Anyone else in South Australia? New lockdown - no exercise outside the house alloed

[bluetongue]

I must admit I was shocked at how strict this lockdown is. Most of it I can live with but I must admit I’m struggling that we’re not allowed to leave the house apart from grocery shopping - even for exercise or dog walking. Yes, they’ve told us it’s only for six days but it’s hard to know who to believe. I’m not sure I feel comfortable with this level of restriction.

The government is disappointed with the panic buying but what do they expect when we can now be stopped and questioned by Police any time we leave the house?

[Takethereigns]

Tassie, NT, WA and possibly Queensland closed to SA on Monday before the panic about this lie happened. They only discovered the positive case of the kitchen staff at the second hotel after the testing all medi-vac hotel people. The link to the pizza place wasn’t established until Tuesday/ Wednesday morning.

[TheHoneyFactory]

@bluetongue

I’m a bit confused about the modelling they wheeled out at the press conference today. Is that what was happening with or without the pizza guy lie? There also seemed to be some back-pedalling about whether the lockdown still would have happened even if pizza guy had told the truth. Now apparently they needed the extra time to let their contract tracing catch up

i was under the impression that they worked on the lockdown giving time for contact tracers to catch up.

im not sure, (but personally not bothered, they shut us down and opened back up pretty swiftly when the situation became clearer... honestly our area has fires/power outages that are more disruptive last christmas was a shit show, but thats just me!)

[TheHoneyFactory]

To be fair iam hoping owner/employer of the pizza shop will be fined to fuckery for having dodgy employment practices, i wonder if a large part of the police investigation is more focused on the employer rather than the employee. regardless, it will come out eventually.
the whole situation is shit really and highlights how crap and vulnerable a casual based workforce makes people.

[bluetongue]

I’m a bit confused about the modelling they wheeled out at the press conference today. Is that what was happening with or without the pizza guy lie? There also seemed to be some back-pedalling about whether the lockdown still would have happened even if pizza guy had told the truth. Now apparently they needed the extra time to let their contract tracing catch up

[squeekums]

The borders closed before this all came out, that’s all I’m saying.
They closed on the basis of his lie and what impression it gave about the strain he supposedly caught. So other states acted fast on basis of his lie and what info they got from our officials, again based on his lie.
His stories didnt add up so they investigated even further and found out the truth, only then to realize that shit there isnt some other strain.

If the system in place means that officials can lock down what 2 million people on the lie of one guy that is the fault of the system in place. It should have considered the possibility that people may not be entirely honest and have something in place to check and then double check and the triple check.
That is the fault of the officials.
This will happen again and again if countries pursue a elimination strategy, it is the main problem with it and you have to have procedures to deal with people not being entirely truthful or officials will be over reacting like this over and over again.
And you create a perverse disincentive for anyone anywhere to ever get tested again. Why would you when you can end up people demanding your deportation!

His lie gave the impression of new strain, a more contagious one hence the fast action, if he didnt lie, it would have been situation corona normal.
Well he can be deported under visa rules which he was breaking regardless of corona so........ screw him and MOST would expect he deported for breaking his visa.
He apparently on a student visa which only allows a set amount of work hours, he was cash in hand working above those hours, which is why he and pizza bar lied and in turn fucked the whole state.
Plus given how angry people are, he safer being deported, there is ZERO sympathy for him where i am in SA

[echt]

Over in Vic we can go mask-free outdoors and alone, always have a mask to whip on as and when for SD, from midnight.

Bloody great. High levels of conformity where I am, but everyone would love to not have to wear one, especially as it's been a very warm spring.

[bluetongue]

It was so good to go for a drive this morning and grab a bacon and egg McMuffin without worrying the Police could pull me over at any time. Thought the Maccas line might be huge but it was very quick. These situations really make you appreciate the little things in life

[psychomath]

@MarshaBradyo as I understand it he caught the virus from a pizza shop and told contact tracers he'd only visited the shop to pick up a pizza he'd ordered, when actually he worked shifts there. Not sure why he didn't want to tell the truth, but because he said he'd caught it during a brief visit everyone thought it must be some new super contagious strain, so they locked down the whole region instead of just isolating direct contacts as they normally would. That's what I've gathered, anyway.

[sashagabadon]

Check their stories, explain the significance of what they are saying so they are aware of the implications of not telling the truth. Reassuring them that their livelihood and their immigration status is not in jeopardy but that they are really helping to tell the truth. Treating them as equal human beings (witnesses rather than potential criminals) so they don’t feel the need to lie in the first place. Putting out public information with a carrot rather than stick message so that people are unafraid of coming forward should they test positive and are happy to share their contacts and be truthful as they are not afraid of the consequences. Financial assistance for those isolating so that their are not financial implications for them or their friends ( if their friends are potentially close contacts) Publi information to take away the stigma. Loads of things.
This guy was scared / worried to tell the exact truth. The officials must ask themselves why and rectify that going forward or this will happen again.

[echt]

And you have to have procedures to deal with people not being entirely truthful

How would that work?

[sashagabadon]

@squeekums

*He wouldn’t have known the idiot officials would trigger a lockdown*
Nah, more selfish than That.
He lied cos he was apparently on a student visa and working more hours than allowed and off books. He could be deported and honestly, he should be, screw him. He has destroyed thousands of people's plans, set us months back in restrictions. We can't even go look at a house we looking at buying cos every state has imposed quarantine measures on SA travellers
He is Adelaides most wanted right now, even 150km away, people are angry. He safer being deported

If the system in place means that officials can lock down what 2 million people on the lie of one guy that is the fault of the system in place. It should have considered the possibility that people may not be entirely honest and have something in place to check and then double check and the triple check.
That is the fault of the officials.
This will happen again and again if countries pursue a elimination strategy, it is the main problem with it and you have to have procedures to deal with people not being entirely truthful or officials will be over reacting like this over and over again.
And you create a perverse disincentive for anyone anywhere to ever get tested again. Why would you when you can end up people demanding your deportation!

[Bunniesitmustbebunnies]

The borders closed before this all came out, that’s all I’m saying.

This guys lie was the final straw for calling the lockdown.
As it is, the cleaner who started the outbreak is believed to have caught it indirectly.

What they know about the strain is that it is a further generation on from what was already in Adelaide.

It spread to more of the cleaners family and friends than had typically been seen before.
( although it could be due to being a particularly close knit family).

It’s easy to criticise the knee jerk reaction to call a lockdown and i by no means agree with all aspects of it, but the mistakes other places have made has been reacting too slow.

The guy who lied was a fool to believe he wouldn’t be found out, but he couldn’t have foreseen this happening. He could have easily denied all knowledge of the pizza shop and we would have been looking at an unknown transmission.

Regardless of what this guy done, the state borders would still be shut to most state.

[squeekums]

@Bunniesitmustbebunnies

In fairness to the guy; the state restrictions were down to the new outbreaks, not the lockdown.
His visa runs out in December anyway. If he has breached his visa conditions they won’t renew it.

A lockdown that should never have happened and wouldn't have
But this fuckwit caused it by lying and giving the impression there was more risk than there was, to save his own ass to stay here knowing he broke his visa. He gave the impression there was a new strain that just popped up with fast incubation, hence the hard fast action
With the level of risk there actually is, the borders wouldn't have closed.

Apparently the pizza bar had police guard last night as threats were made to burn it to ground.

[Bunniesitmustbebunnies]

In fairness to the guy; the state restrictions were down to the new outbreaks, not the lockdown.
His visa runs out in December anyway. If he has breached his visa conditions they won’t renew it.

[squeekums]

He wouldn’t have known the idiot officials would trigger a lockdown
Nah, more selfish than That.
He lied cos he was apparently on a student visa and working more hours than allowed and off books. He could be deported and honestly, he should be, screw him. He has destroyed thousands of people's plans, set us months back in restrictions. We can't even go look at a house we looking at buying cos every state has imposed quarantine measures on SA travellers
He is Adelaides most wanted right now, even 150km away, people are angry. He safer being deported

[bluetongue]

As for pay or compensation for time locked down it’s complicated. I’m one of the lucky ones. Government worker who won’t be out of pocket although I’m not sure what sort of leave I can use (hopefully special Covid leave we have access to).

There are various federal government payments but many businesses and employees were no longer receiving these due to most businesses running pretty close to normal. There is currently no compensation for things like all the supplies restaurants had to throw out.

The government has set up a special Police taskforce to investigate. Not sure if there’s anything more sinister going on it’s just a bit of government butt covering. We shall see.

[sashagabadon]

@TyrannyOfDistance

Suspect the guy who lied was working a cash job or possibly had a visa restricting his working hours (for fear of detention/deportation). Suddenly, we're back we started - people in insecure work who are afraid to not go to work, can't phone in sick, for whatever reason.

It must have seemed easier for a moment. Then they shut an entire state down and locked everyone in.

Not excusing it, but perhaps hard to get out of, once you've started the chain?

Yes exactly. Don’t blame the poor guy for lying when he probably had no idea of the implications and thought he would be in trouble, blame the officials for not checking out his story, not explaining the consequences of what he is saying and reassuring him it would not have an impact on his tax / immigration status.
Anyway I guess this is a massive lesson learned and another reason that goes to show how hard it is to get track and trace right, people don’t always tell the truth!

[sashagabadon]

I am sure he was off the books. Nonetheless locking down thousands of people is a huge huge thing to do. You would think they would check with the pizza store if the guy that “caught Covid”from buying a pizza at their store actually really did what he said he did.
As the implications are huge if he caught while just popping in to buy a pizza and not so huge if he actually worked there and caught it off another guy that also worked there. I wonder if no one in authority explained the drastic implications of lying to either the pizza shop or the guy or the security guard for that matter who was obviously protecting his mate. Would have saved a whole load of hassle

[TheHoneyFactory]

@sashagabadon

So you lock down thousands of people, costing hundreds of thousands of pounds, disrupting everyone’s lives and that is somehow quicker and easier than asking the pizza shop if any of the people that caught caught Covid from them, actually worked in the pizza shop making pizzas. That would take 2 mins. It is extraordinary that no one thought to do that. The very definition of a cock up surely?
And that’s on the officials not the guy that lied who presumably had no idea what a big deal it all was because no one told him!

rumour is he was off the books - paid cash in hand hence the non disclosure (from the business and the individual) and why it took time to link back his close contact to other cases.

[TheHoneyFactory]

most people got "locked down" for working 2 days (1 1/2 days no exercise). those that are having to isolate for 14 days have access to $1800 worth of govt (state and fed) covid payments - not ideal but better than nothing.

this sort of situation might continue to be the norm in Aus/NZ for a while yet. if you have no community transmission - what do you do? letting it rip is not a option.
world beating contact tracing (lol) takes time - as the Nicola said today - intial interview in this situation is more along the lines of identifying do they work or have links in aged care/prisons, then they keep going round to find links... but it takes time

[MarshaBradyo]

@bluetongue

Still, it is more than slightly concerning how we can all be put on house arrest based on taking the word of low paid security guards instead of actual science.

Op what did he lie about?

I’ve read the posts but think I’m missing the obvious part

[TyrannyOfDistance]

Suspect the guy who lied was working a cash job or possibly had a visa restricting his working hours (for fear of detention/deportation). Suddenly, we're back we started - people in insecure work who are afraid to not go to work, can't phone in sick, for whatever reason.

It must have seemed easier for a moment. Then they shut an entire state down and locked everyone in.

Not excusing it, but perhaps hard to get out of, once you've started the chain?

[coldspaghettio]

that is somehow quicker and easier than asking the pizza shop if any of the people that caught caught Covid from them, actually worked in the pizza shop making pizzas. That would take 2 mins.

Are you serious? Jesus I despair.

[sashagabadon]

So you lock down thousands of people, costing hundreds of thousands of pounds, disrupting everyone’s lives and that is somehow quicker and easier than asking the pizza shop if any of the people that caught caught Covid from them, actually worked in the pizza shop making pizzas. That would take 2 mins. It is extraordinary that no one thought to do that. The very definition of a cock up surely?
And that’s on the officials not the guy that lied who presumably had no idea what a big deal it all was because no one told him!

[TheHoneyFactory]

He wouldn’t have known the idiot officials would trigger a lockdown

no he didnt, but those "idiots" were doing what they could with the information that they had at the time. they were trying to prevent a large outbreak and avoid a prolonged shut down (and illness and death). we ve all seen what Victoria went through - why wouldnt we expect our elected officals to try and do everything they could do avoid that? (whilst the rest of Aus gets to see family/enjoy the summer)