Will I be able to get children perfomance in SATS YR1&6 by month of birth for the previous 5 years

[brownieMum]

If so where can get the information. From the school or LEA and how do I request the information?

[mumeeee]

JUst ask the teacher how your DD is getting on. SATs don't tell you everything and here in Wales they have all been stopped.

[piscesmoon]

I can't see why you just don't ask her teacher her teacher how she is getting on.

SATs results aren't going to tell you much-summer birthdays, as a generality (there are always those who break the trend)will do worse than autumn birthdays-they are younger. Once you have the information I don't see what good it does. My DS1 did SATs at 7yrs,11yrs and 14yrs- DS2 did them at 6yrs,10yrs and 13 yrs. There is quite a difference.

[LilyBolero]

In a sample of one school it's not going to tell you much. My dd is August born, and is way ahead of her peers - she's just started Y2, having just turned 6, and is assessed as NC level 3++ already. Likewise there's a boy in the class who is Sept, and he is struggling to reach level 1.

Speak to the teacher.

[LilyBolero]

(meant to say that was in reading)

[brownieMum]

Why would I take her teachers words for it in this scenario if I can obtain the information? What if the teaching styles are not effective for summer born children? What if there is no closing gap for the specific school where my DD shown in past results/performance? I know there are reports out there but for me what matters most is actual data for my DD specific schools.

[seeker]

Why would you not take the teacher's word for it about how your dd is doing? And what would you do with the information about summer borns if you get it?

At our school we analyze the SATS results by practically every criteria you could think of - but not birth dates. We d look at birtd dates when assessing the Early Years stuff, but not SATS.

[LilyBolero]

I don't think there is a 'teaching style' for summer born children though - summer borns are not all the same! My dd would have gone nuts if she'd been either treated younger or held back for being a summer born. And some older children would benefit from a more 'softly softly' approach. I think all children are different, and the teacher's job is to make sure they are ALL benefitting from the teaching.

I honestly don't think you'll be able to get the info, or that it would do you very much good. If you are concerned that your dd is not catching up the older children as she should then you should raise it with initially the teacher, then the HT.

[LIZS]

Exactly Riven - dd is summerborn and thrives. It feels like you are on a mission to be proved right and teacher/school wrong. Maybe it just is n't the right school for her or you need to adjust your expectations for now ?

[lou031205]

SATS results are given after weighting by age. The 'raw score' is converted to an 'age standarised score'. So a summer born child will have to score less than an autumn born child to have the same achievement within SATS.

[piscesmoon]

'Why would I take her teachers words for it in this scenario if I can obtain the information? What if the teaching styles are not effective for summer born children? '

How strange! Whose word are you going to take if not the teachers? The teaching methods are just as effective for summer borns-they are just younger and you can't do anything about it. Some summer borns thrive, they are highly intelligent and they catch up and overtake-some struggle. I have a photo of my DS (Aug)birthday and his cousin (Sept birthday) when they were babies. My DS can't sit up, is completely breastfed and doesn't understand language. My nephew is walking, eating what the family eats and understands simple instructions. It is a huge difference and yet they are the same school year.
It has absolutely nothing to do with teaching style-the only thing that you could do, is make a case for staying down a year. My Aug born DS didn't have a reception class-he went straight into year 1. He wasn't ready for accelerated learning-if that is what you have in mind.
The teacher is the professional-talk to her.

[singersgirl]

Lou031205, I've never heard that before about SATs results and I'm sure it's not true generally.

I know it's not true at KS2; there is no age weighting. Papers are marked and scores are converted into levels. As far as I'm aware, since KS1 is teacher assessment now, there's no age weighting either. To attain a certain level you need to be able to do certain things - so you can't really age weight.

[InThisSequinBraYesYouOlaJordan]

You can standardise score SATS papers and therefore take into account the age of the child - you can do it with more or less any test - but I have never been asked to do it for any year group. The last school I taught at did not do optional SATS at the end of Y3,4,or 5, but did an NFER test, which parents were given a standardised score for, and reading and spelling ages, as well as a writing level.

I can't think that a school would have that much data available and quite frankly if they did then they are spending too much time on paperwork and not enough time on the children

[mrz]

Singergirl in the KS1 tests the results use age standardised scores.
The tests are marked then a grid is used to find the mark. one axis has "raw score" (number of correct answers) the other has "age in years and months" where the two cross gives the SAT test result.

[seeker]

But the KS1 tests aren't externally marked any more, are they? Are you sure about the age standardization? I'm sure they don't do that at our school!

[seeker]

and it would make no sense to age weight SATS - they are a simple test of attainment. Can you do this, this and this? Yes = Level 2B. No=Level 2C.

[piscesmoon]

The first exams that matter to a DC (unless trying to get into a selective school) are the GCSEs and age doesn't get taken into account. I don't think it matters at the SATs stage ,as seeker says, either they have a certain level or they haven't.

[lou031205]

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/education/775087-Do-SATs-level-include-any-adjustment-for-age

[singersgirl]

I'm sure they don't do any age-weighting at our school either. I'm a governor on the curriculum committee, too, so I hear about assessment all the time. Since the KS1 SATs grades are teacher ratings now, there's no score as such to check into a grid.

Anyhow, slight hijack there..

[piscesmoon]

The only real use is for putting into sets for subjects. For example the secondary school takes the yr6 SATs results-all they want to know is the DCs attainment-it would be no help to have the level raised because of an age handicap because they couldn't cope with the work and would have to go down a level. All through my school days the report had the age of the DC and the average age of the class, but it wasn't for anything other than interest.

[charmander]

The level for SAts 1,2a 3b etc is not standardised by age.
It is possible to take the results of individual tests e.g. reading and get an age standardised score as described already.

[seeker]

lou - that thread seems to be say thet SATS aren't age weighted - CATS are. Is that where the confusion is happening?

[mrz]

I've only got the English SATs marking book at home but definitely has Age Standardised Scores

[Feenie]

You can get an age standardised score from the raw score, but the teacher assessment sublevels reported at end of KS1 are not age weighted.