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Will I be able to get children perfomance in SATS YR1&6 by month of birth for the previous 5 years

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brownieMum · 29/09/2009 14:49

If so where can get the information. From the school or LEA and how do I request the information?

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singersgirl · 02/10/2009 17:29

I spent a happy 30 mins trawling the QCA site to see if there was any reference to standardisation in the marking schemes etc! I didn't really see how they could be as they're a measure of attainment (what you can do at the time of the assessment) rather than 'ability' (how much more or less you can do than most children your age).

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mrz · 02/10/2009 19:31

raise on line gives a breakdown of all results

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lljkk · 02/10/2009 19:34

"What if the teaching styles are not effective for summer born children?"

Um, and how should summer born children be taught, then? What is the most effective way to teach them, that might not also be the most effective way to teach everybody? I have a summer-born DS, so I have a vested interest in the answer (assuming there is one).

I thought that "on average" summer-borns were disadvantaged all the way up to University. So what? What am I going to do, go back in time and tell my younger self to get pregnant a different time a year?

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AlienBotanist · 02/10/2009 21:39

The summer-born disadvantage is largely ironed out by secondary school.

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piscesmoon · 02/10/2009 21:43

It used to be thought that summer borns catch up by year 5 but now it seems they are disadvantaged all the way through, particularly boys.( All summer borns are not disadvantaged-the accelerated system suits a lot of them.)
If there were answers people would be using them! The main disadvantage is the staggered starting time, so in many places they all start in September, they are still disadvantagedbecause they are only just 4 yrs and not ready.
The only answer is to have a more flexible year group where they could go up and down a year.

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AlienBotanist · 02/10/2009 22:12

Sorry pisces- there is new research? Do you have a link at all please?

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piscesmoon · 02/10/2009 22:27

Unfortunately not-I heard it on a course and can't remember where it came from. It showed a significant disadvantage in GCSEs for summer born, boys in particular. There were other interesting facts such as the England football team having all the players born between Sept and Dec! This is because they start school at 5 yrs and are bigger and stronger and so do better and get more confidence and feel good and success breeds success. (That is very general my Aug born DS has always been one of the best at football and Aug born DH got a scholarship to a selective private school at 11yrs (or in his case 10 yrs)

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singersgirl · 02/10/2009 22:56

The link I posted summarises a lot of the research into the disadvantages faced by summer-borns in the UK.

www.cambridgeassessment.org.uk/ca/digitalAssets/169664_Cambridge_Lit_Review_Birthdate_d3.pdf

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AlienBotanist · 02/10/2009 23:06

Thanks singers... but a lot of that research is actually very old- 1994
Research I conducted in late 1990s/early 2000 (15,000 cases) actually showed that by 11 season of birth didn't make that much of an impact, and at KS3 the biggest influences were gender and SEN status.

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piscesmoon · 03/10/2009 07:47

I would think that home background is the biggest influence.

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singersgirl · 04/10/2009 21:25

Do you have a link to your research, AlienBotanist?

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AlienBotanist · 08/10/2009 21:12

Sorry- it was internal research, using assessment data that we already had, so we couldn't include factors such as mother's education level, which I believe has been shown to have the biggest influence.

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singersgirl · 08/10/2009 23:21

Ah, well, that bodes well for my sons, then! Actually the IFS Born Matters data is more recent than the other study I linked to though it doesn't look at stuff like sporting achievement etc www.ifs.org.uk/docs/born_matters_summary.pdf

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