Best Bremain argument I've seen

[Notbigandnotclever]

Copied from a Facebook post by Calvin Morris.

A good friend of mine came up with a great idea. If you don't have the time/inclination to find out all the facts about the EU referendum (I don't blame you) and are possibly unsure which way to vote, perhaps knowing how other notable people are thinking could help out.

Here are a few that strongly believe the UK should remain a member of the EU:

• Governor of the Bank of England
• International Monetary Fund
• Institute for Fiscal Studies
• Confederation of British Industry
• Leaders/heads of state of every single other member of the EU
• President of the United States of America
• Eight former US Treasury Secretaries
• President of China
• Prime Minister of India
• Prime Minister of Canada
• Prime Minister of Australia
• Prime Minister of Japan
• Prime Minister of New Zealand
• The chief executives of most of the top 100 companies in the UK including Marks and Spencer, BT, Asda, Vodafone, Virgin, IBM, BMW etc.
• Kofi Annan, the former Secretary General of the United Nations
• All living former Prime Ministers of the UK (from both parties)
• Virtually all reputable and recognised economists
• The Prime Minister of the UK
• The leader of the Labour Party
• The Leader of the Liberal Democrats
• The Leader of the Green Party
• The Leader of the Scottish National Party
• The leader of Plaid Cymru
• Leader of Sinn Fein
• Martin Lewis, that money saving dude off the telly
• The Secretary General of the TUC
• Unison
• National Union of Students
• National Union of Farmers
• Stephen Hawking
• Chief Executive of the NHS
• 300 of the most prominent international historians
• Director of Europol
• David Anderson QC, Independent Reviewer of Terrorism Legislation
• Former Directors of GCHQ
• Secretary General of Nato
• Church of England
• Church in Scotland
• Church in Wales
• Friends of the Earth
• Greenpeace
• Director General of the World Trade Organisation
• WWF
• World Bank
• OECD

Here are pretty much the only notable people who think we should leave the EU:

• Boris Johnson, who probably doesn’t really care either way, but knows he’ll become Prime Minister if the country votes to leave
• A former Secretary of State for Work and Pensions who carried out a brutal regime of cuts to benefits and essential support for the poorest in society as well as the disabled and sick
• That idiot that was Education Secretary and every single teacher in the country hated with a furious passion for the damage he was doing to the education system
• Leader of UKIP
• BNP
• Britain First
• Donald Trump
• Keith Chegwin
• David Icke

So, as I said, if you can’t be bothered to look into the real facts and implications of all this in/out stuff, just pick the list that you most trust and vote that way. It really couldn’t be more simple.

And if you are unsure about leaving, don't.

Please repost this list, if you think it might help.

[GiddyOnZackHunt]

I'd have to spoil my ballot if I was voting on the basis of what the politicians are telling me Utter horrors on both sides!

[EnthusiasmDisturbed]

No I was just putting my opinion forward about how I feel about voting and how I am not concerned and I feel others shouldn't be about name calling or personalities

[mollie123]

enthusiasm - if that was directed at me - where did I attack YOUR intelligence as I do not know you or where you stand on the referendum vote
If you read so many posts that say the 'leave' supporters are racist, bigotted, stupid, insane and so on you will realise how many remainers accuse them of just that.
I did not say 'why aren't you' (and even then the you is generic rather than any particular stranger on a publice forum) I asked 'aren't you?' to which the intelligent answer from those who have thought about it would be 'yes'

[EnthusiasmDisturbed]

I agree the vote is not about politicians

And certainly not about a celeb ideas on how we should vote

I am not so concerned to appear liberal that I can't at times agree with Farage or have my intelligence attacked by a stranger on a public forum

I am voting for what I feel is right after having done my research

[mollie123]

I still find it absolutely baffling that people are deciding how to vote - dependent on whether they like the person on one side or the other
Why??
do you not have independent thought - look at the facts, ignore who is for what, and exercie your democratic right to do the best for the country you live in.
Each of those people quoted in the OP has ONE vote (if they are a UK resident) and their decision is nothing to do with how you should vote!
For me a bunch of rich people, 'celebrities', politicians of every colour, and leaders of other countries would not influence me at all.
I am intelligent enough to make my own decision - aren't you?

[nearlyhellokitty]

Are you OK dihannah23?

[dihannah23]

Here is propaganda

[dihannah23]

Just propaganda. Nothing personal here.

[dihannah23]

Just another propaganda message from someone without children

[dihannah23]

I agree. Someone is manipulating my comments / blogs

[dihannah23]

This again is propaganda and not really "my thread"

[dihannah23]

Seriously ! we're getting propaganda on our mumsnet - not happy

[dihannah23]

No-one has ever cared about voting for the mwp. It has only ever been another cross to put on the the ballot paper while you made the effort to turn out for someone that you believed in

[dihannah23]

and me. \there is no decent info here. Just - let's have a go at him and thinkhe's good - seriously not helpful

[NeckguardUnbespoke]

Best reason?

So that's all the reasons why Britain being in the EU is good for Holland. Shame Holland can't vote, really.

[nearlyhellokitty]

Better link: brickwall.uk.com/our-work/eu-referendum/

[nearlyhellokitty]

acutally milly it would be more like giving your Mil 1pound to invest in her business and getting 10 pounds back.
here, I have a video, enjoy - twitter.com/BrickwallUK/status/743037137637900288?lang=en

[Millyonthefloss2]

Imagine giving your MIL your money and she sets a budget for you every week and tells you what to cook and where to buy from EXACTLY. And she gives half of it to your SIL to pay off her credit card bills and you never see it again.

[nosuchnumber]

[emotionsecho]

I quite like that nosuchnumber.

[nosuchnumber]

Best reason?
www.ad.nl/nieuws/oproep-aan-de-britten-please-don-t-leave-us~ab721864/

[NeckguardUnbespoke]

Questions also need to be asked about what lies behind...

The endless assumption that no-one does anything for other than bad motives is what has poisoned politics today. "Ah, they would say that" has become the critical insight of our times: anyone can say "of course he's a liar" and, sadly, it's often true. So it's a death spiral: most people assume anyone holding a position is doing so for bad motives, people who hold positions exaggerate them to try to cut through the noise, that's rightly seen as being in bad faith, communication breaks down entirely. No-one is willing to tell the truth, every statement is filtered through the desire to shape the message to make it believable, no-one will believe any message, because their experience is that politicians lie all the time.

One might call this "yes, Tony, you got your war by lying about WMD, and you your legacy of open borders by lying about A8 immigration, but the price is that no-one will believe anything that a politician says ever again". Even the Lib Dems were ruined by Clegg lying about tuition fees and Huhne lying about everything he ever said or did. Now we have a political class who wouldn't be able to shout "fire" in a burning building without being assumed to have shares in extinguishers, and a population who would sit there in a burning building because the politicians would should "fire", wouldn't they?

Thanks, Tony. Well done you.

[nearlyhellokitty]

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/14/the-guardian-view-on-the-leave-campaign-anatomy-of-another-elite

"Questions also need to be asked about what lies behind the flag-waving certainties that are currently being served up by so much of Fleet Street. Imperfect as it may be, Europe-wide cooperation is the best hope we have on tax avoidance. And the typical tax-paying patriot may wonder whether they are on the same side on that question as the non-domiciled Lord Rothermere, who owns the Mail, or the Barclay Brothers, who own the Telegraph and have major interests in the Channel Islands and a Monaco address. Then there is the Australian-born American national whose biggest-selling newspaper on Tuesday told its readers to “BeLEAVE in Britain”, the octogenarian mogul who once said his Eurosceptism was “easy” to grasp: “When I go into Downing Street they do what I say; when I go to Brussels they take no notice.” If the elite are those who get the access and the influence, then Rupert Murdoch can hardly be excluded, despite his enthusiastic – and sometimes useful – pursuit of the old establishment....A tight-knit group of economically motivated men are seeking to cut Britain off – so that they can get on with running the country in exactly the way that they please."

[nearlyhellokitty]

That was my point on NGOs.

Of course everyone has an agenda but I'm pointing out that Dyson and JCB 's support for leave is likely for reasons damaging for society

[nearlyhellokitty]

Or indeed that it's only men in suits in favour of remain