If vaccine what would be order list of distribution

[scotlandg]

In terms of people what would think think maybe the roll out eligibility order?
Do you think people in the vulnerable but not critically vulnerable would be on the list to receive ?
Thank you

[cornish009]

Can we stop with the not using vulnerable as guinea pigs line?

PuzzledObserver Can I ask you why I cannot say it? I hope I haven't been rude or unkind, and it is something I and my family are genuinely concerned about? Knowing we will have to continue to shield, not be able to see our family, go out etc unless my husband has a fast tracked vaccine is terrifying us. If it is a Mumsnet rule not to say so, then I will of course not post about it again.

Maybe our 10th week of shielding is getting to us, and so I am sorry if I have unwittingly upset you, or anyone.

[cakeisalwaystheanswer]

Yes I have recently posted these figures on another thread and CBA to post them again, just search on my posts, but I know Germany very well as I report on the economy for work. It is a very white population, the biggest minority is Turkish guest workers who retain Turkish citizenship and live quite separately. The mass immigration of Syrians isn't included in current surveys but they are very young men and unlikely to be affected by covid.
I do acknowledge I am being goady and rude and I do apologise for that but it is on purpose. I feel that the higher risk to the BAME community is underplayed in the press for their own agenda. Belgium, Netherlands and France also have a bigger ethnic mix and have higher death rates.
I think it may be difficult for the BAME community to put themselves forward in instances like this so I am trying to provoke some kind of a debate so that the impact on them is at least considered.

[GreyishDays]

@cakeisalwaystheanswer do you have recent figures for the ethnic makeup of UK and Germany?

[PuzzledObserver]

Can we stop with the not using vulnerable as guinea pigs line? The reason for prioritising vulnerable people would be because the risk which the virus presents to them is so much higher, and therefore the probability of them personally benefiting from having the vaccine vastly outweighs the risk of a potential adverse reaction to the vaccine.

[MashedPotatoBrainz]

@MashedPotatoBrainz - you are appropriately named.

How rude are you. I asked you a question in good faith because I genuinely couldn't find the 'very obvious ethic differences' you refer to about between Germany and the UK. Clearly you couldn't find them either hence your personal attack to try and cover your ignorance.

[ChaBishkoot]

Children won’t get the vaccine as it is not being tested on children. This is an adult vaccine. A vaccine for children will be made at a later stage. And some of the current vaccines being tested won’t be suitable for children.

No steps are being skipped. Nothing is being rushed. It is going through the SAME process as all other vaccines. Except for the fact that a crazy amount of resources has gone into this and this is a global effort.

It may well be that the different vaccines using different technologies are appropriate for different sections of the population.

[Stuckforthefourthtime]

Why all these people rushing to vaccinate kids?
I'm very pro-vaccine but would be extremely reluctant to give a rushed vaccine to my healthy children with incredibly low risk from coronavirus. For my parents, with multiple risk factors (BAME, blood pressure etc), the benefit likely outweighs any risk. It also seems very unfair to put low-risk children, who may or may not spread it but certainly aren't super-spreaders, above carers who are at risk or these who live with those who are at risk but can't be vaccinated.

[MinteeFresh]

I dont think the over 70s who are most of the shielded would/could be first sadly as vaccines are notoriously trickier in this age group as the immune response is much less efficient/predictable (why over 70s have a different flu vaccine each year) so they may well wait a bit longer until its been rolled out amongst say 50-60s.

[StrawberryBlondeStar]

Healthcare workers (also so they can then be tasked to do a mass vaccine programme)

Shielded group
Vulnerable group

Someone talked about there being 30 million vaccines.

25 million vaccines are given for flu in the U.K. will depend if children are spreaders. If they are then I’m sure kids will be in that group as well.

If not they may also do all over 50s.

[Nameofchanges]

I agree with Aridane. Vaccinate in order of death rate.

[Nameofchanges]

Why would we vaccinate key workers before other workers in contact with the public?

[ifonly4]

Frontline keyworkers first, then other keyworker who've had constant contact with patients/customers (as they've had to work through this and had to mentally deal with increased exposure and it's proved we need their services), then shielding and elderly. I fit into the second category, I'm sure I will have the vaccine, but as others have said I wouldn't want to the the first in line personally as I want to be sure the risks are minimal.

[Aridane]

I would like to think 1) extremely vulnerable first, then 2) tjlhose with the highest death rates - eg bus drivers, construction workers, social care workers (not doctors and nurses who statistically have no higher death rate than the general populace), then 3) the elderly / the vulnerable

[cakeisalwaystheanswer]

@MashedPotatoBrainz - you are appropriately named.

[BigChocFrenzy]

A real hot potato to consider prioritisation wrt race and sex

In any case, a woman could just declare herself male if she wanted to be vaccinated earlier
and a white person could claim to be mixed race

[Disquieted1]

These are very tough questions.
Based on numbers of deaths, one could argue that males should take precedence over females. Or younger BAME over slightly older Caucasians.

I fear though that those with the sharpest elbows will get it over those more in need, as with every other aspect of life.

[okiedokieme]

My guess is front line nhs & carers, key workers who are public facing, the extremely vulnerable then the more generally vulnerable including all adults who get the flu vaccine for free, then people who work outside the home, then the rest of the adults ... I doubt it will be licenced for children at first.

[BigChocFrenzy]

So, imo:

care staff & NHS - to avoid infecting the vulnerable
care home residents
others aged 75+
then aged 60+
then people with underlying conditions
then aged 40+
.....
last = children / under 20 - they are at such low risk and seem to be less likely to spread

[BigChocFrenzy]

"ignores the very obvious ethnic differences"

COVID is a disease predominantly of the very elderly
but
BAME people are still a very low % of care home residents or the 75+ group

ABout 83% of those who died have been white, so about the same as the general population

Of the comparatively small number of young or middle-aged people who died,
there are indeed a higher % of BAME people than in the population,
but
nowhere near enough numbers in absolute terms to explain the very high COVID deaths and total deaths from all causes during this period in the UK

[MashedPotatoBrainz]

I am appalled by the suggestions on this thread but not surprised as the loony liberal press blames the govt for the difference in our death rate v Germany and ignores the very obvious ethnic differences.

What very obvious ethnic differences are you referring to? I've googled it and all I can see points to a very similar ethnic make up.

[covidmonkey]

I am not in hurry to get vaccine that hasn't had years of research. Who wants it can have it. I think again in two years time.

[MilkTrayLimeBarrel]

I think it would go:

NHS and front line staff
Other key workers of all types
Vulnerable
Then go down in age, starting with the over 70s, then 60s, 50s, etc.

[cakeisalwaystheanswer]

I am appalled by the suggestions on this thread but not surprised as the loony liberal press blames the govt for the difference in our death rate v Germany and ignores the very obvious ethnic differences.

It is known that covid affects BAME people disproportionately so it is them who should be prioritised if a vaccine becomes available. A black 28 year old pregnant nurse died not because she was a nurse, because she wasn't at work, she died because she was black. Yes I am ageist but this life mattered more to me than the loss of a terminally ill 94 year old with 6 months to live.

[Alex50]

I wouldn’t want to be one of the first to take it and why risk children taking it when the virus is of such little risk to them.

[cornish009]

MashedPotatoBrainz - cross posted but yes I agree with you. I also feel that during these tragic times the loss of life of someone in the shielded group will not be deemed as serious/upsetting as those not being shielded. So guinea pigs for sure!