Best Bremain argument I've seen

[Notbigandnotclever]

Copied from a Facebook post by Calvin Morris.

A good friend of mine came up with a great idea. If you don't have the time/inclination to find out all the facts about the EU referendum (I don't blame you) and are possibly unsure which way to vote, perhaps knowing how other notable people are thinking could help out.

Here are a few that strongly believe the UK should remain a member of the EU:

• Governor of the Bank of England
• International Monetary Fund
• Institute for Fiscal Studies
• Confederation of British Industry
• Leaders/heads of state of every single other member of the EU
• President of the United States of America
• Eight former US Treasury Secretaries
• President of China
• Prime Minister of India
• Prime Minister of Canada
• Prime Minister of Australia
• Prime Minister of Japan
• Prime Minister of New Zealand
• The chief executives of most of the top 100 companies in the UK including Marks and Spencer, BT, Asda, Vodafone, Virgin, IBM, BMW etc.
• Kofi Annan, the former Secretary General of the United Nations
• All living former Prime Ministers of the UK (from both parties)
• Virtually all reputable and recognised economists
• The Prime Minister of the UK
• The leader of the Labour Party
• The Leader of the Liberal Democrats
• The Leader of the Green Party
• The Leader of the Scottish National Party
• The leader of Plaid Cymru
• Leader of Sinn Fein
• Martin Lewis, that money saving dude off the telly
• The Secretary General of the TUC
• Unison
• National Union of Students
• National Union of Farmers
• Stephen Hawking
• Chief Executive of the NHS
• 300 of the most prominent international historians
• Director of Europol
• David Anderson QC, Independent Reviewer of Terrorism Legislation
• Former Directors of GCHQ
• Secretary General of Nato
• Church of England
• Church in Scotland
• Church in Wales
• Friends of the Earth
• Greenpeace
• Director General of the World Trade Organisation
• WWF
• World Bank
• OECD

Here are pretty much the only notable people who think we should leave the EU:

• Boris Johnson, who probably doesn’t really care either way, but knows he’ll become Prime Minister if the country votes to leave
• A former Secretary of State for Work and Pensions who carried out a brutal regime of cuts to benefits and essential support for the poorest in society as well as the disabled and sick
• That idiot that was Education Secretary and every single teacher in the country hated with a furious passion for the damage he was doing to the education system
• Leader of UKIP
• BNP
• Britain First
• Donald Trump
• Keith Chegwin
• David Icke

So, as I said, if you can’t be bothered to look into the real facts and implications of all this in/out stuff, just pick the list that you most trust and vote that way. It really couldn’t be more simple.

And if you are unsure about leaving, don't.

Please repost this list, if you think it might help.

[EnthusiasmDisturbed]

Mmm I never said I agreed with Trump I pointed out he is not part of the political elite and that he is challenging them

[nearlyhellokitty]

I disagree that he's not part of the elite though - his whole 'challenging the man' thing is part of the act

[CoolforKittyCats]

Blair is on there as sadly he comes under All living former Prime Ministers of the UK (from both parties)

No goady description of him in there is there like there is for Brexiters is there?

[purits]

there is no reason for them to have HQ in London if we aren't in the EU.

So you don't mind that thousands of people around the country have lost their jobs. You only care about the elite in HQ in London. I can see why you are in the Remain camp.

[NeckguardUnbespoke]

Quite. I love Londoners telling the rest of the country to suck it up.

[nearlyhellokitty]

European HQs are not just in London. All over the UK and in some places where there aren't a lot of other options. In fact the north and e.g. Cornwall might have the most to lose..

Meanwhile for financial services/ it remains true that the HQs are in London

[nearlyhellokitty]

and seriously purits - leaving means a MUCH bigger risk for people's jobs.

[NeckguardUnbespoke]

There are companies with their European HQ in Cornwall? Such as?

[JeanGenie23]

I just hope people vote, I want to remain in, and a lot of people I know feel the same, but I also know a lot of people who IMO take the wrong approach to politics and don't vote at all, because they feel so let down, politicians being liars and all...

[purits]

and seriously purits - leaving means a MUCH bigger risk for people's jobs.

Go on. Explain.

[nearlyhellokitty]

That's not what I said in fact. I said that Cornwall is one of areas that has a lot to lose. The reason for that is that Cornwall has received an enormous amount of regional funding, not to mention EU -

FT
"There is the brand new university campus on the hill above the town, built with more than £100m from Brussels. Down at the water’s edge, the EU has helped transform a dilapidated wharf into a funky office space. It has spruced up roads and rail lines. And it has spent £50m to help bring superfast broadband internet service to a remote region where it was scarce.... With just 530,000 people, Cornwall took in more than €654m from Brussels during the EU’s 2007 to 2013 budget cycle, among the UK’s biggest beneficiaries. It has been earmarked at least €600m more — worth some €1,209 per person — up to 2020. ETC ETC"

See the chart on where the EU funding goes.

[kirinm]

Can I just ask those who intend on voting to leave - IF we actually do leave and go into recession (I appreciate not everyone accepts that will happen) would you regret your vote or do you think a recession is worth going through for whatever benefit you think we'll get from leaving the EU?

Not intended to be goady, just genuinely wondering how people feel about a rocky economy. In the interests of transparency, I will be voting to remain.

[purits]

Bamford of JCB isn't in the Remain camp. He sells all over the world, the EU is only a small part of his sales so it doesn't matter to him if we are in or out.
We are stuck in the spider's web but Remain's solution is to get deeper in. The answer is to diversify, not get more enmeshed with the EU.

[nearlyhellokitty]

purits well. even the leave campaign agree that there will be economic pain from brexit (just disagree on how long for). economic uncertainty - leads to a lack in investment, jobs freeze and potentially job losses. It's a natural consequence of choosing economic pain. So even if you think it's short term , still bigger risk of losing jobs.

www.bbc.com/news/business-36446023
www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/21/brexit-could-cost-100bn-and-nearly-1m-jobs-cbi-warns
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/vote-remain-staying-eu-best-8190719
www.tuc.org.uk/international-issues/europe/eu-referendum/workplace-issues/brexit-could-risk-%E2%80%9Clegal-and-commercial

[nearlyhellokitty]

JCB aren't in favour of the EU because the Commission stood up to them on unfair selling practices and fined them under competition law (fixing resale prices etc)

[purits]

IF we actually do leave and go into recession (I appreciate not everyone accepts that will happen) would you regret your vote or do you think a recession is worth going through for whatever benefit you think we'll get from leaving the EU?

I'm thinking long term. A few year's recession is neither here nor there. I speak as one who has been through recessions before and lived to tell the tale.
I was listening to a programme on the radio the other day about the Manchester city centre bombings. At the time it was horrible but that 'shock' to the system and the consequent investment was what turned Manc into the vibrant city it now is.
I'm not saying 'unemployment is a price worth paying'. But sometimes it has to get worse before it gets better, you have to make the grown-up, hard decisions. Otherwise politicians buy your compliance with bread and circuses and we sleepwalk into a mess while they skip off to get a cushty job on the EU gravytrain.

[CoolforKittyCats]

JCB aren't in favour of the EU because the Commission stood up to them on unfair selling practices and fined them under competition law (fixing resale prices etc)

Others are for remain due to the money they may get from EU whether that is better gorgeous workers or not.

It goes round and round in circles...

[OrangesandLemonsNow]

do you think a recession is worth going through for whatever benefit you think we'll get from leaving the EU?

Last recession we had we were in the EU.

No one can guarantee if we stay it won't happen again either.

[PlymouthMaid1]

Yes a few years of recession Is worth it to regain our right to run our own country in my opinion. Interestingly, driving g tnbrokugh For wall yesterday I only saw leave campaign banners. That is a very biased list.

[PlymouthMaid1]

Should day driving through Cornwall... Ruddy tablet

[nearlyhellokitty]

Purits - want to hazard a guess as to who helped provide funding to rebuild Manchester airport after those bombings...

[nearlyhellokitty]

Plymouth -

We do run our country. This whole 'take back control' speaking point is mendacious and misleading.

[nearlyhellokitty]

oranges true. no guarantees. But a much higher risk. Parallels with climate science -
overwhelming consensus amongst scientists that climate change is a major risk. A few scientists not convinced and muddy the waters so people get confused and think that the arguments are equal.. basically the vast majority of economists think there's a bigger risk from leaving.

[OrangesandLemonsNow]

basically the vast majority of economists think there's a bigger risk from leaving.

Vast majority of economists wanted us to join the Euro. Thank goodness we didn't

[OrangesandLemonsNow]

Oh and Corbyn has just said they would vote down the 'emergency' budget along with the 57 Tory MP that Osborne has proposed today.