Anybody else not 'DO' Organic?

[dyzzidi]

Okay so I don't have kids yet so i may alter my opinion then but I don't do organic.

I actually refuse to buy anything organic as I feel it has not harmed me all of my life eating normal stuff.

I eat quite healthily lots of fruit and veg etc but will not pay for the organic label and what is organic ketchup & baked beans all about?. I thought if something was bad for you it was bad for you regardless of that is in it.

Also I don't do Tofu or quorn or anything I feel is manufactured veggies.

Ok there I have voiced the fact that I and many of my friends don't do organic, Anyone else?????

[Enid]

sorry, but 'I eat with the masses'????

[dyzzidi]

Might have been some healthy but a lot of stodge, potatoes, puddings etc. With seven kids the emphasis was on filling all the mouths not a varied diet. Come on are you telling me most things were not a luxury when money was so short.

[stitch]

katie, its the deja vu i got when i was reading the thread and people were talking about doing research, and making decisions, and feeding our kids what we think is best.
i dont think it will get as heated, as i dont think people feel as strongly about it.
still i am going to check out the link, as to be honest i dont knwo that much about it, and am a bit like dyzzidi in my attitude to it, i think

[snafu]

LOL enid - was just about to say the same. This is a very weird kind of inverted snobbery if you ask me.

[dyzzidi]

Sorry Enid Most people I have obviousley come over all political. Maybee should call a strike at work to keep myself militant

[Enid]

yes, don't disagree that there weren't many luxuries, but IMO there is nothing wrong with 'stodge' - whats wrong with potatoes? They wouldn't have had half the crap they spray on them these days to please the supermarkets.

[Enid]

dyzzidi -

[Socci]

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[snafu]

potatoes for the proletariat, anyone?

[SoupDragon]

I'm always curious when people say "I've eaten non-organic all my life and it's not harmed me or my parents/grandparents" etc. Aren't cancers and other nasty diseases more common now then they used to be? Who's to say this isn't linked to increased pesticide use?

[stitch]

most of the stodge was necessary as people a couple of generations ago generally led much more active lives
for example, my dad, not working class, but still walked five miles to school and back. he needed the stodge in his diet to give him the calories to burn. if chaueffer driven kids who play on their playstations all the time were given that food, they would be heart disease and diabetes cases

[dyzzidi]

My point is that they probably did have the pesticides but nobody was really that informed. And certainly couldn't have afforded alternatives.

[snafu]

they are, stich!

[Socci]

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[snafu]

I must admit paying £1.24 for two small organic courgettes yesterday did stop me in my tracks...

[dyzzidi]

regards to cancers etc I live in an inner city I don't have a car as public transport is just as good. but surely pollution , enviromental issues etc contribute to asthma, cancers etc.

[Ameriscot2005]

SD, I don't think there is any evidence that pesticide residue causes cancers.

What there is evidence of is that not eating your veggies can cause cancer.

Non-organic vegetables are better than no vegetables - the worst thing about the organic debate is that those who can't really afford organic take their veggie budget and buy fewer, but more expensive, veggies with it. They increase their real risk by lowering their vegetable consumption, but don't really get a measurable benefit from eating organic.

[dyzzidi]

Maybe it is so expensive is because like it or not ladies you are a captive audience. as in if you want it you will pay for it at whatever the cost. (within reason)

[stitch]

soupdragon, one of the reasons that cancer is more prevalent now, is that before people rarley lived long enough to die of cancer. they would die of other things, malnutrition, childbirth, other bacterial or viral illnesses whose names i cant think of right now. etc etc. and those who were younger when they got cancer, would generally just slowly lose weight etc, and die without being diagnosed as having cancer.

so i dont think its right to say that we have a higher risk of cancer coz of pesticides etc, just a higher rate of diagnosis of the problem. imo.

[snafu]

Yes, they do - so why increase your chances by filling your body with pesticides and other carcinogenic crap?

I don't always buy organic, btw, but I do think this 'I've eaten xxx all my life and I'm fine' attitude is strange, especially considering you seem to be quite 'green' in other ways!

[snafu]

that last post was to dyzzidi, btw!

[Ameriscot2005]

Pesticides 30 or 40 years ago were much worse than the ones we have nowadays, and used without the kind of regulatory control and safety measures we have.

[Enid]

think you are a bit paranoid dyzzidi as I am sure the supermarkets would love to drop their organic prices to compete with other supermarkets, its expensive as their is less demand and also crops cannot be relied upon in the way sterile, pesticide sprayed crops can be relied on.

[misdee]

so if i could only afford a few organic items, then carrots and bananas are the way to go? why is that? just planning dd's packed lunches for next term (she will eat little carrots)

[Ameriscot2005]

What evidence do you have that pesticide residue causes cancer, Snafu?