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Guest post: "Home education is a contentious issue. I know there will be parents who may be upset by my Dispatches documentary"

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NiamhMumsnet · 05/02/2019 09:39

Last night on Channel 4, my Dispatches documentary explored the fast-growing world of home education. It’s a contentious issue, and I know there will be parents who may be upset by it. They feel protective of their right to home school - parents, like Marcello, who appeared in my film and who educates his son at home, who make a philosophical decision to home educate and who put a lot of thought and dedication into providing their children with a high-quality education. These are the traditional home educators and I am not suggesting that they shouldn’t have a right to do so.

But this is not the experience of a large majority of the group of children without a school. I am worried about families who have ended up home educating for other reasons, and whose children are not receiving the good education in school that all children deserve. Many of these families embark on home education as a last resort or stop-gap until things settle and another school is found.

Take 12-year-old Lily, who I met while making the documentary. Lily is autistic and has been to 11 schools in eight years. Her mother, Mandy, says she was told Lily was ‘uneducatable’. As a result, Lily is now being taught at home. Lily is an amazing child - smart, ambitious and clearly capable of doing very well academically - yet she’s been told that no school can teach her.

I also met Sam, who removed her 12-year-old son Baillie after trouble at school. Their relationship with the school broke down and they were made to feel like Baillie was a ‘burden’ and ‘annoying’. Sam is clearly a loving parent, but she admitted to me that she had huge doubts about her ability to be able to educate Baillie in a way that a school could. She was receiving no support at all.

Part of the reason there is so little help is that we don’t even know how many children are home educated, why they have been taken out of school or even if they are safe. Our Dispatches film found that 92% of councils in England do not feel they have adequate powers to assure the suitability of education children who are home-schooled receive, and 93% of councils say they don’t feel confident that they are aware of everyone who is currently being home educated in their area.

Thousands could also be ending up without a school because of ‘off-rolling’. Often these children have special educational needs. In fact, our research for Dispatches suggests one in five children who are home-educated have SEN.

Sadly too, there are some families who are very aware of the lax rules around home education, which are used as a cover to stay out of sight from the authorities – something we know can have tragic consequences for children.

I think there is now an overwhelming case for all parents who are home educating their children to have to register their children with their local authority. They should also be asked why they are home educating and whether they intend for the child to re-enter mainstream education at some point.

On off-rolling, I hope Ofsted will come down hard on schools who are letting down some of the most vulnerable children. There should be financial penalties too for schools who are gaming the system. And school policies also need to acknowledge that poor behavior may be linked to additional needs, such as SEND, and make sure that all children with additional needs receive appropriate support.

Parents who are home educating have told me that they need more support, so within three days of a decision being taken for a child to be withdrawn from school to be home educated, a local authority should visit the child and family to provide advice and support on alternative options, including other schools the child could attend. There should be another visit a few weeks later to see how the family is managing.

I would also like council education officers visiting each child being home educated at least once per term to assess the suitability of their education and their welfare.

Some children have very positive experiences of home education. Others have told us they feel lonely and depressed, left alone for long periods in unstructured days. They miss their friends at school and can become isolated. These are the ‘off the grid’ children I am worried about. They have the right to a good education and childhood, and the system needs to change to make sure they do.

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baggytshirt · 07/02/2019 21:19

70% of prison inmates are dyslexic. They’ve already written people off with dyslexia.

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zzzzz · 07/02/2019 21:33

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QuickSloeGo · 08/02/2019 07:54

In our area the council now offers free funding for 14-18 year olds to study and take functional English and Maths. I hope more and more colleges and councils open up these alternative routes to qualifications. Some high schools are allowing private GCSE candidates and the authority neighbouring uses the PRU as an exam centre. These are effective ways of addressing the needs or situations some children have. Colleges expanding their 14+ offers would be great.

Anecdotally lots of the home Ed teens here have early GCSE passes. Others with other difficulties have followed vocational routes such as animal care, studying as chefs or arts routes. There hugely outweigh the failing families, and those families have the kind of difficulties that have multiple jobless generations and social problems that fail in schools too

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Aucklander · 08/02/2019 08:10

The Children’s Commissioner's case boils down to an argument that parents cannot be trusted to keep their children safe unless there is regular oversight by a public authority.

This position is not supportable under the UK Human Rights Act as we have a right to a private and family life. Absence of evidence that a child is safe is not evidence that is not safe. We are innocent until proven guilty in Britain.

The law is not allowed to construct lists of discreet groups based on imaginary threats.

If they start cataloguing home educators who would be next? Travelers? Religious groups? Children of parents with a history of depression?

Anne Longfield's proposal will not see the light of day as the Department for Education knows full well that a judicial review would be sought and that it would lose. The established law on home education is well balanced and has stood the test of time. That is all the evidence required to determined the future of home education.

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Seahorse81 · 08/02/2019 09:01

We have been home educating not home schooling for 3.5 years. My 3 children struggled in the school system but no school staff (teachers, assistants, reception staff, lunch staff, school nurse) saw their struggles. I asked for help over many years with all three of my children, in particular my elder 2. The response was always the same, it was my parenting and there were no issues with my children whilst they were at school.

Finally when my eldest attended high school the cracks began to show after a knee injury which completley turned my daughter's world upside down. She began having obvious problems in school the spring term of year 7. By the end of year 8 she was broken. That is my word to describe what had happened to my daughter. She was unable to get up every day, was not eating, washing, going anywhere. Lived in the dark. Had no interests in anything. She had a second assessment for ASD and was diagnosed a few months before her 13th birthday. The first assessment was at age 7 but due to the schools failure to SEE my daughter's needs CAMHS were unable to diagnose my daugter at that time.
So once diagnosed still no real help, she was allowed to attend school for a couple of hours a day but there was no one to meet her or provide her with any work so she sat in the library listening to her music.
This was not working for any of us so I removed her from the school system.
The headteacher was quick to tell me it was a bad decision and I would be ruining my daughter life. She wouldn't be able to get any GCSEs. Well she did achieve her maths and got a 6 but it was too much to complete the english and science but she DID attempt to take them.

Now it took 2 YEARS for my daughter to recover enough to consider attempting her GCSEs and the idea of someone coming into her HOME her SAFE PLACE 3 days after being deregistered is unthinkable. She was always scared they would make her go back to school where she was bullied, had a knife put to her throat, were pupils set fire to aerosols, where people break the rules, rules that made her feel safe.
And the idea of termly visits to assess education. Well if you want written work you will not get any. I found school killed any love of learning and anything that looked like school was refused for 2.5-3 years. It took a good 2 years before the children felt safe at home, as in safe that they were not going to be forced back into school.
My middle child lasted 8 weeks in year 7 & after seeing the damage the system had done to my elder two I pulled my youngest out in year 3 to protect him. I know he is ASD too but the school couldn't see it so there was no point leaving him in the system which destroys children who need extra support. My children were failed many times over the years across 6 schools.

With regrards to a register for home education. Each child who is removed from school is known to the LA. Each LA should have a register of childen removed from school. Those that are EHE from birth will not be on the register but Anne does state that those families do provide a good education so why a need for a register.

Childen are not hidden, they are seen by GPs, Drs, Dentists, people see them when they are out and about. All the children who have been neglected have been known to a service either the LA or SS or both.

With regards to the home educated children post 16, many head off to university, college and into appenticeships, the world of work, some even have their own business. My daughter is currently doing an apprenticeship at 16 & is being offered a huge amount of support for the first time in her life. My 15 year old has been learning woodwork and metal work 1 day a week for past 2 years, it will be 3 years before he leaves school, (paid for by his parents) the plan is to find a joiners apprenticeship. So I think you need to research post 16s before you start telling the world they know nothing.
Home educating is a hard road and we as families take a lot of stick from people who don't bother to research our communities properly. Maybe thay is why we are protective and try to stay out of the media, it is always negitive stuff.

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PooFlower · 08/02/2019 09:31

This is the full story of Louise the mum of the three boys. The programme seemed to just highlight the worst bits like the boys not being up early in the morning. It failed to mention the PTSD caused by school.
Or the fact that the Fii allegations were investigatied and she was exonerated and told she should never have been investigated in the first place.

www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/local-news/devastated-mum-explains-educating-3-2506541

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Robyn26117 · 08/02/2019 09:37

So you want termly test and visit on home educated kids?? So that means like wise you will want termly Visits in schools??? So how will you judge the test for home educated kids? Will it be the same standards as schooled kids?? On the same curriculum? Well In America most states fund these expected standards for home schooled families! Well you will need a change in law for that! Also abit rich as 7.1 million people in this country are not up to a proper reading & writing standards! & they went to school!
4.1 million people unemployed last year and I don’t think their all home educated do you?
380 schools across the uk failed to meet the governments minimum standard. Yet these according to you are better than home education.
In 2014 one in five 11 year olds couldn’t read well enough to follow the curriculum. So the schools you proclaim to be a better choice cannot deliver. Is this the standards for your termly testing for home educated kids!
22% of over 10s committed Suicide due to bullying and yet schools are safer for children?
It’s estimated by LGA using DFE data that by 2023/24 secondary schools will have a short fall of 134,000 places. So where will all the kids go when you destroy the very philosophy of home education!
Dylan seabridge- concerns were raised by the EHE department who reported their concerns to social services and the police were informed all of which did nothing! Social services failed to follow up the report and the police failed to respond!! So they all did nothing! Approximately 5 children in 10 years have died who were home educated (tragic)but all of them had some form of social services involved or suspected abuse. Some had previously been removed from school whilst being investigated for neglect or abuse! They were failed by your government agency’s & services! You failed to protect those children & all the children who attend/attended school and were abused by families and the schools themselves so instead of dealing with the bigger problem you blame home education! Scapegoat coming to mind! Bandwagon comes next!!!

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TomHardysBackpack · 08/02/2019 09:50

Actually think it's disgusting the way Dispatches portrayed Louise as a mother. All the zooming in on the clock and the comments on how it was lunchtime before they were all downstairs. Poor woman. Hope she gets some help from NHS and LA to try to help with the sleep issue.

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Aucklander · 08/02/2019 10:36

I live in a remote part of the UK and the LEA are a few minutes away in the local town. We know some of the civil servants by sight.

I wouldn't have some of them on my property let alone in the house to interview my children. So, any demand from the LEA to see the children will be refused. What then? I have a right to a private life and you have no evidence of a problem. How is the court going to view that?

All the LEA has to offer is legal threats and a return to a school that caused the problem in the first place.

My children have thrived from being out of school. The first GCSE was sat 2 years early with an A*. That would have been unachievable in the local state school.

The whole compulsory registration / inspection proposal is a dead duck. Unenforceable, illegal and utterly intrusive.

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Aucklander · 08/02/2019 13:46

Longfield's witch hunt has gone too far. This was sent to me today:

Isle of Man – Guinea Pig for Registration & Monitoring of Home Education in Britain?

They are planning to criminalise parents who refuse to have their children interviewed or assessed:

Shockingly, the maximum new penalty for not complying with a school attendance order has risen from a £1,000 fine to £10,000 or a 6 months prison sentence.

All you have got to do is ignore the letters and you could face prison.

What happens to the children when Mum & Dad are doing porridge?

Get social services round to take the children away?

I'm utterly sick to death of these attacks on law abiding families by the likes of the Children's Commissioner.

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Oliversmumsarmy · 08/02/2019 14:50

Of the 4 families shown, three didn't want to home educate. That's what they were trying to say, they felt forced to

The programme should have been called “The Trouble with School”

I was someone who was forced to HE in order to teach Ds to read and write and do the basics in year 3 because the school weren’t interested.

I expected a documentary on HE not a witch hunt of how evil and incompetent I was at thinking I could do a better job than the school.(Which I did)

I didn’t watch all the programme but the lady who was dyslexic and had trouble with reading I would of liked to know if she had come through the marvellous education system or was she HE as well.
If she had come through the education system then showing her as incompetent just highlighted how the school system was not working.

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KingLooieCatz · 08/02/2019 15:21

Link to an interesting and relevant report here:

www.crimeandjustice.org.uk/resources/prosecuting-parents-truancy-who-pays-price

Survey respondents included Mumsnet users and the report found that women were over represented in those prosecuted for truancy.

Some parents have taken their children off-roll to avoid prosecution. In our sample we have 16 parents who have taken this step, usually to avoid prosecution. For some children home-schooling is, of course, a valid option and parents can successfully home-school their children if they have the time, skills and resources. This applies when it is freely chosen, and not imposed by the fear of prosecution.

Many of the parents wrote that the school did not understand the difficulties their child faced. ‘No understanding, no support’ was a typical remark.

They felt that schools do not fully understand what it means to be inclusive and that SEND discrimination happens all the time, with schools imposing sanctions and behaviour management strategies on vulnerable families and children

All the parents reported that it was impossible to force their fearful and panicky children into school. Despite their best efforts, many of these parents faced threats of prosecution or had fines imposed. Many were on benefits or low incomes and found it hard to pay fines.

FWIW, at one point, if we had been in a position to afford it we might have home schooled DS, subsequently diagnosed with ADHD. I will forever be grateful to his current primary school and the teachers he has had for the last three years, they have changed his life and ours. He is now a happy child with good self esteem who enjoys school and has friends.

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nevernotstruggling · 08/02/2019 18:55

I think every child deserves a basic standard of education and that the provision is checked up on whatever form it takes.

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zzzzz · 08/02/2019 19:03

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PooFlower · 08/02/2019 19:43

zzzzz has a point there. And who is going to pay for necessary resources?

Also how qualified will these 'inspectors' be?
EHE officers are not usually required to have higher than level 2 qualifications.

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thoroclock · 08/02/2019 20:15

Just noticed that references to Anne Longfield have been deleted from the original post and title.

Are we to presume from this that she's refused to respond?

Her FB page has taken all comments down and the rating option is no longer available.

Running and hiding?

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Oliversmumsarmy · 08/02/2019 20:23

I think every child deserves a basic standard of education and that the provision is checked up on whatever form it takes

So do I but it is clearly not happening in schools

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DobbinsVeil · 08/02/2019 20:38

See, my DC's primary school had an awful Ofsted report in 2016. Graded Inadequate. Inspectors found they weren't doing DBS/pre-employment checks for new staff, the child protection records weren't kept securely and they couldn't find them all, the teaching was weak (including knowledge of subjects they were teaching, like phonics), the pupil behaviour was poor, (school-wide), they weren't using the budget correctly for things like PP. And there was more stuff. They didn't shut it down, it had a couple of monitoring inspections it was reinspected 18 months after the full inspection. It has now risen to the giddy heights of RI. The school has had this pattern for a good few years.

I just can't see how that can be o.k. yet Home Ed should be subject to termly checks and the inspector would have the power to say the child must be returned to school.

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PooFlower · 08/02/2019 22:28

This is shared from facebook. I think it sums up what is going on in our schools and what was wrong with Dispatches.

Beautifully written by a Derbyshire parent to the Children's Commissioner after the horrendous Dispatches programme. Please share.

Dear Mrs Longfield,

I watched the Dispatches programme with a feeling of disappointment and annoyance.

Although I agree with some of the sentiments you cite on your website regarding the above, I found the programme to be extremely skewed and with an element of mocking the families who featured in it.

As a parent of two autistic children who have been dreadfully failed by this education system, I and many more like me are not ‘home educating’. We have been obliged to educate offsite due to chronic lack of support, bullying, intimidation, lack of funding, lack of understanding and gaslighting from schools.
We haven’t ‘felt’ that our children would be better at home, we have done so because of the crisis this broken school system has made for our children, to the point of attempted suicides and long term complex trauma/poor mental health. This is no choice for anyone.

I really felt for the dyslexic parent in the programme. Poor woman needed support not mockery and shame.

Have you collected parental data on the physical and mental damage collected by children in schools? I think you should.

Your attitude in the programme clearly exhibited your lack of understanding of additional needs and the neurodivergent way of developing.
You marched up the stairs into a child’s bedroom without consent or sensitivity and your judgemental attitude was more than evident.

You portrayed the mother of Leo as an soft touch and an incompetent educator, as you did with the majority of the other parents. You had no compassion for the circumstances which have forced this situation upon her. This was a clear communication to the nation watching, that no mercy is to be spared for parents in this situation.

I note that several of the parents have objected to the way they were portrayed in the programme. It is exploitation.

Have you investigated the incidences of depression, anxiety, trauma and self harm in children due to unsympathetic schooling? I think you should. There are plenty of articles freely available. Special Needs Jungle is one good resource.

www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/fp/mum-who-forced-law-change-says-sexual-abuse-of-children-badly-needs-to-be-addressed/?fbclid=IwAR3tabPBMEP7rnV7TGX4y2Ybhf9px7ChwHVkdN7lycZkjJ-obogB9SG9sW4

I could add many resources here but I hope these few articles provide some food for thought.

Here is what can happen to autistic children who are forced to endure traumatic environments with little understanding of their needs. They are dubbed ‘mentally ill’, ‘a danger to selves and others’ and a ‘burden in society’;

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6499991/Father-autistic-girl-treated-like-animal-fed-hatch-sues-NHS.html?fbclid=IwAR2HA3wdVvpiXw4Ax7lO9q1hzBVQfRwr6t459v4sxbtAQmDe2LxmELtFjv8

How cruel is this establishment becoming? I note that 5 more establishments like this are being built. The cost of a detainee in these horrific places is around £13.5k per week per person to the taxpayer, sometimes much more. These outdated institutions generate vast profits and employ low paid, poorly trained staff who have little understanding of the vulnerable young people in their care. Almost like Bedlam.
This is not an insignificant problem. There are many parents who are unable to extract their loved ones from these prisons.
THAT is a burden on the economy and on humanity. Not the needs of the vulnerable but the refusal and lack of compassion of those with the power to help them.

The programme was a great opportunity for good. However, it was a vehicle for oppression and greater damage to families in need.
I’m so disappointed, because families are literally being brought to their knees financially and emotionally by the stress and strain of this government’s deliberate withholding of educational supports. This felt like a knife of victim blame being firmly driven in.

If you really want to use your powers to help, please listen to parents instead of putting them in a media pillory.
I’m happy to assist you in further research, as I’m sure many others will be, should you choose to accept.

Yours sincerely,
(Name withheld)
Parent in Derbyshire Local Authority

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DishingOutDone · 08/02/2019 23:50
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Saracen · 09/02/2019 07:50

Further to the idea of inspections, when this was last proposed in 2009, Graham Stuart, then chair of the Education Select Committee, made a number of observations about the challenges involved. Here are a few:

'It seems to me that the Bill is predicated on thinking the worst of parents; it is all about the worst parents doing the worst job, and what we can do about that. That is what the Bill is based on, while it is assumed that local authority inspectors are marvellous.'

'The inspection system, as the Minister should know, is not neutral—it will have an effect on families. We heard from Autism in Mind, for instance, about the impact on children with autism when a stranger such as an inspector comes into the house.'

'The right hon. Member for Don Valley spoke about putting the cart before the horse. I go back to what “suitable” looks like, because the policy statement says:
“We intend to commission work to examine whether we can develop a set of principles describing good quality learning in home education”.
“Whether we can develop”? Surely we as legislators need to know the answer to that question before we legislate. We are giving blanket powers to local authorities to intervene and disrupt settled home education arrangements on the basis of an undefined offence. We might as well pass a law allowing the police to arrest people for an offence yet to be defined. Why not legislate so that courts can send someone to prison for two years for unsuitable behaviour in a public place, definition of “unsuitable” to follow—but do not worry, we plan to commission work to find out whether we can come up with a set of principles to describe it.'

publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200910/cmpublic/childsch/100204/pm/100204s10.htm?fbclid=IwAR3FJRI9m0uYpqfMxUvkEvqEQfNgZ16hhjwIiwovBZt-FSsfOmgSWeSJV0E

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AGnu · 14/02/2019 08:20

The Children's Commissioner's response to "feedback."

For anyone who doesn't have time to read, I'll summarise: "Blah, blah, I'm right, blah, blah, not listening. Registers for all potential abusers."

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NiamhMumsnet · 14/02/2019 10:03

Thanks again everyone for your comments. We've been sent a link to the Children's Commissioner's statement. Apologies again for not arranging to get responses in the first place, we'll be much more careful about this with future guest posts.

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Malkanah · 16/02/2019 12:30

Dear Ms Longfield
Your Dispatches program on channel 4, Monday 4th Feb was not a true representation of Home Educated children. Here I am referring mostly to the programme and in part to your comment here.

Aside from one case, it was a representation of children where school was failing them and their parents felt they had no other option than to help them at home (with, as of yet, no community to support them) and a child being kept home by neglecting or abusive parents.

By misrepresenting Home Education and it's communities, you are falsely supporting your agenda to bring about legislation for registering all Home Edded children and most concerning of all, it appears your aim to ensure the government controls what is taught to them.

Your use of language and emphasis in the programme and also in your Twitter comment, appears designed to cause the viewer to side with the false/negative implications/accusations contained within. Take for example your spoken comments, with words you strongly emphasised in brackets "parents can (simply) email a plan to the council....and they have (every right) to refuse a home visit" it is clear to me you are inferring that the viewer should find this extremely worrying.
In your written comments, 6th para. Using the phrase 'In fact' when it's based on your very limited research that you say 'suggests' is another example of your misleading propaganda which your programme and your comment is framed by.

In the programme you began a section with "Home Education is illegal in Germany". Why is that relevant? If you must refer to it perhaps bear in mind that just maybe it's illegality in Germany has it's roots in the history of controlling the mindset and actions of the people 'for the good of the nation' by owning the children's minds, Hitler Youth being a historical example.

I would find laughable the comments repeatedly made, 'these children are disadvantaged, how will they pass exams, get a job, compete with others in the work place' if it weren't so serious an allegation that was being promoted as foregone conclusion and tarring the majority of the Home Education community as disabling their children at best and abusing them at worst.

Some of your figures appear to be woefully inaccurate due to lack of any real footfall research. According to your figures only just 263 out of 11,000 exam age home educated children sat Year 11 exams last year. If this is true of the group you studied, it most certainly does not reflect the true number taking GCSE's etc.
Our two sons, home educated throughout their lives until 16, achieved A-B in 10 subjects, Maths/English/Sciences, plus others at C grade, evenly between them. We may have taken more if finances had allowed, but choosing not to has not disadvantaged them at all. They went on to achieve Distinction**- Distinction in college courses, one also worked with a charity funded course in London to alongside disadvantaged young people in music to help improve the course, and the other gained an award for film making from the UAL examining board. One has been full time employed in a professional highly sought after position for the last two years and the other is in his second A level year having gained three A's and a B in his AS levels last year.

I won't list any more of their achievements because they are mentioned for no other reason than to show that your program is not in any way a representation of HE. Our sons are by no means alone in being successful, well rounded home educated children/adults. Of those I know, virtually all have gone on to succeed in the traditional sense. To me the most important aspect of that success is that they realise they have value/worth, resilience, that they are loved and matter, that their happiness matters and eventually that they can be positive contributors in society whether that be a rocket scientist or a refuse collector.

You stated in the programme that "the freedom to create their own curriculum is one of the (your?) biggest criticisms of the whole system". I certainly do not want any 'body' being in control of what Home Edders teach because we tailor what and how anything is taught according to the learning style/interests of the child. Most of us would say that is one of the greatest benefits and I'm certain such interference would in the majority of cases cause disruption and limitation in their education.
In your written comments in the penultimate para. you state you want 'education officers to visit at least once per term to assess the suitability of their education, and their welfare' The one home visit that we accepted, in order to to be accepted for funding for three GCSE's each, was a pleasant exchange and the report was very positive. However the abundant grammar/spelling inaccuracies in it meant that I had to return it to be corrected before I could sign it as acceptable to me.

Why would you think any team/person who has to fit in yet something else in their overwhelming workload is in a suitable position in your words in the programme with your emphasis, to "(judge)" the "success, or (otherwise)" of a teaching method/curriculum that the official visitor has little actual experience of. It seems to me that this is most likely why you are negative about parents forming their own curriculum, you cannot make accurate judgments if you haven't dictated it in the first place. This is not an acceptable reason to make parents conform to governing bodies curriculum, it does not place the needs of the individual child first. I doubt mine would have achieved the musicianship skills they both have if I had been forever trying to jump through hoops to satisfy imposed curriculum. The framework you are attempting to impose is the straight jacket that the majority of Elective Home Educators chose either not to put on, or to throw off by removing their child from the school system.

I know personally, and know of, many traditionally schooled children who have been, and in other cases are continuing to be, 'failed' in the school/further education system. They still struggle with self esteem issues/confidence etc and achieved little or low GCSE results and have little sense of being able to problem solve. They often struggle to think independently, most of this is because earlier building blocks were missed, but the curriculum was so tightly adhered to that it served itself and ticked government boxes rather than meeting the pupils needs.

We all know that much of the education system is over loaded and under funded and teachers are often over worked and demoralised, this all feeds into the daily education of the pupils. There are many wonderful, excellent, hard working teachers and support staff that care about their pupils, but many have been struggling, or have become cynical and overwhelmed by the constant government dictates which start off with the right idea, but without the money, manpower and true wisdom/experience, haven't a hoping of working on the ground level. There are also those teachers who are outright bullies, or control 'freaks' or think the institution is what matters rather than the children who they consider are there to serve said institution and I've witnessed those firsthand.

Regarding safety. It is very clear to anyone who bothers to look that there is NO evidence that true Home Educated children are any more at risk of abuse than traditionally schooled children. If a parent is the type to inflict serious harm then this will happen regardless of their education setting. I won't cite all the heartbreaking cases of school children who have died either through abuse or suicide and were 'failed' by those around them, they are far too numerous and other comments on this thread evidence that for some school was not a safe place for their children. On your 'Children's Commissioner England FB page, there are many comments in the second post down (because you turned off people's ability to review the programme) that also evidence the lack of safety in school for many children.

Yes by all means respond to those who want a suitable education for their children, but are not in school for good reason, give them support before or when the school system is causing them to fail or worse driving them to ill health/suicide, but don't try to impose what you believe is the right way for all children to be taught. The education system does not have the finances, nor the human resource wisdom, nor the time etc to ensure a good education and positive welfare of a huge number of those already in the school system. It is grossly ignorant to think that by checking or controlling all Electively Home Educating families and what is taught/how it's taught that government will do a better job than they who have a vested interest in it's success.

I hope this helps you to see that although you may be well meaning, your only real concern should be a potentially worrying group of children being 'off rolled' who are in most cases failed by schools and whose parents are opting to call themselves Home Educators rather than be in trouble with the local authorities or put their children into yet another school which will fail to meet their needs. Many of these parents will go on to find a way forward and their children will do better working at home than they did in the school system, because if a child is unhappy, bullied, forced to conform to ways that do not meet their needs etc, they are likely to fail exams in school and also be disadvantaged mentally/emotionally, often for their lives. It's the remainder that perhaps need alternative systems of help (rather than hindrance by trying to teach them by ineffective methods) put into place. I understand why you find this group to be of concern.

Using the group of children who have either been off rolled, or whose parents did not choose Home Education but could see that it was that or their child would be seriously damaged or die, to work towards any kind of legislation to register all home educated children, or give government bodies new powers, let alone attempt to control what is taught is completely inappropriate to say the least.

I have found the main reason that most of us do not want to engage with any governing body, (aside from our choice not to pass on our right to provide an appropriate education for our children to an overall failing system) is because there is a perception among us that there can be a tendency for governing bodies to think you 'know better' and should be in charge. Your programme and comments bear this out and has been evidenced in your somewhat arrogant and blinkered presumptions about Home education overall.

Para. 6 "92% of councils in England do not feel they have adequate powers to assure the suitability of education"
Let me pose some questions What if the apparent agenda to impose government ideals which are not tailored to the individual child, along with what would currently in most cases be unwelcome visits, was dropped? What if there was a desire in 'you' to be willing to learn from 'us' without agenda and judgement or sense of entitlement? What if you would see it as a privilege to be invited into our educating methods/experiences and experience thinking outside of your own parameters? What if you took the time to truly learn about Home Education in it's fulness? What if you recognised and acknowledged that the school system may not be the best place for many children? What if you learned enough to understand that the suitability of an education varies from child to child and that for some a morning playing in a certain way can allow more learning than two weeks of timetabled, structured, book based, class based lessons with all of the distractions and struggles a child is encountering in them. What if you took a humble approach?

Perhaps a register would not be so unwelcome then, (although that would not ensure that the extremely small percentage of abusive parents would register) perhaps you'd think about how to help those who take a considerable financial burden off the government funded school system and not hinder them. And while the massive machine of the school systems problems are being gradually improved as constraints allow, perhaps you would implement true support methods to those who are struggling to know how to access HE support and not just follow the often punitive path systems governing bodies lay out to adhere to.

Overall, I perceive the Dispatches program has been a massive scaremongering, grossly unjust tactic to attempt to control the Home Education Community. Your written comments are no less so, although you do refer more to the actual group that you studied in the majority, those who the school system has 'let down'. I wish to clarify that phrase by saying that the teachers etc trying to implement the many governing systems/dictates for the most part cannot possibly do all that is being asked of them without it affecting their own health and well being and consequently the education and well being of the children in their care. I believe that is the crux of your problem.

With regards.

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Nigglenaggle · 21/02/2019 22:03

Her response is poor. @NiamhMumsnet can you ask her to respond directly to the concerns raised in this thread please? The response completely ignores them. How is this acceptable behaviour for someone who is supposed to be a public servant? She should resign.

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