.

We are B&B so will try & fill up on eggs & bacon & butter in the morning but I have no idea where we will end up eating and I'm sure there will be snacks in between.

Oh well - I'll be back on the straight & narrow Monday

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KinkyDorito · 28/05/2014 13:50

Starting today and marking place. I lost about 25lbs last year on this WOE, but fell off the low-carb wagon and regained. I know this WOE really suits me, so a fresh start begins today. I would like to lose 35lbs to start with (I would still be overweight at this weight, but am tall) and then see how I feel.

I'm also pescatarian, so that adds a fun element to my low carbing.

Bring it on.

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Hissy · 28/05/2014 14:27

I'm back! DS is on the mend, only the legs still bandaged for now, on the mend and more himself. backchat included...

starting again today, and thankfully all hospital toast aside I AM the same weight I was last Monday.

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olivesnutsandcheese · 28/05/2014 14:59

Well done for STS Hissy - that's fab :)

Half a pound off here which is a bloody miracle considering that I fell head first into severe carby twatdom over the weekend. I won't go into details as that isn't helpful to anyone. My gut is crying in agony though so I feel properly chastened for veering off this WOE.

Back on track today though & am necking water. Other than a night out tonight with the girls there shouldn't be much coming up that will lead me astray.

Managed to catch up with the thread - some great losses especially for those with a slow start - great news!

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magso · 28/05/2014 15:01

Oh thank goodness you are home, and ds is more himself Hissy! Ds was kept under review (by plastics) for a few years but once the last bit had healed up really his skin just sorted itself out! I bet you are exhausted - or will be once the relief of getting home wears off! We had trouble getting ds to wear sunhats and suncream to protect his delicate new skin, but apart from that once home it was fairly smooth going. Hope recovery now proceeds smoothly.

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spamm · 28/05/2014 15:03

Hello all!

Hissy - great news - so glad he is doing well, and great work on keeping stable. That is impressive under the circumstances!

LittleMiss - thanks for understanding. I am the breadwinner too, and while I certainly don't mind it, it comes with stresses that I never imagined and you are right, they remain hidden to others.

I appreciate the support here - we all have different reasons for our emotional reactions to food. I find that I put my wellbeing last, and I am trying to change that and take some of my feelings of guilt out of my relationship to food. But it is not easy.

I feel fat today - not sure exactly why, but probably partly because I did not get through my water last night, and probably went over calories on my dinner, without having had breakfast. My little 8 week old niece was taken into hospital with a kidney infection and possible meningitis, so last night was a flurry of phone calls and text messages and I was not thinking about staying on track. She is stabilized right now, but the cause is still unclear, so it is a worrying time and I feel helpless. But I forced down some breakfast today and have a plan in place for the day - so should be ok.

Keep it up everybody, and welcome Kinky - Bring it on!

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Hissy · 28/05/2014 15:50

magso I ache all over! My skin is so sensitive it's unbelievable!

We have dressings to be changed, so they'll be monitoring for a while yet. Have Psychology session booked for next week, just so he knows he has that facility really, although he did get a bit tearful about being in the bathroom (where we administered first aid until ambulance etc got there), so it's as well that he talks about his feelings sooner rather than later I think.

He's 8, so i'm thinking (hoping) that he'll be more compliant than a little one, and less rebellious than a teen... it's a theory anyway! :)

There's no chance of me getting him in a sunhat though, fortunately his burns aren't on his head, so I don't have that battle!

What's STS btw?

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WeShouldOpenABar · 28/05/2014 15:57

www.weaferandcooper.com/menus/

some menu help please, i am going tonight and can't see the obvious options

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spamm · 28/05/2014 16:18

WeShould - I can see your dilemma, you will need to ask for changes, whichever one you go for - at least on the dinner menu.

How about the Hake Filet and go easy on the butternut squash. Or the Ribeye, but replace the chip with green beans or salad? I also like having a bunless burger, with cheese, and add wilted spinach? Or the chicken, but with salad and spinach?

I live in the US, and they will make practically any change you wish to a dish, so I find it easier to go through menus like this. But if you ask politely, it should not be a problem

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lowcarbforthewin · 28/05/2014 16:22

Hissy you've done so well, glad your ds is improving. And spamm glad your niece doesn't have meningitis.

Good day here, eggs for breakfast, leftover pulled pork and crackling for lunch (omgodddddd), have fish and veg for supper. Feeling very sorry for myself I can't fall into a big chocolate something for tea but I am just saying over and over to myself, losing weight will feel better. It's just such a daily battle, not giving in!

Think I should get rid of all workmen tomorrow, will look forward to being less tired after that and finding this easier again. Is it wrong I want to go and buy another pork belly though, and just live off that for the next week?

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WeShouldOpenABar · 28/05/2014 16:35

thanks spamm , thats what i thought too , ill have to see how many people are listening when i order, i dont want to make a fuss. i can just not eat any spuds i might end up with.

I dont mind a change but i'd have to ask for one for starter and main cos i dont like any of the ingrediants in the salad for starter and its only option really.

i think i'd be too embarrassed to ask twice

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trashcanjunkie · 28/05/2014 17:07

I have got my results back - it is campylobacter! I'm almost grateful at this stage. I've got antibiotics to collect and take. Hoo-fuckin-raaaaah Grin

Yeay hissy that's brilliant news, and congratulations on sts through such bastard trauma.

pingu - (I have somehow nicknamed you 'pinge' in my head Confused I'm so chuffed for you - it's like starting to turn a heavy wheel, and then suddenly, you're off, and it's the best feeling Grin

weshould I'm always asking for menu changes, and I do it really quietly and discreetly, and I have never had a problem - if people raise an eyebrow I use the old guts problem - 'it just suddenly started happening...' Bunless burger, with greens instead of chips, or swap bits from one dish to another. If the wrst comes to the worst, and they absolutely can't, I'll order a set meal, and then add some sides I know I can eat, like a green salad, and when the food arrives, quick as a flash, I'll dump the salad on my plate, and stick undesirables on the salad plate, and quickly cover it with a napkin (or give it to the group dustbins)

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ImSoOverIt · 28/05/2014 17:19

Trash can - great you have a result, campylobacter is the most common big to cause food poisoning, did you eat any dodgy chicken as it is often found in that? Hopefully the abx will kick in soon and you will start to feel better very quickly.

Funny day for me today as I finished work early but had errands to run so I ended up just having my "lunch" just now, so will probably try to skip dinner.

B - blueberries, coconut cream, extra thick double cream, yogurt and cinnamon. Yum!

L/D - omelette with cheese and mushrooms, large mixed salad.

Still heavier than I want to be, going to get rid of the dairy I have in and go on to ubercamp at some point. Want a boost.

Anyone ever tried a fat fast?

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spamm · 28/05/2014 17:59

Weshould - just say you are experimenting with giving up different things to see how it affects your digestion. If you do not make a big deal, but just do it matter of fact, its likely that most will not notice. Or pretend you have just decided to become high-maintenance and you want things your way! Grin

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