Has anyone seen this??

[Mytho]

I got sent this on WhatsApp.
I've read the draft proposal and mainly they want to authorise people who have no previous training to be able to give a vaccine that will be unlicensed. They will give them limited training. And the person giving the vaccine will be exempt from personal liability. They want to outsource the supply of the vaccines to wholesaler who have no experience with this. Vaccines need to be transported in very specific conditions to be effective, so by giving this contract to inexperienced/ unlicensed wholesalers there may be issues.with the vaccine.
I've attached the full message I received.

What do you think? Have the government tried to sneak it through or are we just not the target audience for the consultant?




Please share this and make sure you contribute your opinions! Please don’t IGNORE IT.

After 18th Sept, the Government are going to say they 'consulted' the public and, because there were no objections, then we all want unlicenced vaccines and we are happy for non-medical staff to administer them and for them to be mass promoted in our country with no public ability to ask for compensation if the vaccine is harmful or we get damaged.
They will say "you agreed to it" ( even though no one saw the government's request to give their opinion as, of course, this request is not being seen by many ).

Please don’t fall into apathy and then complain when it’s too late.

NB - click on the link below 👇 and then look for the blue ‘respond online’ under "Ways to respond" ... click on the words to go to the page to give your opinions on each/all aspects of the law they want to pass.

www.gov.uk/government/consultations/distributing-vaccines-and-treatments-for-covid-19-and-flu

[knittingaddict]

I was about to post to say what does ‘un-licensed’ even mean in this context?? People will parrot that about now without any idea what it actually equates to and put people off getting vaccinated.

Completely agree with this Ethelfleda .

The people spreading this stuff are behaving so irresponsibly. Lives are at stake.

[millymae]

I thought it was some sort of scam at first but it definitely isn’t. It’s a Government consultation document on it’s website that has been sent to ........ “a specialist audience, made up of people and organisations that we would expect have a detailed knowledge of the legislative and practical context in which these proposals sit – and also of the likely impact of the measures. It is also an audience generally used to discussing draft legislation without having all of the detail explained”....... All that being said comments are apparently welcome from anyone, but of course anyone wouldn’t necessarily know about the consultation unless they get wind of it from someone else, so I’m grateful to the OP for putting it out there.
Being honest I don’t know what to think. This Government is good at spinning and I can see where they are coming from but whether they can trusted is another thing altogether. I do know that at one time, and may be even now, unlicensed drugs were used for children and in certain other situations, but these are drugs that have already been tried and approved for other applications. In the case of the vaccine I take it this would not be the case and whilst I’m afraid of the consequences of Covid if I get it I won’t be rushing to be vaccinated until I am assured that what I’m being vaccinated with is absolutely safe. I’m not quite as concerned about the proposal that the vaccine could be administered by those having had only limited training as giving an injection isn’t rocket science once you know what you are doing but I certainly wouldn’t be champing at the bit to do it even with the protections against litigation that will supposedly be put in place. This government does not have a good record for doing things it says it will.

[MoreHairyThanScary]

This is a positive measure. In my community nursing team Band 3 staff give insulin's etc, by opening this up they would be able to be part of the vaccination team too. They are already trained and carry adrenaline in case of anaphylaxis.

[Sunshinegirl82]

Licensing is currently undertaken on a Europe wide basis. As we are still part of the EU for this element at present my understanding is that this new law allows the U.K. to administer the vaccine (if convinced it is safe) without having to wait for the European licensing agency to approve.

I don't think it is something to be particularly concerned about on the face of it.

[intoxicatedbee]

I have had to buy syringes off the internet and learn to inject myself with my B12, as my GP have stopped doing them due to the pandemic. I will have no probs doing a vaccination

[Ethelfleda]

@GoldenOmber

‘Unlicensed’ doesn’t mean ‘we bought this off Del-Boy Trotter and we don’t know what it is’. It means in this case that they can authorise it for emergency use for some people before it’s gone through full licensing, but after it’s been through lots and lots of very rigorous testing.

Please don’t automatically trust anything you read on WhatsApp. People are scared and don’t trust the government but that doesn’t mean any scary thing you hear about the government is true and going to get us all killed.

Thanks for this post.
I was about to post to say what does ‘un-licensed’ even mean in this context?? People will parrot that about now without any idea what it actually equates to and put people off getting vaccinated.

[DamitJanet]

Perfectly reasonable for non-medical (not untrained) individuals to give the vaccine and training will be provided, they’re not going to hand out needles to randoms off the street.

Unlicensed doesn’t mean untested or unregulated, just that it can go through and emergency process, because of the urgency, before it goes through the very lengthy official licensing process.

[YummyJamDoughnut]

The "untrained" people thing doesn't concern me. They can be trained pretty easily. Giving an injection isn't that hard- people give them to themselves or family members all the time.

[YummyJamDoughnut]

‘Unlicensed’ doesn’t mean ‘we bought this off Del-Boy Trotter and we don’t know what it is’. It means in this case that they can authorise it for emergency use for some people before it’s gone through full licensing, but after it’s been through lots and lots of very rigorous testing

This. I'm not sure how long full licensing takes, but it looks like a fairly lengthy process: www.gov.uk/guidance/apply-for-a-licence-to-market-a-medicine-in-the-uk
It doesn't mean that the vaccine isn't safe or that they skimped clinical testing.

[Aroundtheworldin80moves]

Giving injections isn't rocket science. People with various medical conditions inject themselves frequently.

[awesomeaircraft]

Apologies, just seen the gov link. Will go and read it.

Unlicensed: this is an issue.

Administration: depends if it is an injection or a nose spray.

[Eileithyiaa]

I work in the regulation of pharmaceutical distribution and I can tell you for a fact (I say fact because I know how this vaccine is intended to be distributed) that this vaccine will not touch any part of the "un-controlled" legal pharmaceutical supply chain.

Any transportation involved will be regulated to absolute death and only through MHRA licensed distribution logistics.

As for unqualified people administering the vaccine, they will ensure the proper training has been given. It's not a complicated process.

[Lucindainthesky]

I think it's great they're wanting to train more people to give vaccines. It's not like they're pulling people off the streets to become brain surgeons.

Once a vaccine is available the quicker they can get it out to the masses the better. If you don't want it move along. I'll be first in the queue .

[awesomeaircraft]

YABU. WhatsApp is not a good source of news. That is exactly the way conspiracy theories work.

Place theory A on social media. 90% of recipients ignore, 10% bite. Now that 10% become ambassadors for theory A and you have nothing to do. They go recruit/educate another group and any explanation by experts is now framed as a confirmation theory A is right because "the establishment denies it".

Soon you have a sizeable portion of your population convinced theory A is the new truth.

[mrshoho]

I imagine it is health professionals with knowledge and experience whom the government wish to consult and make comment to their proposals. I don't believe they are sneaking anything through.

[knittingaddict]

Surely it just means that they will train people to give vaccines. It's not that difficult to train people to do this. I have no medical training at all and had to give my husband daily injections for a month post op. It's not like they are getting randoms to take blood or something.

[GoldenOmber]

‘Unlicensed’ doesn’t mean ‘we bought this off Del-Boy Trotter and we don’t know what it is’. It means in this case that they can authorise it for emergency use for some people before it’s gone through full licensing, but after it’s been through lots and lots of very rigorous testing.

Please don’t automatically trust anything you read on WhatsApp. People are scared and don’t trust the government but that doesn’t mean any scary thing you hear about the government is true and going to get us all killed.

[knittingaddict]

"Please share". Instantly know it's fake news.

[SteeperThanHell]

@WholemealTrapeze

The expanded workforce is to include pharmacists and occupational health staff.

But they are proposing this - direct quote from //www.gov.uk:

A temporary authorisation of the supply of an unlicensed vaccine could be given by the UK’s licensing authority under regulation 174 of the Human Medicines Regulations

That is unlicensed.

Pharmacists have been giving vaccinations for years.

[Mytho]

@AriettyHomily

Why on earth would you believe something you received on whatsapp?

I didn't .

I went on the government website and checked myself.
Then I read the proposals in detail, before coming to a conclusion.

[conkersarebonkers]

Have those saying "fake news" missed the part about it being detailed on the gov website?

www.gov.uk/government/consultations/distributing-vaccines-and-treatments-for-covid-19-and-flu

www.gov.uk/government/consultations/distributing-vaccines-and-treatments-for-covid-19-and-flu/consultation-document-changes-to-human-medicine-regulations-to-support-the-rollout-of-covid-19-vaccines

[AriettyHomily]

Why on earth would you believe something you received on whatsapp?

[JS87]

All "trained" professionals were once "untrained".

[JS87]

I really doubt you need to wait a year to see full side effects. That is just being cautious but there is a very tiny chance that side effects would appear after that amount of time. If you go by that reasoning then you must also realise that it is also documented that quite a high proportion of people with covid are having side effects including permanent lung and heart damage. The only possible long-term side effect you might get from a vaccine (and by the way this is very unlikely) would probably be autoimmune mediated and viral infections themselves are far more likely to cause those side effects than the vaccine.
I suspect that by adding the unlicensed bit they are allowed previously untrained healthcare professionals to be involved in administration of vaccines for clinical trials. They are not allowed to administer an unlicensed vaccine to the general population unless it is within a clinical trial.

[RichardMarxisinnocent]

The outline states the workforce will be given training but will it be adequate or just another rush job?

I can't seem this bit being a problem. Every year at my NHS Trust various non-medical people are trained to give the flu vaccine, the Trust puts a notice out asking for volunteer peer vaccinators.