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"Birth was supposed to be amazing, exhilarating and wondrous - not for me."

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 14/08/2017 16:50

My son was ripped from my body in a blur of panic and white hot fear. He didn't cry, I'm told. His lip was cut in the hurry to bring him into the world; a common occurrence, I'm told. He was resuscitated, life forced into his lungs before his screams filled the room, I'm told. And while my baby boy was making his grand arrival into the world, I was sleeping. Finally rid of the pain, fear and terror. Finally resting, blissfully unaware that I was a mother once more. Finally quiet, and alone once more.

It wasn't the entrance into the world that I had envisaged for my second born. Birth was supposed to be joyous. Birth was supposed to be happy. Birth was supposed to be amazing, exhilarating and wondrous! Not for me. I was sleeping as he was born. I was sleeping, and I didn’t want to wake up.

The hours after my son was born spiral around in my mind like fragmented pieces of someone else's story. The baby they handed to me was wrapped in a scratchy blue blanket and his skin was scrubbed and pink. He had a name and he was waiting for his first feed. He was waiting for me, but he surely wasn't my baby. I felt nothing. Blank. Empty. Hollow. I felt nothing. And yet, he was my son. He really was. And I was to care for him, whether I liked it or not, and so I switched on to auto pilot and I made myself be his mother.

Those hours on the postnatal ward were mixed. My son's first night was filled with screams (his) and sobs (mine) and yet I saw nobody but a poor, very lovely, student midwife. She helped me to prop the cot up to stop my baby's strangled chokes but she couldn't stay with me and so I spent those hours in between her visits convinced that he was going to die after all. Waiting for the inevitable. On the second night, I wobbled down to the hall for a shower and the relief I felt at leaving him behind was immense.

The first shower after a c-section is always awkward at best, and horrific at worst. Strangely, the cannula in my hand was the focus of my intense frustration and anger, and as the hot water jets struck it like needles I allowed the sobs to take over my body. I don't think I've ever felt more alone than I did right then. I wanted to stay locked in that bathroom but I knew that the pain radiating from every pore of my body would eventually force me back onto the ward.

I don't remember speaking to many people. I had visitors, but they were there for the baby and not for me. I didn't want anyone to see me and I couldn't understand why they were trooping in with cards and presents and smiles and hugs. I couldn't understand why they were all celebrating.

The second night on the ward was spent in a haze of pain and tears. This baby wasn't the same as his sister; this one cried a lot and seemed to be in pain. A little ball of red hot anger. The midwives had little time for me, and I was told that every baby had a bad night - this was my turn.

And as the sun began to rise on day three, my two-day-old son and I were discharged from the hospital - much to my surprise. I was nowhere near ready to leave. I was utterly terrified at the thought of having to go home with this baby. I was petrified of being alone with him. I was shaking at the idea of being a real mum to him. Despite the noise, the heat and the bloody sheets, I wanted to stay in the hospital with life suspended for a little while longer. I didn't want to accept that this was it now. This was life. I wanted to escape for longer. Or, failing that, I wanted to leave without my baby.

I actually contemplated walking out of there alone. And I wasn't sure anyone would stop me.

In the end, we were sent home that evening. We stepped out of the hospital and into the cold of December, forced to return to our lives and jumble everything together for a new normal. I was discharged with no pain relief, after being told that there was nothing I could take if I wanted to breastfeed my baby. I didn't want to breastfeed my baby! I'd done it because they told me to, held him to my breast because they said he was hungry. I was going through all the motions but I felt nothing at all.

At home, I stood before the mirror in my bedroom and wept. Who was that woman? A tattoo of bruises snaking from her neck to her knees. Two angry scars slashed across her belly. Weak, broken, battered. I want to hold her and tell her that she's going to be ok, eventually. I want to rage and scream and cry for her. I want to go back and change it all.

But I cannot change anything now. Mistakes were made and I am starting to make peace with that. I am learning that the way I reacted to my son's birth and the early days of his life wasn't abnormal after all. I am accepting of the fact that I was not well. I was suffering from post traumatic stress disorder, and I was in need of help. Help that I did not get. And I'm not alone.

Every year, up to 20,000 women go through a traumatic birth experience.* There is so much shame and guilt associated with birth trauma and too often women feel they are weak or abnormal for expressing their feelings. This has to stop! Health care providers need to be able to recognise when a woman is in need of support following her birth experience, and more needs to be done to give women the opportunity to speak out. I also believe that more needs to be done in the postnatal period.

The early days with your baby are so vitally important for bonding and establishing links between mother and child. After a traumatic birth it can be hard for women to feel a connection to their baby; it can be harder still to come to terms with being a mother when a baby is born under general anaesthetic. I know now that my reaction was not uncommon. What I needed back then was someone who understood. Someone who was able to spend some time listening to me, explaining what had happened and why. A birth reflections service is all well and good but some women are not able to ask for it. Health care providers need to recognise this and know when to offer additional support.

My son is almost eight years old. Six months ago I was given the official PTSD diagnosis. I've been through CBT therapy to try and find new ways to deal with the trauma of his birth and the early days of his life. Eight years is too long to wait. New mums need immediate support and help. New mums need compassion, kindness and respect. New mums need to know they are believed, they will be listened to and ultimately, they will be supported.

*Birth Trauma Association

Find out more about Birth Trauma Awareness Week and how Mumsnet is campaigning for Better Postnatal Care.

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Oldie2017 · 12/09/2017 11:13

I wonder why the guest poster thought birth woudl be wonderful and joyous! no one has ever said that to me, nor has that seemed the case in history either. Plenty of my ancestors had 10 babies and only 5 lived. By baby sister died soon after birth. Our riskiest 24 hours are when being born. Labour is labour - i.e. hard work, difficult, good in parts, hard in others. Why would anyone think otherwise?

Baby showers are dreadful - a pregnancy is a hope not an expectation and mother and child might well die so why tempt fate with materialistic gifts for only the potential hope of a live baby?

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Doobedo · 18/08/2017 22:54

My second birth was quite difficult staring witgna heavy bleed 2 weeks early - went to hospital and on a drip for 4 days being 'swept' and waters broken after several attempts manually. Very painful. Then after the birth which ended up ending after 20 minutes of Rapid contractions, no epidural ... I was left eye wateringly sore and quite astonished tic discover that, as the birth was safely completed, no one commented or asked about how I was feeling... or that as I visited the loo, a huge solid left my body and I had no idea what it was (and still don't )...I just feel we are as a race, less evolved than we like to believe...

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londonmummy1966 · 18/08/2017 21:58

MaQueen thank god for your mum! I had a lovely first birth - OK it hurt like hell but DD1 appeared within 13 hours of the first contraction with me in the birth centre on a birthing stool and only TENS for relief. Even so I probably had mild and undiagnosed PND afterwards as I too have issues with hormonal sensitivity and progesterone.

DD2 was no doubt what many people would also consider a "lovely natural birth". But 13 years later I am still dealing with the aftermath. I knew to the hour when she was conceived as DH was working abroad. But no one would listen - not even the midwives giving me 1:1 care who had delivered DD1. So when she was 4 weeks overdue moving a hell of a lot less and they were all telling me that they would leave her another 2 weeks as she was only 9lbs I knew something was likely to go wrong and induced myself with castor oil. The five hours I was with the midwives were the worst of my life. I struggled to get labour going and spent my entire time panicking that they would send me home. They wouldn't do anything to help - I was puking and in enormous distress and they were just trying to get me to get into the birthing pool to calm me down. After arguing the toss for 4 hours and 59 minutes they finally agreed to break my waters and there was a baby on the floor seconds later that they failed to catch. I was very lucky as I had a healthy daughter but at 7lbs and way way off the scale for length she was starving and my milk never came in so I had nothing to feed her with, which I have now been told was probably due to the birth trauma. My memories are also of days of fog - not really realizing that this was my baby; not wanting to be with her. Six months later I was finally diagnosed with PND and when she was 11 months old I was admitted to hospital for 6 months due to my MH.

So MaQueen and OP these are for you Flowers. Please ignore all the judgy comments - many women on this thread would have seen my second birth as normal/enviable - short, no medical intervention, only gas and air - but the effects of not being listened to or believed by midwives who should have known better still haunts me and I still can't always quite believe that I ended up with a healthy teenager.

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meroe · 18/08/2017 21:39

My midwife told me I was being ridiculous when I said I was in pain. She didn't even notice when I was sick 9 times.
Later, I asked to access the birth reflections service but was told my experience didn't count because I'd had a CS. I was so upset on the phone that the midwife then asked to speak to my husband - after he twice asked her not to talk over him (very politely), she hung up on him. I had postnatal and ongoing depression for years after that.
I'm pregnant at the moment, and the only thing on my birth plan will be, "Please clean up my sick" - I have no positive expectations for this birth at all. Is that "realistic" enough?

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AnneGrommit · 17/08/2017 20:48

Maqueen hurrah for your mum - I can just imagine her pacing in like a tigress defending her young! But she shouldn't have had to do that.

Midwife was probably worried about her breastfeeding stats. Well, maybe if there was more support for breastfeeding mothers the stats in the UK wouldn't be so bloody abysmal.

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IDoDaChaCha · 17/08/2017 19:11

MaQueen it's disgusting. How dare she. I read a bit about midwives and how some of them make nasty comments and disregard patient wishes before I gave birth so I was prepared. One of the midwives attending my home birth had given a friend examinations she specifically said she didn't want during her birth and made unprofessional comments. I found her (normally extremely irritating patronising voice) actually soothing during labour. But she very much gave the air of knowing better than me, despite me being the one feeling what was happening... She even snorted on a home visit in front of my family that the baby wasn't about to crown - when I had felt the head with my own hand in the birthing pool!!! The fact another woman can tell you that you did not feel your baby's head with your own hand is ridiculous. She wasn't doing checks every 5mins as I didn't want that so she didn't know- but wouldn't take my word for it. Your midwife shouldn't have pushed bf on you. It's your choice. None of her frigging business. Your DM sounds brilliant! Wish my DM was like that...

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MaQueen · 17/08/2017 18:33

IDo even when I got tearful she told me 'You're not thinking of your baby's wellbeing'...

Luckily my amazing Mum overheard, marched in from the next room and declared 'Well MaQueen is my baby, and I'm thinking of her wellbeing, and if she wants to stop BF then she should'.

I luffs my Mum...

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IDoDaChaCha · 17/08/2017 18:27

MaQueen that midwife is indeed a bitch. She should be retrained.

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MaQueen · 17/08/2017 18:13

My midwife told me I 'was very selfish' and 'Only thinking of myself' when I told her I was going to stop BF DD1 after 4 weeks.

She also told me that 'if I gave DD1 even one bottle of formula it would totally negate all the goodness she'd had from being BF'.

Yes, really.

She knew I'd just been diagnosed with severe PMS...

Bitch. Fucking bitch.

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SonicBoomBoom · 17/08/2017 17:37

Do midwives do this?

The midwife who did my NHS antenatal classes said that those who did it without any intervention had "done well".

She said the same about those who did it without pain relief.

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Fabsmum · 17/08/2017 16:07

" telling women they are failures if they have interventions is not acceptable"

Do midwives do this? Hmm

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Fabsmum · 17/08/2017 16:05

"I think the Royal College of Midwives have now realised their advice about a "normal" birth was incorrect and that every type of birth is normal"

Someone else who's picked up on the fake news story from the Times and Guardian this week. Sad

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RCM renamed and refocused their campaign to support and promote normal birth three years ago in recognition that the term 'normal' has values attached to it in our culture which have resulted in some women feeling judged when this term is used in relation to birth. Their new campaign is called 'Better Births' and while it still has the same focus on practices which will help mothers and midwives optimise the likelihood of a physiological birth, is also about good care in pregnancy and postnally as well.

They absolutely HAVE NOT dropped a core tenet of their role which is to protect and support the normal physiology of labour.

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IDoDaChaCha · 17/08/2017 09:05

Very sorry your experience wasn't what you wanted OP Flowers However I agree with a lot of PPs that expectations of birth need to be managed properly. It might not go swimmingly. I planned home birth in a pool (first baby) which I nearly successfully did: full dilation with no pain relief. Then DD got stuck and wouldn't come out. We transferred to hospital, I had a spinal and episiotomy (the side incision into the buttock type not just a perineum snip) and DD was delivered with forceps. I was extremely grateful to the NHS staff who delivered her. By that time I was exhausted, had been in labour a long time and needed help. The surgeon explained DD's head was turned to the side which is why she had become stuck and told me this was not my fault. My hospital stay wasnt pleasant and mistakes were made there and also by people in my personal life, all of which made things harder for me. But whilst I didn't have the birth I planned I'm extremely grateful to have a healthy baby. I think that has to be the ultimate goal. I don't discount birth trauma at all though, it is very real. Our NHS needs more funding.

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BubblesBuddy · 17/08/2017 08:16

I have just heard the blogger called "Sarah" on Radio 5. She was utterly unrealistic about birth and I think the Royal College of Midwives have now realised their advice about a "normal" birth was incorrect and that every type of birth is normal. It was poor preparation for eventualities other than no intervention.

The NCT are equally faulty. I went to their classes and when I said I was opting for an epidural I was more or less drummed out! Actually an epidural can really help with relaxing and making the birth calmer. Each to their own but I knew I was pain averse and I did have good birth and slept through labour at one point. It's a case of knowing yourself and being realistic.

Stress afterwards is an individual reaction. Information and sensible options before birth are the responsibility of professionals to advise on the choices and realistic expectations are important and telling women they are failures if they have interventions is not acceptable.

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HeteronormativeHaybales · 17/08/2017 07:35

My first birth + aftermath, based on its circumstances (2 days plus of labour, every intervention going except forceps and CS, distress in my ds, passed out after third stage (me), PPH, sleepy jaundiced baby, hospital subsequently almost ruining bf - which is another matter), could have been traumatic, but it wasn't. So my options reading this thread are to congratulate myself for my superior robustness and resilience and tell all those other women making a fuss to be grateful, or consider that perhaps, for example, I had care that enabled me to not feel alone, or was lucky to be well-supported after the birth, and develop a bit of empathy for those for whom things panned out differently. The first choice is tempting (as it is self-flattering), the second is more difficult, but preferable. I think I'll go with the second.

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Out2pasture · 17/08/2017 02:25

Even with an ideal delivery some women don't bond with their newborns. A discrepancy between your "dream" birth and actual birth is one aspect, then there is the trauma involved, then the bonding issue.

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ZenNudist · 17/08/2017 02:09

I'm sorry that you had a bad time of things. Your account is very dramatic.

I'm not quite sure how you managed to miss the message that birth is painful and difficult. It certainly is portrayed that way on television and film.

But I do you think that even if you had had a realistic attitude you would still have experienced awful trauma, at the end of the day your experience of birth was a bad one. That sucks.

I'm one of the lucky ones I suppose in that I've had 2 natural deliveries, drug Free active birthing, one home birth. I was still quite traumatised at the end of the first one partly that was because the trip to hospital was a complete nightmare and my home birth went much better and probably was a bit more like your unrealistic idea of birth. It was fun empowering and I felt like I knew what I was doing and I was in control when I need it to be and it did get hairy at times.

A debrief definitely helped me get over my first birth experience but I didn't go back for more for another three and a half years. I was ready to give birth right away after having DS2!

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AnneGrommit · 17/08/2017 00:02

A lot of ignorance on here about PTSD which is a medical condition that has been recognised (although given different names) for over a century. I had it myself although it was undiagnosed for over a decade. Thanks to that diagnosis I finally got appropriate counselling and it really has changed my life. The memory is still there but it has massively receded to the point where it is almost a normal memory now.

During my diagnosis and treatment I learned that it isn't even necessarily the most traumatic event you have experienced that can leave you with PTSD (it certainly wasn't the case for me). My psychologist said that he has treated people who had been through war traumas and were fine but had the condition after eg witnessing a nasty accident. So it isn't a case of strength or weakness or whatever but just that sometimes an event will happen that your brain deals with badly and there you are, you've got PTSD.

It also isn't something that can be dealt with by 'just getting on with it' or 'counting yourself lucky' - that actually exacerbates the distress because this event is crying out to be dealt with and ignoring it just makes it worse because every time you do that you are embedding unhealthy and ultimately harmful mechanisms.

Weirdly (it's the nature of the beast innit) I did have a horrible birth experience with one of mine and we were both very ill for some time and I did the nicu thing in all its grimness but that didn't leave me with trauma. But that's just how my memory has processed that information and I'm lucky that's the case. But having experienced PTSD brought on by a different event I have all sympathy for those affected by it through birth experiences and I hope you all eventually find your own ways out of this hellish condition. Flowers

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Fabsmum · 16/08/2017 23:32

"Only a small percentage have wondrous births"

The majority of low risk women who choose not to have hospital births go on to have uncomplicated labours with no need for an epidural.

Most people's labours are absolutely fine.

And you don't have to have an 'easy' or short labour to have a birth you will go on to describe as 'wonderful'.

Labour is a colossal feat of physical endurance and is often gruelling. So is mountain climbing or running marathons. People can accept that both these things can be profoundly difficult and physically and emotionally excruciating, and at the same time amazing and life altering in a good way. Why can't people see that labour is also like this for many women?

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MaQueen · 16/08/2017 23:00

At 37 weeks, I hadn't felt DD1 move all day. My midwife scanned me and saw that (thankfully) DD1 was fine, but she was an extended breech - with her head up under my ribs.

So, she advised I had an elective c-section. My c-section was scheduled for 9am, but there were so many emergency c-sections that day, that I didn't go to theatre until 4pm. I had been nil by mouth for nearly 24 hours by that point, so felt dreadfully thirsty with a blinding headache.

In theatre, the aneasthetist struggled to give me a spinal block, it was extremely painful. He managed it on the 3rd attempt. Being very dehydrated, and faint through low blood sugar I was physically shacking with distress. DD1 was also becoming distressed and the midwife was struggling to find DD1's heart beat. The surgeon told her to swab me immediately with Betadine so he could make the incision. After a second, he barked 'Faster' at her.

They got DD1 out very quickly, but it felt very rough and brutal. It felt like a thousand seconds before we heard her cry. Because I had an IV drip in both hands I couldn't hold her, but DH held her close to my face. I looked at her and felt nothing. I felt so sick and faint and shaky.

The next few hours are a fog. My family visited that evening, but my memories were jumbled and I thought they visited the following night. By 9pm, I was alone with DD1 and the spinal bloke was wearing off and the pain was bad. No one had remembered to get my script for proper pain relief signed by a doctor, and there wasn't a doctor available. The pain increased. By 10pm I was crying with pain - I'd had major abdominal surgery only 6 hours earlier and all they could give me was paracetamol.

By 11pm the pain was unbearable and I vomited. Finally, a midwife took pity and injected morphine straight into my muscle, thank God, thank God, thank God. They took DD1 to the nursery, so I slept for a while. But then they brought her back at 4am, waking me up 'because the nursery was too busy'.

I was groggy with morphine, and didn't have use of my legs...but they left DD1 with me anyway. She cried and cried.I had to shuffle along the bed, to drag her cot toward me and it was agony. It was agony to lift her, and I had no idea how to BF her. I buzzed and buzzed, but no one came.

At 6am a midwife appeared and ordered me into the shower. I could barely walk, only shuffle tiny steps. There was no one to help me. My stomach felt like it was on fire and I was terrified of slipping on the wet shower floor. All I had was a thin strip of dressing over my stapled stomach. I have never felt so vulnerable. I sobbed and sobbed in the shower and the water poured down.

I was shaky with hunger, but was told I'd have to walk to the other end of the ward for breakfast - that was about 50 yards away. It might as well have been 50 miles. It hurt so much to walk (they'd removed DD1 so fast, that my innards had been really pounded). So I didn't eat. When I looked at DD1 I felt nothing.

I was in a room alone, and was left to change DD1 and try and feed her. I didn't see anyone until DH arrived at 10am and at last I had help, but I knew something was very wrong inside my head. I couldn't focus and I felt so scared and shaky. Friends and family visited and my room was filled with flowers and cards, but it felt like I watching it all from behind a thick pane of glass. When I looked at DD1 I felt nothing.

I had no sleep for the next 48 hours, as they wouldn't take DD1 to the nursery 'It's too busy.' A midwife raised her voice to me for not wearing my compression stockings. I hadn't been able to bend to put them back on. For some reason my nipples were bleeding and BF was so painful. When I looked at DD1 I felt nothing.

My Auntie brought me a pot of flowering hyacinths and the scent was over powering (to this day I can''t bear the smell of hyacinths, -it makes my stomach clench because it puts me back in a hot hospital room with a screaming DD1).

I was discharged on Day 4 of this misery. I wanted to leave DD1 at the hospital but knew I couldn't say that aloud. The midwife assumed I would sit in the back with DD1. I couldn't bear to. I sat in front with DH and desperately pretended there wasn't a newborn on the back seat.

The fog was still in my head and I got confused and thought DH wasn't driving us home as I didn't recognise any of the roads. Once home I couldn't focus enough to even make a cup of coffee correctly for DH, me and my Mum and I cried in the kitchen. That night, I sat in the bathroom and worked out on a piece of paper exactly how many days until DD1 would start school. The number ran into the thousands, and I cried all over again. When I looked at DD1 I felt nothing.

Not surprisingly, within 3 weeks I was diagnosed with severe PND. I now know that I am extremely sensitive to hormone fluctuation and highly intolerant of progesterone. So it was very likely that I was always going to develop PND - but I honestly believe that the trauma of birth amplified my symptoms to a great extent by also causing me to have PTSD, too. And that is too much for anyone to take.

It was five, very long and dark months before I felt the first glimmer of affection for DD1, and over the next year I slowly fell in love with her. But it took another 2 years, and the birth of another DD before I was fully recovered from PND.

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Abbylee · 16/08/2017 22:59

First, you need therapy if you are boasting about abuse while abusing others bc of your difficulty. My husband thought that he lost ds and me when I gave birth. Ds was unexpected butt first breach, c-section, with one Dr. In a first world country. Shall I bash every mom whose Dr was not Stupid? Arrogant?
Childbirth is a 1-10 scale event. My mother had easy deliveries, mine were difficult.
Only a small percentage have wondrous births. The rest just muck through and are grateful for hopefully healthy babes.

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kingfishergreen · 16/08/2017 22:49

I'm sorry but to me a traumatic birth is one ever that results in death or injury to mum or baby.

Some would say that thinking your baby is dying, having them pulled from you and resuscitated, hearing your own vitals as you go into shock, and waking-up with 80 stitches across your abdomen having lost litres of blood counts as 'injury'.

Of course the loss of a child is the worst possible trauma, but it's not the only trauma.

What's traumatic to person A is not traumatic to person B, we are all different, there is no 'correct' perception of trauma.

I didn't expect a 'perfect' delivery with singing larks and scented oils, but neither did I expect to nearly die.

A year on, I still see the look on that MW's face as she lost trace of DD's heartbeat, and reached for her red button. Trying to pretend she wasn't panicking.

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Slimthistime · 16/08/2017 21:31

PS I absolutely see how it can cause PTSD and was quite raging when a friend nearly died giving birth and other people made comments about the effect on the bond with the baby when my friend was still in intensive care and I was frightened she'd die.

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Slimthistime · 16/08/2017 21:28

Ive honestly never come across the idea that giving birth would be lovely in any way
Unless my brain filtered out those comments
Women in my family have always had horrific experiences giving so perhaps I absorbed that from a young age.

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