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Would you move to the US

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SlouM · 07/02/2019 22:28

DH has been offered a promotion with his current employer - but in the US.

We have a choice to live in Dallas or the Silicon Valley area near San Jose. He's a high earner and the relocation will all be taken care of so my doubts aren't money related

DCs are yr 6 and yr 4 and we have almost ageing parents, especially my Mum who lives alone and doesn't have other family in the U.K.

I don't know what to think! Most of my instincts are to say no (especially regarding moving kids as they get close to senior school age) and because of my Mum. On the other hand it would be exciting and it's a great opportunity for DH.

I'm not sure what advice I'm looking for - just opinions really!

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wireswireswires · 08/02/2019 23:47

The people I live with now are the most friendly, genuine, down to earth and kind people I've met anywhere in the world.

When I came here to work (years before I moved here or even thought of it) I sobbed when I left.

The community spirit here is astounding.

My next door neighbour (who if only met twice briefly) paid for me, dh and ds to rush back to the UK when my Dad fell seriously ill.

When I had ds I had almost a month worth of two meals being delivered to the house a day, mostly by people I'd never met. They call them meal trains here and it's very common.

I'm regularly overwhelmed by people's selfless generosity here.

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IJumpedAboardAPirateShip · 09/02/2019 04:07

It is so weird that politically it feels so “I’m alright jack” but at the real grassroots level people are overwhelming generous in giving time and money to worthy causes and people in need

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WH1SPERS · 09/02/2019 09:58

The people I live with now are the most friendly, genuine, down to earth and kind people I've met anywhere in the world

I spent a year in Northern California and Arizona as an exchange student many years ago and this was also my experience . People were warm and hospitable and loved my accent !!

In your situation I’d be tempted to go for a set period, like two years. Your children will be ok to move back to Uk schooling from junior high and your mother will hopefully still be in good health and well enough to travel out there to see you.

I’d also check out the legal situational. MN is full of women who thought their husband / marriage was the best in the world until he ran off with OW. And they were forced to remain overseas with no work permit and no money. If the kids are settled in school, they might decide to stay with ( fun rich ) dad and his ( fun rich ) OW, rather than go back to the boring old UK with boring stressed angry poor mum who makes them Do their teeth and homework.

Sorry to be such a killjoy but you need to hope for the best and plan for the worst. Otherwise why would you have health insurance if you are healthy and ‘just know’ that you will never get ill?

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lljkk · 09/02/2019 11:59

Americans take personal responsibility very seriously.
They also assume govt is useless.
There's a good essay online somewhere about a city where the sidewalks are pristine, cleared of snow (duty of each householder) but the roads are full of potholes; and what this reveals about Americans relationship with the state. Neighbours help each other out a lot but won't fund the govt to get anything done.

There's a lot in Half Broke Horses about Arizonan distrust of govt; it's implicit many places in the story.

My aunt & uncle looked after their neighbour's 3 young children for days on end on/off when the mother went into hospital many times (pregnancy complications). They saw it as neighbourly... & maybe the closest they'll get to grandchildren. But mostly good neighbourly.

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ComeMonday · 09/02/2019 13:27

If you move to San Jose your political views will be similar to the vast majority of people you meet in San Jose. Dallas maybe less so.

I think people in the UK sometimes don’t understand just how big and how diverse the US is. It’s more comparable to all of Europe than the UK. There is of course a big difference between living in London vs [insert small Scottish village name here]. But it’s very small compared to the difference between living in, say, Paris and a small town in Kosovo. Or New Orleans v Minneapolis. Or Honolulu v Anchorage. Or San Jose v Texas. They are completely different experiences. Some Brits have written off America based on one trip to Florida. been to Florida, not realizing that Florida has its own particular vibe/culture that is different than many parts of the US. People who say “Ive been to America and I didn’t like it,” if you didn’t get a good vibe from Benidorm or Athens or rural Romania would you write off all of Europe? Your loss I guess, but it’s a very small way to think.

There is gun violence in America, that is a fact and it’s it’s horrifying. But you need to keep it in perspective. Statistically speaking the risk of you being shot anywhere in America is infinitesimal. And the gun laws vary SO much from state to state so it will be different depending on where you are. I grew up in a big city in the northeast and I don’t think I’ve ever seen an actual working gun (other than police etc) in my life. Yet I live in the UK now and my family constantly worries about terrorist attacks. The extent to which you perceive risk can be completely different to the actual risk. Being killed in a car accident is FAR more likely than getting shot in Dallas or run over while standing on a bridge in London. Yet most of us get in cars every day without thinking twice.

Maybe I’m defensive bc I’m proud of my homeland but I’m not blind. The federal government is an utter shitshow, healthcare costs a fortune, and there’s little social safety net. I have lived in cities where racial tension is a real issue. These things are a worry. But there are worries here too. And in both the UK and the USA none of those worries in any way prevent me from having a great life with a nice house, great job, fantastic friends, wonderful educational opportunities for my children, and living in a beautiful city with easy access to world class skiing outdoor recreation.

Northern California is a fantastic place to live if you are a very high earner. Big cities with plenty of culture with easy access absolutely breathtaking natural beauty and outdoor recreation opportunities. I think California public (state) schools aren’t great overall but there are pockets of northern Cal where the schools are amazing, and you don’t have to worry about “getting in.” You move into the catchment for the school you want and they will enroll your child. You pay the price in property values but it sounds like that’s not an issue for the OP.

OP if you haven’t watched Big Little Lies you should. Obviously it’s a total caricature and it’s set in Monterey not San Jose, but it actually does in many ways capture and massively exaggerate the sort of lifestyle you may find in Silicon Valley. There’s a great deal of champagne liberalism and virtue signaling but it really is an amazing place to live if you are a super high earned (high six figures and up) or have other financial resources. People are generally friendly, and there’s enough diversity and turnover that it won’t take you long to fit in.

And just a piece of general expat advice — I STRONGLY recommend visiting for at least a week before you commit to any location. Your relo company will arrange school visits and property viewings and have someone to take you around. It’s helpful. And of course read everything you can online and talk to anyone you know who has lived there. City-data.com is a great resource with a lively chat forum— you will get unvarnished views about the pros and cons of Dallas v SJ or which neighborhoods in either city have good schools and whatever else you are looking for. I bet you could find a friendly corner of reddit that can help as well.

You should also find out exactly what your husband’s package will entail. Right now we are lucky in that my husband’s company pays our UK rent while we have tenants who cover the mortgage on our house in America. It’s a big windfall. The company also pays for private schools, regular flights home, visa costs, and the like. When we first moved they allowed us an air shipment so that we could get the essentials quickly and a sea shipment for anything else we wanted to bring — furniture, art, kids’ toys, bicycles, non-perishable foods, and more. They also covered moving and storage for anything we left behind. They even disassembled the swing set (climbing frame?) in our backyard and pressure washed it so it won’t rot in storage. They reimbursed us for preschool fees we had prepaid and the loss we took in selling a car we had recently bought, and gave us a one-time allowance to cover things we had to buy new, like lamps, TVs, and small appliances, or set up, like TV and WiFi. These are things that used to be standard in expat packages but these days are not guaranteed. Make sure the amount they are offering for housing is really enough to give you a comparable “level” home to what you have in the UK. Not necessarily the same size of course, as housing differs from one place to another. For the cost of a bog standard 3 BR in greater London or average bungalow in Silicon Valley you can get a palatial estate in Dallas.

Best of luck! Feel free to PM me if I can help any further. Personally I say move to San Jose!!!

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Stupomax · 09/02/2019 15:16

Americans take personal responsibility very seriously.
They also assume govt is useless

Yes this is one of the (many) things British people just don't seem to understand about Americans. They don't generally wait for the government to step in, partly because they know what a shit job the government would do, and partly because they've grown up looking after themselves and each other.

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BertieBotts · 09/02/2019 16:53

No I haven't lived in the US. I have lots of friends from the US here in Germany though. Many of them studied here and married Germans. I appreciate I probably have some misconceptions.

Is it not true about protectiveness? I have heard that American children never go to play at parks, for example, alone, and walking to school is unheard of. Of course that is mainly because the distance is often far. But for example children wouldn't be allowed to go off on their bikes for the afternoon.

I do agree a lot of people in the UK would be against this too but IME you can do it there whether people disapprove or not - whereas I've seen reports (perhaps rare?) about CPS involvement over things like children playing at a playground alone. For example this: eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/04/13/parents-investigated-letting-children-walk-alone/25700823/

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wireswireswires · 09/02/2019 18:41

@BertieBotts that is absolutely NOT the case here. Kids are given so much more freedom here than anywhere I've lived in the UK. We have friends with 5 year olds that are allowed out to play on their own.

Kids are walking to school alone around age 8.

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Kazzyhoward · 09/02/2019 18:46

We'd jump at the chance. We love America and plan to buy a holiday home there to live in part of the year. One of our friends moved over there 20 years ago (she married an American) and really enjoys the lifestyle, friendships, freedom, etc. not to mention how much further your money goes re property and living costs.

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Stupomax · 09/02/2019 19:21

BertieBotts I think a lot of your perceptions are fairly accurate. The over protectiveness thing seems to vary by area. Where I live children walk and bike everywhere from quite young but I'm in small town America in a very safe town. I doubt it's as relaxed as in Germany though.

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BertieBotts · 09/02/2019 20:04

OK :) Happy to be corrected in that case.

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IJumpedAboardAPirateShip · 09/02/2019 20:52

I’d say it’s pretty equal the “protectiveness” of children between my friends regardless of whether they’re british or American or live in the U.K. or the US

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Ihuntmonsters · 09/02/2019 21:31

We moved to NYC ten years ago with a work transfer. For us it was not a good experience as dh's work hit hard times and when he was made redundant he also lost his work permit and so we all were effectively kicked out of the country. We were lucky and got to start again in Canada and we don't plan on going anywhere else now.

dh's current job has a San Jose office so it's a possibility for us but not one I'd pursue. I've visited and found it a bit souless and very car orientated, but the West Coast in general is very beautiful and some of the companies based there are pretty crazy when it comes to benefits. I spent a week at Google and the competition for talent led them to have free (and fantastic) restaurants, visiting hairdressers, sports clubs, bikes you can borrow etc, but also very high expectations about how much commitment employees should have in return.

I'd say look at your contracts very very carefully and then go out with a realtor and see where you can actually afford to live - colleagues there with very high wages had very long commutes because housing is crazy expensive.

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arkela · 10/02/2019 01:29

Yes this is one of the (many) things British people just don't seem to understand about Americans. They don't generally wait for the government to step in, partly because they know what a shit job the government would do, and partly because they've grown up looking after themselves and each other.

Well, yes and no. I've lived in the Midwest (polar vortex country!) for about 15 years now, and had all of my children here. I'm not sure it's a sense of "the government is terrible" but very much a sense of "we're a community and we look after each other." What you have to remember is that people are impacted so much more by their local and state governments than the federal one - so which state you live in matters greatly.

I've never felt so "cared for" if that's the right word, since moving here. Wine and dinners when we moved in, gifts and meal trains when we had our children - most importantly, knowing that we can rely on our neighbors st the drop of a hat.

As an example - a neighbor I really didn't know well called me at 3:00am (lives up the street, kids had played together a few times). Her daughter was sick enough for her to go to the hospital; could she drop her son off with me overnight so she could get there? I said yes without hesitation - all was well and daughter was eventually fine. When I mentioned this in passing to my (British) parents and friends in England they were quite taken aback by the request, but over here it barely raised an eyebrow. Your neighbor needed help do you responded? That's what neighbors do.

I just wanted to present some counter-evidence to the "Americans just take care of themselves" narrative because in my experience it's quite the opposite.

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Jaspermcsween · 10/02/2019 02:34

Guns
Healthcare


No way

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